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Big grown men

Sitting on a tree.
K.i.s.s.i.n.g.






Ugh.

 

[Aceofspades]

*Most of the time, yes.

Personally speaking, I like how Microsoft has always focused on pristine visual quality with its generations of consoles.

I always feel like I'm making some kind of visual sacrifice/trade-off to play Sony games. Whereas Microsoft always seem to offer a bridge to a more PC-like experience without having to power up my rig. As someone who prefers pristine image quality, I really want to see Sony focus on fixing this for the PS5.

Pure comedy here. Now the barrage of 720p games on Xbox one is pristine IQ while poor PS4 running at full HD is a visual sacrifice.

 

[ethomaz]

I already do this with Xbox One streaming to my laptop. So what's the difference here?

Stream to others device and not only Windows 10.

 

[Daniel Thomas MacInnes]

So what? These machines have more horsepower than anybody wants or could possibly use. What's the point?

 

[ethomaz]

So what? These machines have more horsepower than anybody wants or could possibly use. What's the point?

To be fair there is not changes to the be opposite... these machines doesn't have power enough

AMD's GPUs are still too hungry in power for the performance delivered... that is a big issue for a console form factor.

 

[ph33rknot]

This reminds me of when polygon insisted the xbone was more powerful than the ps4

 

[LittleBusters]

I don't see that it matters, Xbox has better games yo.

 

[NickFire]

I don't see that it matters, Xbox has better games yo.

Oooooh, you done did it now!

 

[LittleBusters]

Oooooh, you done did it now!

IKR? Sony ponies will get into a tizzy but I feel XBox has much better diversity of games. The only thing Sony has right now is bigger AAA titles which kinda all look the same yo.

 

[ethomaz]

IKR? Sony ponies will get into a tizzy but I feel XBox has much better diversity of games. The only thing Sony has right now is bigger AAA titles which kinda all look the same yo.

Both in diversity, quality and quantity Sony has more...

 

[meanspartan]

This reminds me of when polygon insisted the xbone was more powerful than the ps4

It really was weird how Polygon seemed so anti-Ps4 at that time lol. Forgot about that.

 

[FranXico]

Both in diversity, quality and quantity Sony has more...

Don't bother. They are just kids trolling for the sake of it.

 

[demigod]

Life is a walkie-talkie, Gears is a walkie talkie. Nearly all games are... so you make no sense. It's a stupid term that shows how bitter some people are towards PlayStation because they can't gloat about their own games.

MS wishes they had a walkie talkie game, it's why they created a new studio, The Initiative. It's also why they paid for a time exclusive with Tomb Raider. Let them make fun of walkie talkie games, it sells more than Gears, Halo, Forza.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It really was weird how Polygon seemed so anti-Ps4 at that time lol. Forgot about that.

Having people like Gies and getting a massive chunk of money from Microsoft to produce your silly website documentary (and probably line pockets as well) will do that for you.

 

[Shangounchained]

Y

*Most of the time, yes.

However, cheaply done "remasters"/ports on the PS4 in the early period to middle of this console generation suffered greatly from non-existent levels of anisotropic filtering. In the same games, the Xbone versions had crisp, clean textures. Whilst the PS4 equivalent textures looked like they came from a Dreamcast game from the early 2000s. As a former PC gamer, smudgy floor textures a meter away from my feet offend me greatly, so I "upgraded" to the Xbone versions for those games affected.

Personally speaking, I like how Microsoft has always focused on pristine visual quality with its generations of consoles. I love Playstation but Sony has *always* suffered in this area (PS1's forced dithering + "polygon jitter", PS2's emotional jaggies, PS3's horrid GPU + vaseline smear post-process AA, PS4's 2002 levels of anisotropic filtering, PS4 Pro with fake 4k and sub-standard image quality).

I always feel like I'm making some kind of visual sacrifice/trade-off to play Sony games. Whereas Microsoft always seem to offer a bridge to a more PC-like experience without having to power up my rig. As someone who prefers pristine image quality, I really want to see Sony focus on fixing this for the PS5.

your simply an idiot, numbers don't lie PS4 is 1.8 teraflops xbone is 1.3 teraflops PS4 pro is 4 teraflops Xbox one X is 6 teraflops so stop creating a stupid utopia in Ur head about xbone having better textures than ps4, get over it. 360 was great xbone is pure manure shit

 

[ethomaz]

Y your simply an idiot, numbers don't lie PS4 is 1.8 teraflops xbone is 1.3 teraflops PS4 pro is 4 teraflops Xbox one X is 6 teraflops so stop creating a stupid utopia in Ur head about xbone having better textures than ps4, get over it. 360 was great xbone is pure manure shit

The fact MS copied the same design of PS4/Pro to create X shows how bad the Xbox One design was and how it suffers to play actual games.

If you put in a upgrade way it should be: PS4 >> Pro >> X
Xbox One is nowhere to be found... it born and it will be dead alone.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

IKR? Sony ponies will get into a tizzy but I feel XBox has much better diversity of games. The only thing Sony has right now is bigger AAA titles which kinda all look the same yo.

This is some school yard level shit.

 

[ph33rknot]

Don't bother. They are just kids trolling for the sake of it.

Or they have different taste in games that you

 

[FranXico]

Or they have different taste in games that you

Does this sound like a respectful and sincere disagreement purely based on different tastes?

IKR? Sony ponies will get into a tizzy but I feel XBox has much better diversity of games. The only thing Sony has right now is bigger AAA titles which kinda all look the same yo.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

IKR? Sony ponies will get into a tizzy but I feel XBox has much better diversity of games. The only thing Sony has right now is bigger AAA titles which kinda all look the same yo.

What is a "Sony Pony?"

Is there a Sony Pony Pro I can buy?

 

[ph33rknot]

Does this sound like a respectful and sincere disagreement purely based on different tastes?

It was childish but my point stands

 

[CyberPanda]

It was childish but my point stands

Just put that person on ignore. It's best not to feed trolls imo.

 

[FranXico]

It was childish but my point stands

Well, so does mine. It was not "just different tastes". It was a provocation.

 

[ph33rknot]

Well, so does mine. It was not "just different tastes". It was a provocation.

Lol i guess if you want to take it like that

 

[FranXico]

Lol i guess if you want to take it like that

I'm not the one who responded to him. I'm not "taking it" like that.
I guess he's not the only troll around here then. Thank you for your wonderful insight, have a nice day.

 

[demigod]

What is a "Sony Pony?"

Is there a Sony Pony Pro I can buy?

A banned member, that's what.

 

[ph33rknot]

[QUOTE="FranXico, post: 254546011, not "taking it" like that.
I guess he's not the only troll around here then. Thank you for your wonderful insight, have a nice day.
[/QUOTE]as some one else said if it bothers you that much put them on ignore bra

 

[ResilientBanana]

The fact MS copied the same design of PS4/Pro to create X shows how bad the Xbox One design was and how it suffers to play actual games.

If you put in a upgrade way it should be: PS4 >> Pro >> X
Xbox One is nowhere to be found... it born and it will be dead alone.

I don't think changing to GDDR5 and putting a 580 in there is really copying. They released At two different price points.

 

[Mod of War]

IKR? Sony ponies will get into a tizzy but I feel XBox has much better diversity of games. The only thing Sony has right now is bigger AAA titles which kinda all look the same yo.

Raise your signal : noise ratio please.

Your point can be valid based on taste without divulging into juvenile warz.

 

[Bigfroth]

The systems sound basically the same.

 

[shenmue mugen]

What I never understood is why Microsoft don't build much more powerful consoles considering the incomparable amount of money they have???? They could sustain those initial losses better than any other player in this industry.

 

[Ar¢tos]

What I never understood is why Microsoft don't build much more powerful consoles considering the incomparable amount of money they have???? They could sustain those initial losses better than any other player in this industry.

Xbox =/= MS
Xbox division exists on a budget, and in the end its not as big or as important as other divisions inside MS.

 

[ethomaz]

I don't think changing to GDDR5 and putting a 580 in there is really copying. They released At two different price points.

They are the same design... there are very few differences like MS with own custom changes and Sony with own custom chantes.

X, Pro and PS4 shares the same design while Xbox One has an unusual design.

Not power or price point.... you can increase the power with the same design or the price point.

 

[ethomaz]

What I never understood is why Microsoft don't build much more powerful consoles considering the incomparable amount of money they have???? They could sustain those initial losses better than any other player in this industry.

I don't thing Xbox division can even tough a finger of that MS money.

Xbox division is like to be a child of a super rich penny-pincher... it has it own allowance but for more than that it will be really difficult to get.

 

[Pallas]

This is some school yard level shit.

To be fair, this entire thread has been a shit show from both sides. Expect several "Sony/Microsoft on suicide watch" threads when the actual specs are revealed.

 

[Lone Wolf]

What is a "Sony Pony?"

Is there a Sony Pony Pro I can buy?

You would buy one you mindless fanboy!

 

[LittleBusters]

I would try to be less juvenile, if I didn't constantly hear 'xbot' on Sony forums.

 

[Romulus]

Both in diversity, quality and quantity Sony has more...

And its a really crazy disparity if you include PSVR, which in my opinion was a more diverse lineup than many consoles by itself and its only 2.5 years old.

 

[ResilientBanana]

They are the same design... there are very few differences like MS with own custom changes and Sony with own custom chantes.

X, Pro and PS4 shares the same design while Xbox One has an unusual design.

Not power or price point.... you can increase the power with the same design or the price point.

Other than the move engines which were for the DDR3 l, what was significantly different? AFAIK the X was just a more powerful version of the S.

 

[Mod of War]

I would try to be less juvenile, if I didn't constantly hear 'xbot' on Sony forums.

You should avoid Sony forums and/or threads then, and hang out on Gaf more, minus getting upset over what people think of inanimate objects.



You see 'Xbots', report them.

 

[ethomaz]

Other than the move engines which were for the DDR3 l, what was significantly different? AFAIK the X was just a more powerful version of the S.

X is a more powerful version of PS4/Pro.

Xbox One had a complete different chip with eSRAM, 9 DMAs (that includes the Moves Engines), DDR3 controller, Audio Unit for Kinect, etc... it is not even alike.

PS4 / XBI APUs side by side

Scorpio APU

X and Pro APU side by side

PS4 = Pro = Scorpio <> Xbox One

MS trowed on trash the Xbox One's design to use a design similar to PS4/Pro on Scorpio.

 

[Lukin1978]

IKR? Sony ponies will get into a tizzy but I feel XBox has much better diversity of games. The only thing Sony has right now is bigger AAA titles which kinda all look the same yo.

 

[Lone Wolf]

X is a more powerful version of PS4/Pro.

Xbox One had a complete different chip with eSRAM, 9 DMAs (that includes the Moves Engines), DDR3 controller, Audio Unit for Kinect, etc... it is not even alike.

PS4 / XBI APUs side by side

Scorpio APU

X and Pro APU side by side

PS4 = Pro = Scorpio <> Xbox One

MS trowed on trash the Xbox One's design to use a design similar to PS4/Pro on Scorpio.

That SRAM my Lord. It takes up like 30% of the space.

 

[ethomaz]

That SRAM my Lord. It takes up like 30% of the space.

I keep thinking today what the MS engineers were thinking... waste that much of space will never be a good think lol
They could have twice the GPU power without eSRAM... like near 2.5 TFs without increase the size of the chip.

 

[kegkilla]

If Sony can release it with a controller that isn't meant for a toddler, that'd be great too.

 

[Imtjnotu]

This is me being a lazy typer. Specs = details of next gen console.

Everything ms stated about next box is almost the same that Sony has said for PS5

 

[ABrokenToy]

This thread needs a little SNAP!

 

[ResilientBanana]

X is a more powerful version of PS4/Pro.

Xbox One had a complete different chip with eSRAM, 9 DMAs (that includes the Moves Engines), DDR3 controller, Audio Unit for Kinect, etc... it is not even alike.

PS4 / XBI APUs side by side

Scorpio APU

X and Pro APU side by side

PS4 = Pro = Scorpio <> Xbox One

MS trowed on trash the Xbox One's design to use a design similar to PS4/Pro on Scorpio.

Thanks for the info! That's pretty interesting.

 

[quest]

I keep thinking today what the MS engineers were thinking... waste that much of space will never be a good think lol
They could have twice the GPU power without eSRAM... like near 2.5 TFs without increase the size of the chip.

Doing what the bosses ordered they had to have 8 gigs of ram for the TV and other crap. It was not until the last minute 8 gigs of ddr5 at a reasonable cost became a reality. So they went with the sram and regular ram to ensure 8 gigs of ram. If the consoles launched 6 months earlier it would been only 4 gigs of ram in the ps4.

 

[Nikana]

The fact MS copied the same design of PS4/Pro to create X shows how bad the Xbox One design was and how it suffers to play actual games.

If you put in a upgrade way it should be: PS4 >> Pro >> X
Xbox One is nowhere to be found... it born and it will be dead alone.

Considering all of the other changes to the CPU cores and the Hovis method, saying they copied it isn't being completely honest.