Topher
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Playstation fans air grievances at Sony under crushing Xbox showcase hype
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KXVXII9X
Member
They are probably different groups of people. I never minded when Sony showed trailers a few years out as long as they regularly updated us with trailers which I felt they were good at. I also like how Nintendo announces their games usually within a year before release.
I think the main issue of current Sony PR is that they drip feed games. Their lineup isn't as steady or robust as Nintendo to be staying as silent as they do. I thought waiting until a couple months to show gameplay of God of War Ragnarök was ridiculous. I have no issue making an announcement of a game right before release, but I think it is a bad practice to announce a game far out with little to no gameplay and just keep people in the dark for years. This isn't just with Sony. Nintendo and Microsoft also do this with some of their games.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Good for you.
I loved to have 10 min vertical slices a couple of years before release to get hyped for something, to have something to talk about etc, it was sony way to say "we're fucking cooking".
I recently had a debate about the fact that sony doesn't do that anymore because it was a waste of money and time...well fuck me because they are probably using the same money for something actively negative like sweet baby consultances and wasting money on diversity hiring and games still take a shitload of time to release, so i can safely say that the situation is worse or at least on par with when they were actually doing vertical slices, except now we get forced agenda instead of hype material
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Lokaum D+
Member
Demon’s Souls - the only dev that made a non crossgen game for PS5 aside from Insomniac and Housemark
Ratchet & Clank - Insomniac heavy lifting ( already said that )
Returnal - Housemark was not a big Studio by the time Returnal was made, great game btw.
Ragnarok - Crossgen game, not made for PS5
GT7 - Corssgen game, not made for PS5
Forbidden West - Crossgen game, not made for PS5
FF16 - Third party studio Sony moneyhat
Deathloop - Bethesda game Sony moneyhat
Ghostwire Tokyo - Bethesda game Sony moneyhat
SM2 - Insomniac heavy lifting ( already said that )
Even recently we got :
Stellar Blade - Third party studio, Sony moneyhat.
Rise of the Ronin - Third party Studio, Sony moneyhat.
Helldivers 2 - I ll give u this one.
FF7 Rebirth - Third party Studio, Sony money hat.
U see, i never said that PS5 had no games, i said that all the heavy lifting atm ( since PS5 launch ) is being done by third party studios that Sony paid for exclusivity or by Insomniac, there is absolutily no first part game made by Sony greatest studios exclusively for PS5.
Like u said we have Team Asoby Astro Bot game otw and thats it, this may be the first time that Sony biggest studios ll launch only one game for the entire generation.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
read up on how Herman mismanaged Horizon. After KZ3, they asked the studio to pitch games. Two emerged. Horizon and a vampire shooter. Everyone at the studio wanted to make Horizon so they started it, but then Herman changed his mind and forced people to make the Vampire shooter. Everyone hated it and nothing got done in a year. Eventually he relented and let them go back to Horizon. A year and a half wasted.
Sony saw that and made this guy the head of all studios. Brilliant.
Taur007
Member
"xbox didnt show a single 10 million seller", guess what? nobody cares cause you CANT PLAY SALES!!!! get a grip
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Its so funny reading this after an entire gen of criticism for announcing games too early and too many of those single player showstoppers everyone misses now.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
The speculative stuff is irrelevant.Good for you.
I loved to have 10 min vertical slices a couple of years before release to get hyped for something, to have something to talk about etc, it was sony way to say "we're fucking cooking".
I recently had a debate about the fact that sony doesn't do that anymore because it was a waste of money and time...well fuck me because they are probably using the same money for something actively negative like sweet baby consultances and wasting money on diversity hiring and games still take a shitload of time to release, so i can safely say that the situation is worse or at least on par with when they were actually doing vertical slices, except now we get forced agenda instead of hype material
If showcases are good for you, great, Microsoft just provided that.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Add a few more filters to your list. I'm sure we can get rid of all of the games if you put a bit more effort in
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Look at the other SP studios. Do you think sucker punch is working on GaaS?
GG is working on Horizon 3
Insomniac is doing Wolverine, SM, and Ratchet in their roadmap
Bluepoint is working on a new SP title
KXVXII9X
Member
Except they showed other games to be releasing this year at a showing several months back. Do we know this is all they have? There is still a few other Game Conferences this year left.
SaucyJack
Member
It was a very good show from Xbox and I was very pleased to see it. It still needs to translate into delivery though because consistent delivery of games over a prolonged period > a good show
Even without any big first party games in 2024 PlayStation has still managed to keep things ticking over nicely and, presumably, has plenty of first party stuff up their sleeves for '25 and beyond.
Even without any big first party games in 2024 PlayStation has still managed to keep things ticking over nicely and, presumably, has plenty of first party stuff up their sleeves for '25 and beyond.
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Negotiator101
Member
The difference is PS first-party have been mismanaged and are significantly behind where they should be because of a misguided GaaS push.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Exactly.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
False. It was a competition and they were prototyping new IP
“Mismanaged horizon” jfc…
Fbh
Gold Member
I don't necessarily disagree but this is too little too late from MS.
If they had this level of showcases and games early on in the gen it might have made a difference, but at this point Ps5 will continue dominating in sales and Sony will continue feeling zero pressure.
That's doubly true now that MS is releasing games on Ps5 too.
I wonder how many of these upset fans were super happy whenever Xbox was doing poorly. Well now you got what you wanted, Sony has no real competitor in the console market. What did you think was going to happen?, they were going to have amazing showcases and release 5 AAA first party games every year? why? So you don't go to which competitor?
If they had this level of showcases and games early on in the gen it might have made a difference, but at this point Ps5 will continue dominating in sales and Sony will continue feeling zero pressure.
That's doubly true now that MS is releasing games on Ps5 too.
I wonder how many of these upset fans were super happy whenever Xbox was doing poorly. Well now you got what you wanted, Sony has no real competitor in the console market. What did you think was going to happen?, they were going to have amazing showcases and release 5 AAA first party games every year? why? So you don't go to which competitor?
Topher
Gold Member
So neither one of us know if any of those studios were working on Gaas at one time or not. That's fine. I just wanted to know if there was factual information about this that I was not aware of. Like I said, it is speculation either way.
fred420170
Member
Maybe... maybe not... What I do know is that every one of those bangers in the show will be on Xbox/PC/GP day and date. You will be in a constant state of "is it going to be on PS" OR you can just play it day/date on PC/Xbox. Who cares what they do with a game that's a year or two old... We will be onto the next thing while you consume scraps like 3rd class citizens haha
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Zheph
Member
ridicule dude, the games are there end of
have you seen the credits for Stellar Blade? It's 80% Sony staff
SaucyJack
Member
The difference is that PlayStation has been consistently delivering games for 30 years whilst Xbox has been promising jam tomorrow since about 2008
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I’m just saying that Sony has been releasing games every single year from their studios
I don’t quite get the complaints regarding output.
Have they been super tight lipped on the future? Yeah, but that doesn’t mean they have nothing, I expect 2025 will have a lot
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Filter added <80% Sony staff
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
We know this isn't everything. People are just coping. MS is gigantic now. Double Fine, Project Mara, Clockwork Revolution, Everwild, Outer Worlds 2 at a minimum all have stuff too. 2nd / 3rd party deals on some small stuff also like Towerborne, 33 Immortals, Contraband. Some other indie stuff too like Replaced. Rumors of Halo remake, Fallout 3 / Oblivion remakes or remasters. More racing games at some point. Elder Scrolls in pre-production.
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Zheph
Member
if 15% isn't directly working for Sony and the game contains green elements, it's an xbox exclusive
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Vroadstar
Member
Killjoy-NL
you have to understand, that having two—yes, count 'em, two—PS5s and a pro version on the horizon is a real struggle. I mean, who wouldn’t lose sleep over the possibility of all that cutting-edge gaming hardware just sitting there, collecting dust? It’s a crisis, my friend. A crisis! 
Topher
Gold Member
Hopefully we get to see those 2025 games soon.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Lokaum D+
Member
you joke because u know that is true, Sony always had third party exclusivity deals, PS2 was made on those deals, but Sony always had a shit load of first party games out too, i ll use ND as example and if u go and do some research u ll see that the trend applies to every big Sony first party studio.
Naugty Dog:
PS2 - 4 games
PS3 - 4 games
PS4 - 2 games
PS5 - 0 games ( 2 "remakes" )
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Ngl after buying 2 (soon to be 3) of the same systems, I'd be expecting a lot too.
Otherwise I would be feeling real stupid spending all that money on a platform that doesn't satisfy me.
Then again, that's probably the very reason he bought 2 PS5s to begin with. Lol
Topher
Gold Member
We will see them sometime in the next 12 months
Let's give them 18 months. No need to rush.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
You're aware this applies to most developers now, right? What's your point even?
Zheph
Member
They got a gaas cancelled, what you guys hate so much. It's a W no?
Little Chicken
Member
Sony are doing themselves and the game a disservice by not releasing this on PC already. They could probably sell 3x more on PC today then what they have on PS5, where it didn't exactly make the splash they thought it would.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
What did they think it would do?
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
3x more? No
captainpat
Member
Why? more than half of the games are going to be on the ps5 as well? it was as much a PlayStation showcase as it was an Xbox one.,
Lokaum D+
Member
my point is that this fuckers needs to stop smelling their own farts with this "we need to make it bigger", they need to lower game "scope" and start releasing shit, like i said, by the end of this generation Sony biggest studios ll release one game and thats it and as i Sony fan i think this is awfull.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
You're not a Sony fan if you feel the need to slap 10 filters on just to make a shitty point
alucard0712_rus
Member
So they do games by themselves?
Little Chicken
Member
Clearly a lot more than under 2 million as they showcased it numerous times in the lead up to the PS5 launch.
Maybe not today, but lifetime? Sure.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
It’s clear? Based on what?
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Negotiator101
Member
That's not even a First-party studio
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
alucard0712_rus
Member
We know this is how it works
Zheph
Member
Can't wait to read the complains when the game is "small"/"not as ambitious"/"what happened to ND man.."
Lokaum D+
Member
Well, i m a Sony fan, never bought a Xbox on my life and had all Playstation consoles ( even the portable one ) the difference is that i value my money and dont like to eat shit for breakfest just cause i like Sony.
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