Holy mother of God! Guess it will have to wait then. 128GB Sony, please.
Or, more likely, something else will get deleted.
Edit: TOTP, buy Grim Fandango and delete something else you love.
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PlayStation Network Thread (Vita/PS4/PS3) | January 2015
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Holy mother of God! Guess it will have to wait then. 128GB Sony, please.
Edit: TOTP, buy Grim Fandango and delete something else you love.
Tizoc
Member
Uber ot but i don't want to open a thread for this, between win 8 and android what's more suited for a girl who wants to buy a cheap 7" tablet, doesn't play videogames, and will probably use it to surf the web and write things? What has more and better apps?
I didn't say that everything needs to be made with mana, i just said that i don't like that system.
The game should "force" me to use different spells by giving me good motivations, not by limiting my choices.
I never use spells like resist poison/stun/etc because usually there are no many enemies capable of inflicting them, the odds of being inflicted are low and their effects are not that dangerous, but if a game makes me go in a dungeon full of spiders with high odds of inflicting poison that does a lot of damage then i would use resist poison.
If an enemy is weak i can use cheap and weak spells, but if an enemy is strong and makes lots of damages each turn or regenerate then i will use expensive and strong spells.
That's how you make me use different spells, it's all about balance, not magic system.
About the abuse of mana potions a game could be without them and then you would have the same need to save spells.
I really hate the D&D system because few spells are suited for most of the situations while most of the others are not, so the "generic" ones ends fast while i remain with others that are not useful in most of the situations. Other than that when i reach a boss i either finished most of the spells or i avoided most of the enemies, 2 things i really hate. Another thing, games with limited resources usually give you enough informations to decide if spend the resources or not(aka approach an enemy in this case), instead most of the dungeon crawlers have random encounters(some games don't even have visible enemies so you can't avoid encounters) so you don't know what you will need.
Those are some of the reasons why i really hate that system, but in any case i respect people who adore it.
I didn't say that everything needs to be made with mana, i just said that i don't like that system.
The game should "force" me to use different spells by giving me good motivations, not by limiting my choices.
I never use spells like resist poison/stun/etc because usually there are no many enemies capable of inflicting them, the odds of being inflicted are low and their effects are not that dangerous, but if a game makes me go in a dungeon full of spiders with high odds of inflicting poison that does a lot of damage then i would use resist poison.
If an enemy is weak i can use cheap and weak spells, but if an enemy is strong and makes lots of damages each turn or regenerate then i will use expensive and strong spells.
That's how you make me use different spells, it's all about balance, not magic system.
About the abuse of mana potions a game could be without them and then you would have the same need to save spells.
I really hate the D&D system because few spells are suited for most of the situations while most of the others are not, so the "generic" ones ends fast while i remain with others that are not useful in most of the situations. Other than that when i reach a boss i either finished most of the spells or i avoided most of the enemies, 2 things i really hate. Another thing, games with limited resources usually give you enough informations to decide if spend the resources or not(aka approach an enemy in this case), instead most of the dungeon crawlers have random encounters(some games don't even have visible enemies so you can't avoid encounters) so you don't know what you will need.
Those are some of the reasons why i really hate that system, but in any case i respect people who adore it.
names2hard4you
Member
Grim Fandango, 3GB on the Vita? Wow, that seems a bit too big don't you guys think lol. That would take a huge chunk of my memory card.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Android by far. Windows 8 only if you really need to have the desktop option.
Tizoc
Member
Dem HD textures yo.
SerTapTap
Member
I love my surface but you really need real win 8 and good hardware to make it work, android is fine for a cheapo
did the trick, thanks mate.
I really feel like this is the best time in months to play games. Even the end of last calendar year, heading into the holidays, wasn't this good.
Grim Fandango
and Resident Evil and Axiom Verge
and Infamous: First Light (free!) and The Swapper and Duke3D. Just so much variation and goodness.
So little time...
Grim Fandango
provided it works today when I get off work
faster please
So little time...
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I love my surface pro too but I wouldn't use it as a dedicated tablet.
SerTapTap
Member
I guess I'm not a standard tablet user, since the SP3 I have no reason for any other tablet. The nexus 7 was kinda nice but the size is pretty useless to me. It's still not small enough to be actually portable, and any time I can bring a carrying case the extra few inches don't matter so I could just bring the SP3
GloriousBagel
Banned
I love my RT but I only use it to watch movies and for school work. Much more convenient to have around than a laptop.
Does ReBirth 2 come out today?
They aren't even updating the backgrounds. Wtf is going on with the size.
The main benefit of a 7 inch tablet is it is way lighter.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
So I finished Second Son, and First Light. I was feeling the shit out of all that. I even did all the mindboggling, Batman on meth Paper Trail sidemission shit for SS. I can't believe it didn't give me
, but I'm glad I did it. It's a cool metagame idea, even though it was pretty tedious, stifling and obtuse most of the time. There had to be a better way to do that just using the phone in-game, the way you could get online in GTAV. Still creative, and I probably put myself on a watchlist by going to a wrong real website for hidden asset investigation at the start, instead of the right fake website. Whatever, though... really glad I played both games right now.
PSP/PSOne too. It all gets thrown in the folder by CMA. It's mostly Vita games, though. There are fewer 1-2GB Vita games compared to PSOne/PSP games that break the threshold, but way more Vita games in total.
a boss fight or a new power
PSP/PSOne too. It all gets thrown in the folder by CMA. It's mostly Vita games, though. There are fewer 1-2GB Vita games compared to PSOne/PSP games that break the threshold, but way more Vita games in total.
autoduelist
Member
Snipping to focus on that last sentence first.
If you had a mana system without an easy way to replenish mana, most people would only spend mana on their very best spell (Greater Fireball for bosses, Lesser Fireball for mobs, perhaps) to the exclusion of all other spells.
Why? Because in a limited mana system, you'd be forced to use your mana to the utmost, eeking every point of damage out that you could. Poisoned? Hopefully you have an antidote potion because casting a 'poison resist' spell would be a waste of the far more important mana resource.
That's why almost all games that use a mana point system allow mana points to be easy to refresh via potions, fountains, etc... so you're once again free to spam any spell you want, within limits (quaffing a potion takes a turn, you have a basic cap per battle, etc)
A spell quantity system removes that issue. Casting your 'poison resistance' spell in no way hampers your casting of 'Greater Fireball', so, in theory, you are more likely to cast both assuming a well balanced game.
Going back to your first sentence:
"The game should "force" me to use different spells by giving me good motivations, not by limiting my choices."
There will always be a 'best DPS spell', a 'best buff', etc... there's no way to avoid that. And this idea that it's 'limiting your choices' is purely a matter of perspective -- it could just as easily be said a 'spell quantity' system 'expands your choices' by removing the interlocking dependency of different spells (mana points). You're now free to cast Lightning Bolt without worrying it will cripple your ability to cast Greater Fireball later.
Imo, spell quantity systems create a far better 'economy' of spells... where you'll be looking at all your available spells trying to decide which is the best to use for a given combat situation - and more importantly, SHOULD I cast a spell at all, given their quantity limitation. In a mana system, in almost all cases, that spell will be your best combat spell (be it Greater Fireball, or whatever) and quaffing a potion as necessary. The tactical implications in a mana system are as such severely reduced [in most implementations], though you do get to feel a bit more 'bad ass' since you can power through things continually casting your most badass spells.
Tizoc
Member
Looking that clean takes lots of MBs yo.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
If only there was an overpriced physical copy for me to buy that people who wouldn't buy a physical copy anyway would complain about the price of.
FriedConsole
Banned
It does. That Ultimate Team crap is the worst. Sad that it has become more of a focus for EA now. I don't need free to play games in my paid games.
autoduelist
Member
Since you quoted oddly, I can't quote well either -- your comments in quotes.
"Why do you think so? In a battle your aim should be to beat enemies asap with the cheapest cost possible, weak spells are suited for weak enemies"
Perhaps I'm not being clear -- obviously you're going to use weaker spells against rats, etc. And obviously you use your 'Ice Storm' against fire dragons, and your 'Fire Storm' against Evil Snowmen. That's not what I'm talking about... that's still just picking your most relevant DPS (or buff/debuff) spell against any given enemy or mob of enemies.
That quickly becomes rote. You use the most relevant spell, quaff a potion, and use it again. And again. Where ever necessary, and without thought to scarcity. Why use a thunderbolt against that Ice Giant when you're obviously just going to use Greater Fireball? Spell quantity limitations force you to be very selective, and often use spells that might not be the 'best' for a given situation. If you only have 1 Greater Fireball left, do you use it against that Ice Giant? Or save it for a later enemy? Do you use a Thunderbolt against the Fire Demon because you really need to damage him and you're out of (or don't want to waste) Ice spells? Or just risk letting your melee characters whittle him down?
In a mana based game, of course you use the best spell available (in this case your elemental spell of choice), then you quaff a potion, no big deal. Ice Storm, Thunderbolt, etc, are 'options', but not 'choices' --- that is, the choice is obvious.
"imo a well balanced game without mana potions would have anti poison spells or potions, not both because having both would defeat the purpose of not having mana potions"
Many games have scrolls and potions that emulate important spells. You have antidotes to use for 'remove poison' spell, a Phoenix Down type item (or church) as well as revive spells... many games also sell scrolls so non-magic users can 'cast' limited spells. And then you have 'horns of fire' or 'swords of laser' to further emulate magic.
There are very, very few games that don't have easy to replenish mana points in mana based games. The only one I can actively think of is Bard's Tale 3, in fact... though I'm sure there are more, where you had to wait 'real time' for mana to restore. All the rest I can think of have potions or ways to easily rest, though I may be forgetting some others.
However, that's sort of the point -- limiting mana forces hard choices. I like that. So I'm not criticizing those games at all, merely pointing out that in the vast majority of mana based games your spell casters are effectively mana-rich by mid game due to stockpiling potions. And once you are mana-rich, there's little need to conserve mana or put much thought into what spells to cast/not cast.
"Again the game should give you a motivation to use a spell, why should i use the greater fireball in a dungeon full of weak enemies with low resistance to ice?"
See my first response... I made the mistake of assuming that was a 'given' in making my point -- obviously you use 'Ice Storm' or 'Fire Storm' where appropriate. But that is not real choice between spells, it's just rote behavior.
The issue is purely that it doesn't matter if you cast that spell, because you just quaff a potion after the battle. Spell limitations force you to evaluate each and every cast and it's risk/reward.
"again it's a balance issue, if a game gives you ice, fire, earth and other elements then they should have a sense, every enemy should be weak or strong to something, if most of the enemies are neutral to elements then there's no point to them, what to use is just a matter of preference."
I don't view the choice between casting Fireball and Iceball as 'choice', if all I need to do is drink a potion afterwards. That's not 'choice'. You just pick the relevant one and you're done. That's the illusion of choice.
If you only have 5 fireballs left, and you're 6 levels deep in the dungeon, the very act of casting a spell becomes real, true, choice.
What you call 'freedom of choice' I call the opposite -- if I have the mana and can easily replenish said mana, I'll always pick the 'best' spell. That's not real 'choice' as I define it, because my choice becomes a given.
You're not 'choosing' to cast fireball over thunderbolt against an ice demon so much as auto-picking. But if you only have 3 more fireballs, now you are actively choosing every time. The limitation of 'choice' actually creates choice due to scarcity. Abundance of unlimited options, which may seem like 'choice' on the surface, reduces everything to automatic.
"No matter the magic system and the balance there will always be spells that are more useful than others(attack spells will always be used more than resist spells), it's inevitable, that's why a game should not limit choices"
Totally disagree. If you have unlimited spells and unlimited mana (via potions) there's simply no reason to think about what you are casting, you just cast the most obvious spell for the situation (fireball against ice, etc). That's just a given. It's not actual 'choice'.
Actual 'choice' almost requires limitation, there must be a serious consequence. Spell limitation achieves that.
"It would be the same with a well balanced game with limited mana or whatever the system, always using greater fireball is developers' fault, not magics' system."
You're focusing on my example, which is my fault. I should have been clear that's only an example. You will always have a best DPS spell for any given situation. If you are mana rich, and mana is cheap to replace (as it always is) there is little reason not to spam that spell. It really is that simple.
"IIRC even in certain dungeon crawlers with D&D system there's a way to refill spell uses, so it's not that different."
Well, yes, there must be a way to recharge somehow. Some force you to leave the dungeon. Some don't.
But... If it's not that different, why skip this game?
Perhaps the easiest way to explain what I'm getting at... say a game only provides you a single 'Greater Fireball' between rests (so, 1 per battle). Against a huge demon, you'll use it once... and then go through your other spells. In a mana-rich/potion game, you can just spam that 'best spell for this situation' over and over, quaffing potions (or whatever the best dps combo is, it could be spamming Medium Fireball because you get 3 per potion, the specifics are immaterial).
Edit - reread this and realized I'm hitting the same point over and over, in slightly different ways. Don't have the energy to edit to be more concise.
"Why do you think so? In a battle your aim should be to beat enemies asap with the cheapest cost possible, weak spells are suited for weak enemies"
Perhaps I'm not being clear -- obviously you're going to use weaker spells against rats, etc. And obviously you use your 'Ice Storm' against fire dragons, and your 'Fire Storm' against Evil Snowmen. That's not what I'm talking about... that's still just picking your most relevant DPS (or buff/debuff) spell against any given enemy or mob of enemies.
That quickly becomes rote. You use the most relevant spell, quaff a potion, and use it again. And again. Where ever necessary, and without thought to scarcity. Why use a thunderbolt against that Ice Giant when you're obviously just going to use Greater Fireball? Spell quantity limitations force you to be very selective, and often use spells that might not be the 'best' for a given situation. If you only have 1 Greater Fireball left, do you use it against that Ice Giant? Or save it for a later enemy? Do you use a Thunderbolt against the Fire Demon because you really need to damage him and you're out of (or don't want to waste) Ice spells? Or just risk letting your melee characters whittle him down?
In a mana based game, of course you use the best spell available (in this case your elemental spell of choice), then you quaff a potion, no big deal. Ice Storm, Thunderbolt, etc, are 'options', but not 'choices' --- that is, the choice is obvious.
"imo a well balanced game without mana potions would have anti poison spells or potions, not both because having both would defeat the purpose of not having mana potions"
Many games have scrolls and potions that emulate important spells. You have antidotes to use for 'remove poison' spell, a Phoenix Down type item (or church) as well as revive spells... many games also sell scrolls so non-magic users can 'cast' limited spells. And then you have 'horns of fire' or 'swords of laser' to further emulate magic.
There are very, very few games that don't have easy to replenish mana points in mana based games. The only one I can actively think of is Bard's Tale 3, in fact... though I'm sure there are more, where you had to wait 'real time' for mana to restore. All the rest I can think of have potions or ways to easily rest, though I may be forgetting some others.
However, that's sort of the point -- limiting mana forces hard choices. I like that. So I'm not criticizing those games at all, merely pointing out that in the vast majority of mana based games your spell casters are effectively mana-rich by mid game due to stockpiling potions. And once you are mana-rich, there's little need to conserve mana or put much thought into what spells to cast/not cast.
"Again the game should give you a motivation to use a spell, why should i use the greater fireball in a dungeon full of weak enemies with low resistance to ice?"
See my first response... I made the mistake of assuming that was a 'given' in making my point -- obviously you use 'Ice Storm' or 'Fire Storm' where appropriate. But that is not real choice between spells, it's just rote behavior.
The issue is purely that it doesn't matter if you cast that spell, because you just quaff a potion after the battle. Spell limitations force you to evaluate each and every cast and it's risk/reward.
"again it's a balance issue, if a game gives you ice, fire, earth and other elements then they should have a sense, every enemy should be weak or strong to something, if most of the enemies are neutral to elements then there's no point to them, what to use is just a matter of preference."
I don't view the choice between casting Fireball and Iceball as 'choice', if all I need to do is drink a potion afterwards. That's not 'choice'. You just pick the relevant one and you're done. That's the illusion of choice.
If you only have 5 fireballs left, and you're 6 levels deep in the dungeon, the very act of casting a spell becomes real, true, choice.
What you call 'freedom of choice' I call the opposite -- if I have the mana and can easily replenish said mana, I'll always pick the 'best' spell. That's not real 'choice' as I define it, because my choice becomes a given.
You're not 'choosing' to cast fireball over thunderbolt against an ice demon so much as auto-picking. But if you only have 3 more fireballs, now you are actively choosing every time. The limitation of 'choice' actually creates choice due to scarcity. Abundance of unlimited options, which may seem like 'choice' on the surface, reduces everything to automatic.
"No matter the magic system and the balance there will always be spells that are more useful than others(attack spells will always be used more than resist spells), it's inevitable, that's why a game should not limit choices"
Totally disagree. If you have unlimited spells and unlimited mana (via potions) there's simply no reason to think about what you are casting, you just cast the most obvious spell for the situation (fireball against ice, etc). That's just a given. It's not actual 'choice'.
Actual 'choice' almost requires limitation, there must be a serious consequence. Spell limitation achieves that.
"It would be the same with a well balanced game with limited mana or whatever the system, always using greater fireball is developers' fault, not magics' system."
You're focusing on my example, which is my fault. I should have been clear that's only an example. You will always have a best DPS spell for any given situation. If you are mana rich, and mana is cheap to replace (as it always is) there is little reason not to spam that spell. It really is that simple.
"IIRC even in certain dungeon crawlers with D&D system there's a way to refill spell uses, so it's not that different."
Well, yes, there must be a way to recharge somehow. Some force you to leave the dungeon. Some don't.
But... If it's not that different, why skip this game?
Perhaps the easiest way to explain what I'm getting at... say a game only provides you a single 'Greater Fireball' between rests (so, 1 per battle). Against a huge demon, you'll use it once... and then go through your other spells. In a mana-rich/potion game, you can just spam that 'best spell for this situation' over and over, quaffing potions (or whatever the best dps combo is, it could be spamming Medium Fireball because you get 3 per potion, the specifics are immaterial).
Edit - reread this and realized I'm hitting the same point over and over, in slightly different ways. Don't have the energy to edit to be more concise.
Tizoc
Member
Grim Fandango runs nice on the Vita although some screen transitions cause slowdown. Regardless what little I played was good, but the lack of an auto save isa bit of a bummer, but hey we got too pampered by auto saves in video games as is, so a change in pace is nice.
Also a tip for first timers: Explore every freakin' where pick up every freakin' thing and once you've exhausted everything
Also a tip for first timers: Explore every freakin' where pick up every freakin' thing and once you've exhausted everything
use a guide to proceed from the area you're in
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
Starting to see this week's sale stuff pop up on the webstore. Just a quick (not complete) rundown:
- Bethesda stuff, DLC for Skyrim, Fallout 3, and New Vegas (but not the base games, at least at this point), Doom 3 BFG, Doom Classic Complete, Dishonored, and The Evil Within are all there too though.
- EA stuff. Dragon Age Origins and II, plus a bunch of DLC for both, Battlefield games, sports games, NFS games, etc etc.
- One lone Vita game, but it's Ys: Memories of Celceta. So at least it's something good.
- Bethesda stuff, DLC for Skyrim, Fallout 3, and New Vegas (but not the base games, at least at this point), Doom 3 BFG, Doom Classic Complete, Dishonored, and The Evil Within are all there too though.
- EA stuff. Dragon Age Origins and II, plus a bunch of DLC for both, Battlefield games, sports games, NFS games, etc etc.
- One lone Vita game, but it's Ys: Memories of Celceta. So at least it's something good.
Yes, it does.
HowardRoark
Member
Newegg has Project Diva F 2nd Physical for $30:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16879257096&cm_sp=
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16879257096&cm_sp=
GloriousBagel
Banned
Yay! I'll buy on Amazon today.
Tizoc
Member
Ys Celceta is on sale on US PSN! $20 is OK IMO, someone make a thread for it, nothing stops this Ys and Falcom train in 2015!
Looks native res to me >_>;
Looks native res to me >_>;
Ingueferroque
Banned
Yes. Everyone should be paying attention.
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
$3.99 for Burnout Paradise 2 NFS Most Wanted?
Okay, EA, you got me.
Okay, EA, you got me.
welp, I'm finally gonna dive in to the Ys series
E the Shaggy
Junior Member
Nothing really for me (waiting for Wolfenstein to hit $20.)
Dragon Age for $5 is a steal tho.
Dragon Age for $5 is a steal tho.
Tizoc
Member
You didn't get Ys Oath in Felghana during the sale from 2 weeks ago
We were pimpin that game in like 3 threads.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/01/26/gunsport-trailer-a-world-renewed/#comments
I want to punch at least 75% of those commenters.
I want to punch at least 75% of those commenters.
Maybe not dedicated tablet but it's pretty good for Lightroom alone.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Re;Birth 2 get. This bubble has to be Idea Factory being aware of the "female anime face" running gag.
SerTapTap
Member
Every time I buy something on the web store, the the "download your games" page gets stuck in endless loading, then I have to force refresh, then it's gone, then the download list doesn't have my new games for an hour or so. Why do I bother.
Also, kind of annoyed that manual "purchases" are still required for cross buy/season pass stuff. I had to "buy" 7 things today, 5 were Driveclub season pass entitlements and 2 were the other 2/3rds of the Grim Fandango preorder I made days ago.
More like Idea factory knowing people like neps. PP is also neptune. Face is a bit overly close to Neptune's though.
Also, kind of annoyed that manual "purchases" are still required for cross buy/season pass stuff. I had to "buy" 7 things today, 5 were Driveclub season pass entitlements and 2 were the other 2/3rds of the Grim Fandango preorder I made days ago.
More like Idea factory knowing people like neps. PP is also neptune. Face is a bit overly close to Neptune's though.
What about Neptunia PP? Don't you have that one?
I was like "what should be wrong with this" until I got to comment #9 and onwards
aw shit
SerTapTap
Member
Same. But it's about what I expected before I clicked. Every @playstation tweet about an indie has people bitching about "waaaa SNES grayfix on muh pee ess fur"