I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Every fucking indie related post. Annoys me to no end. No doubt the PS Plus update tomorrow we be full of such delightful comments! Doubt the GAF tbread will be that much better to be fair though.
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PlayStation Network Thread (Vita/PS4/PS3) | January 2015
- Thread starter ZeroAKA
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I love indies. I won't bash Sony.
However. If you've been a PS3 owner through most of it's cycle, and have been subbed to PS+ prior to PS4. It's hard to argue the perceived value of PS+ hasn't greatly diminished. I have to agree with Man God. The offerings have shifted towards the indie side, and as it stands only late adopters of PS4 will truly benefit from full retail releases. All we early adopters can truly hope for are some high quality digital releases in the vain of Transistor and Child of Light. Other than that you'd be hard pressed to find full retail games that haven't already been experienced by current owners. We certainly aren't going to get $60 games for free anytime soon. Sony is in a bit of a bind with this one.
However. If you've been a PS3 owner through most of it's cycle, and have been subbed to PS+ prior to PS4. It's hard to argue the perceived value of PS+ hasn't greatly diminished. I have to agree with Man God. The offerings have shifted towards the indie side, and as it stands only late adopters of PS4 will truly benefit from full retail releases. All we early adopters can truly hope for are some high quality digital releases in the vain of Transistor and Child of Light. Other than that you'd be hard pressed to find full retail games that haven't already been experienced by current owners. We certainly aren't going to get $60 games for free anytime soon. Sony is in a bit of a bind with this one.
SerTapTap
Member
...eh? PS3 PS+ clearly had more value to people who didn't already own the games. Sort of the nature of the beast. Already having Injustice when it hit PS+ is no different from already having Just Cause 2 when it hit PS+. PS+ for PS3 did not exist in a magical space where all the games were brand spanking new (actually PS4 is the first time we've had day one PS+ games--yes, indies). AAA games were always old. Often years old, actually.
That and people are already forced into Plus if they want to play online so there's less incentive to get people in.
Before then they had to give more expensive games because that was the main draw. Plus the obvious fact that there are just less PS4 games to give away right now as launch period titles can still make money in the traditional way, so paying off indies is a natural fit.
We'll see if they improve it in a year or two when they drop PS3 (maybe Vita as well) and have a bigger back catalog to use.
Before then they had to give more expensive games because that was the main draw. Plus the obvious fact that there are just less PS4 games to give away right now as launch period titles can still make money in the traditional way, so paying off indies is a natural fit.
We'll see if they improve it in a year or two when they drop PS3 (maybe Vita as well) and have a bigger back catalog to use.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
What do you expect them to do? Retail games aren't going to be given away that quickly. What publisher is going to give their games away quickly like that? It takes time. Here's the deal with PS Plus, and it has always been the deal. You get retail games that have been out a fair while and you get indies both new and old. PS4 has now reached a point where they can start to give those early PS4 retail titles out. Injustice and First Light the last couple months. Probably some more launch window titles in the coming months.
Expecting new retail titles is unrealistic. Indies have good reason to give their games away early. They need the exposure and any money they may recieve from Sony will be worth it to them. Big publishers don't have those reasons to give their games away early.
Expectations have been ridiculous. Retail games were always going to come in time. In the meantime they've been giving away some fucking fantastic indie titles on PS4. Not to mention that so many people just write off the indies they give away despite their quality. People assume it's shit because it's 2D or whatever. But quite frankly the majority of the indies they've given away are of a higher quality than the retail titles they'll probably be giving away over the next few months. People just don't want to know.
And besides, look at all the indie hate when it's not even related to PS Plus. People in that PS Blog post are actually asking those kind of games to die already. It's pretty disgusting. Like the mere existence of smaller indie titles on the system devalues the entire console. That's actually what people think. If everybody thought like that it would be pretty damn harmful to the industry in general. With the death of mid tier games, indies are pretty much all we have apart from the big AAA blockbusters these days. WIth how expensive games are to make these days it's no wonder very few publishers take risks and get really creative with their games. At least we have that on the indie scene. If these commenters had their way we wouldn't even have those on consoles today.
Expecting new retail titles is unrealistic. Indies have good reason to give their games away early. They need the exposure and any money they may recieve from Sony will be worth it to them. Big publishers don't have those reasons to give their games away early.
Expectations have been ridiculous. Retail games were always going to come in time. In the meantime they've been giving away some fucking fantastic indie titles on PS4. Not to mention that so many people just write off the indies they give away despite their quality. People assume it's shit because it's 2D or whatever. But quite frankly the majority of the indies they've given away are of a higher quality than the retail titles they'll probably be giving away over the next few months. People just don't want to know.
And besides, look at all the indie hate when it's not even related to PS Plus. People in that PS Blog post are actually asking those kind of games to die already. It's pretty disgusting. Like the mere existence of smaller indie titles on the system devalues the entire console. That's actually what people think. If everybody thought like that it would be pretty damn harmful to the industry in general. With the death of mid tier games, indies are pretty much all we have apart from the big AAA blockbusters these days. WIth how expensive games are to make these days it's no wonder very few publishers take risks and get really creative with their games. At least we have that on the indie scene. If these commenters had their way we wouldn't even have those on consoles today.
xKilltheMx
Member
Vitagaf? NFS bundle on sale and I just bought regular NFS in the last sale. Chances of them giving me a refund? Letting me upgrade for the price difference? Anything?
YianGaruga
Banned
If I like 2 out of the 6 games available each month I'm happy and consider it getting my money's worth. And that's not even counting the additional discounts on sales.
Yes it changed, but the value is still there for 4€ a month. They can't give you multiple AAA games each month forever and I'd rather they didn't, honestly.
Yes it changed, but the value is still there for 4€ a month. They can't give you multiple AAA games each month forever and I'd rather they didn't, honestly.
The one about being tired of the pixel art style makes me wonder if they understand what an Indie game means. Although 'these devs' clearly enjoy the retro style, I'm sure pixel art is used for financial reasons over anything else.
"I don't like these graphics, can you make them like Uncharted 4 please?"
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Yeah, "I DIDN"T PAY $700 FOR A SYSTEM TO KNOW ABOUT GAMES I'M TOO STUPID TO LIKE AND DONT EVEN HAVE TO BUY IF I DONT WANT TO" and "I PAID $60 FOR PS+ SO GIMME FOUR BRAND NEW $60 AAA GAMES A MONTH FOR 12 MONTHS" is a cancer in gaming. It's how many people think though, and I Wanna Be the Guy is right about GAF threads being just as bad as a comment section gutter sometimes.
I still have a few obvious holes in the library, and that's one of them.
I still have a few obvious holes in the library, and that's one of them.
FriedConsole
Banned
I did buy it for around that before and I wouldn't recommend it. It really does suck.
NFL Blitz is not Blitz 99 but it is a lot of fun.
What does "Disc Only" mean? I can't buy it?
SerTapTap
Member
As absurd as this is, yes, there are still PS3 games, still NEW PS3 games even, without digital releases of any sort. KH2.5 HD is the most recent and may (or may not) be the last
You missed the NISA store selling it for $20 (and a bunch of other deals at the same time)
FriedConsole
Banned
Why is this in the EA sale?
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Yeah, I remember that. It was around when I was buying tons of other stuff. I usually see it for $30 anyway, no big loss. Just gotta remember not to let the stuff I'm missing get too far out to where the prices are going up instead of down or staying the same.
YianGaruga
Banned
New sales are listed on the blog now
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/01/27/playstation-store-update-378/#sf7144696
The fuck happened to additional plus discounts? I had a feeling this wasn't only a thing because of the voucher.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2015/01/27/playstation-store-update-378/#sf7144696
The fuck happened to additional plus discounts? I had a feeling this wasn't only a thing because of the voucher.
SerTapTap
Member
Oh, it is? Super weird, DLC maybe?
They're publisher sales, maybe the pubs said no. There weren't always PS+ discounts on top of all sales (just usually, in recent memory anyway)
Interesting, I guess Ys Celceta at $20 is a permanent price drop instead of a temporary sale. The blog has made mistakes before though...
teflontactics
Member
Correct. Price drops are permanent.
SerTapTap
Member
Amazon has the physical version for $20 too. Seems to be real
YianGaruga
Banned
I always though the PS+ discount came entirely out of Sony's pocket. It often was 30%, which is exactly the cut a DD service usually takes. Last EA sale in Sep 2014, all games had PS+ discounts. This time, none.
Premature theory: PS+ discounts are a thing of the past and PS+ members get a single 10% voucher each month (maybe week if they're nice) that works like the one they had this weekend.
FriedConsole
Banned
My Little Pony avatars are finally here!
SerTapTap
Member
The age of Xbox is done
Eh I doubt it. They've been wildly varying discounts, from 10% on release to extra 50% off during sales.
HamPster PamPster
Member
Ragnarok Odyssey Ace On PSnow? Nice, I always wanted to try it since I enjoyed the vita version of the original (but never bought ace). Time to use that 7 day trial
brb, buying a PS3 to swap avvy.
Will use the missus' PS3.
edit: Not enough money on wallet, fml.
But this surely paves the way for Vita Ponies.
Dammit Hasbro.
clarkision
Member
Speaking of PS+, shouldn't we be hearing about next months games today? Or will they announce it globally tomorrow?
Because Syndicate was published by EA and I assume there's DLC on sale.
I need to find my copy. Game was fucking awesome.
Feels like I'm the champion of underrated FPS sometimes haha.
The value of PS+ has greatly increased for me. Retail games I can play for free with smart trading and deals. Digital only titles not so much, you need a good deal to play them and PS+ gives it right out of the bat.
I still find it incredible that we got games such as Velocity 2X, BoI: Rebirth and Don't Starve for free on DAY 1. Those three alone paid for my subscription.
In any case, if you're unhappy with the service it's fine to give your own feedback. Just don't be a freaking man child about it, complaining in completely unrelated game topics.
Kresnik258
Member
Has this been posted yet? Apologies if it has. Adventure/Strategy kickstarter with a Vita stretch goal:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/43328422/this-is-the-police
Sounds pretty cool actually.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/43328422/this-is-the-police
Sounds pretty cool actually.
autoduelist
Member
I'm debating calling Sony over this too. Super annoying.
Publisher control sales. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with the voucher; I can't even think of a reason the two events would be connected.
Can't swear as to how ps+ discounts work, but Sony simply eating the difference doesn't seem like it would make sense given the depth and breadth of ps+ discounts in the past. I think you're definitely being premature -- afterall, plenty of games this week do have a ps+ discount. Switching to the coupon simply doesn't make much sense for anyone - us, Sony, or publishers.
YianGaruga
Banned
Yeah publishers control sales, but as you said, we don't know how PS+ discounts work. In the PC DD space, it is not unusual to have stores that offer unlimited 20-30% off discount vouchers on top of publisher dictated sales. 30% is the usual cut for the vendor, so the vendor decides to recieve a smaller cut in an attempt to make its store more attractive. I can see the same logic for Sony and PS+ discounts, to make PS+ attractive and lock people into their system. I don't know if that's the case, but I know that PS+ disounts aren't just a friendly gesture by Sony. It's a calculated effort to get people to subscribe, and it's less necessary now with the online paywall.
I had the idea of PS+ vouchers floating in my head after Sony added the ability to enter discount codes without saying a word some time ago. It's just speculation, but I don't think it's impossible.
I would save the $3, there's just some extra cars on the 'complete' version.
Flightmare
Member
Probably tomorrow
SerTapTap
Member
Got my SSHD so I could set up this little number. Can't see the sexy geometric shapes from phone camera picture 
I might be tempted by a theme but only if they stop using the completely ancient and no longer accurate pre-release art for Rarity
Also how do you guys even survive only buying PSN wallet cards and apparently also never buying them
I might be tempted by a theme but only if they stop using the completely ancient and no longer accurate pre-release art for Rarity
Also how do you guys even survive only buying PSN wallet cards and apparently also never buying them
Did you put a skin on your PS4? It looks nice.Got my SSHD so I could set up this little number. Can't see the sexy geometric shapes from phone camera picture
There is always a risk of spoiler so I don't really know who would want to show off a visual novel.
Oh, it's just that I spent my last wallet money last week and won't buy another card just to grab some not-so-great avatars. And honestly, I'd be very happy if I only feel the need to get more cards when Kiwami launches, but heh.
Also I see them sexy geometric shapes on the PS4, where are they from?
SerTapTap
Member
It's the 20th anniversary PS4, you just can't see the # emblem in that shot
Zombie James
Banned
Weird that Dragon Age II is on sale but not Origins. I wouldn't mind getting into the series but don't want to start on the second one :/
Pandora012
Member
I think Origins was on sale a couple months ago. If you don't mind physical, you can probably find it pretty cheap.
Got my first platinum!
Zero Escape : Virtue's Last Reward
Not the most impressive game to plat, but I'm happy nonetheless
did you play 999