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Pokémon Black Version 2/White Version 2 |OT| Zero Shades of Grey
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Cjdamon042
Member
I doubt she means in terms of sales, so lol indeed. DP are my least favourite. Haven't tried Platinum though.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Surely she jests. BW were the best games in the series!
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I never got a straight answer on this yet, but at what point in the game can you trade Pokemon from Black and White? Near the beginning? Or around the post-game?
I always trade-in my game team right at the beginning bar the starter.
Still haven't decided who I'll use besides Oshawott.
EDIT: I know I'll buy this and have a blast but, to be honest, I was far more excited for Emerald and Platinum than this...maybe it's my age?
I always trade-in my game team right at the beginning bar the starter.
Still haven't decided who I'll use besides Oshawott.
EDIT: I know I'll buy this and have a blast but, to be honest, I was far more excited for Emerald and Platinum than this...maybe it's my age?
Well to be honest, this is essentially Super Gray, but it could also be franchise fatigue.
I personally am rather tired of the DS Pokemon games artstyle myself. I'm hoping for Gen VI they truly try to take Pokemon to the next level already.
You can trade as soon as you get the c-gear, which you get after beating the first gym. Exactly how it worked in B1/W1.
The complete Unova Dex (meaning all pokemon available in B2/W2) has a little under half of all available pokemon in it. You'll need to trade to get the rest. B2/W2 with a copy of HG or SS would get you almost every single pokemon though.
its fun knowing things a week after the jp game comes out.
ThatObviousUser
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Odds are I'd have to look up a guide to this stuff anyways.
MetalGuardian
Banned
Hooooly shit!
How do you
EV train a pokemon in seconds? Is it some new item?
Anyway, I have always wanted to complete the pokedex at least ONCE in my life. This seems like the perfect excuse to do it. Too bad I don't have a goddam Deoxys though
EDIT: Also in regards to Join Avenue... can you fill up the street purely via WiFi? I'm not sure how many of my IRL friends will be getting this, so I don't want to miss out on stuff. Hopefully you don't have to do a combination of wireless and WiFi to unlock everything
Next you're going to tell me there is a way around the completely bullshit IV system...
Hooooly shit!
How do youEV train a pokemon in seconds? Is it some new item?
Anyway, I have always wanted to complete the pokedex at least ONCE in my life. This seems like the perfect excuse to do it. Too bad I don't have a goddam Deoxys though
Lots of people can trade you cloned Pokemon, or just someone people like me that have craploads of extra / useless event Pokemon. Either to keep, or just to activate in your Pokedex. If you get close to completing it and you're still missing some, just post on here and people can help you fill it out.
Thanks a ton man!
Hooooly shit!
How do youEV train a pokemon in seconds? Is it some new item?
Anyway, I have always wanted to complete the pokedex at least ONCE in my life. This seems like the perfect excuse to do it. Too bad I don't have a goddam Deoxys though
The jist of Join Avenue is this. People show up at your avenue and want to open shops or go shopping. These shops offer incredible things like EV reduction/training, level training, happiness up, rare items, faster egg hatching. Some people want to shop though and want you to direct them to the right shop. By opening up these shops and sending people to the places you want to go, it levels up the shops.
The page I linked to on Serebii is pretty detailed in how it works and it doesn't seem that hard to do.
Well, if you get someone to trade you a perfect IV'd ditto the gen iv mechanics can get you perfectly servicable IV'd pokemon using the power items in maybe an hour of breeding. Maybe less time with all these other improvements.
The only thing it really can't help you with is Hidden Power. That still takes forever.
I might trade over my Keldeo from the Gamestop give away and use it in BW2. Probably going with Tepig for the first time in a playthrough.. so since I have two Fighting type Pokemon already in the case, I might go for Fighting-only team. A lot of good ones to choose from at least.
Indeed. I have multiple perfect IV Dittos and it's usually an easy task to breed. Passing down DW natures, or moves can be more difficult.. but thankfully my perfect Smeargle helps there too.
Indeed. I have multiple perfect IV Dittos and it's usually an easy task to breed. Passing down DW natures, or moves can be more difficult.. but thankfully my perfect Smeargle helps there too.
Well, one step at a time I guess. Maybe the 3DS games will kill off the IV system and either murder hidden power or allow it to be much easier to set. EV training I can handle, but IV breeding I cannot.
And they could just flavor it with in game tutors (masters of the elements, w/e) and let you specifically train a type of Hidden Power. Go to the fire dude, get hidden power fire. Done and done.
Or just kill the move off completely and be done with it. It depends on Game Freaks intentions. I'm honestly not sure if GF intended HP to have such a big part of the competitive metagame or not based on how much of a bitch it is to obtain.
They do actually, but they focus on doubles and VGC format. So many things added in BW2 are just for the competitive crowd. And you can see that through a lot of the new moves they've added the last two generations; Many only being viable in Doubles.
I never understood why they don't make the games focus on doubles, when their competitive tournaments are doubles. I would love at least the option to play doubles in every battle in-game.
I'd prefer a bit of type-chart re-balancing too though..
I'm sure they have some general idea what they want battling to feel like, they are constantly adding/changing mechanics from game to game to improve things. Changes in how EV training, IV breeding, and even the physical/special split support this. I'm just not sure what Game Freak wants to do with their game lines up with the competitive battling community.
And I think the Ice pokemon issue is more of a Stealth Rocks problem.
I still don't think it's one of the major things they focus on when working on these games. I think Pokemon is an easily accessible game about pitting monsters you tame with pokeballs against random npcs first and a competitive one second to them. I guess I'm saying this because I think they should have gotten down a lot of the common issues already. I mean it's Gen V, and we're just now seeing stuff to help with
EVs on a grander scale.
Ice Pokemon only having Ice as a resistance with three common weaknesses and a limited movepool is the other. Water Pokemon can use Ice moves which also adds insult to injury.
me too. hopefully next gen.
We've had Vitamins, Macho Brace, Pokerus boost, then Power Items, and now Join Avenue. They clearly focus on it, they just haven't made it as easy as you'd like.
Pokemon is casual if you want it to be. If you want it to be easy and accessible it can be. But if you want to play competitively in the tournaments they hold online, or VGC.. or even just compete in Battle Subway, you know what tools you have available.. even if they're sometimes limited. We're not going to get to the point of being able to read IVs of freshly hatched Pokemon in game. That's just the way it is, but it doesn't mean they're not thinking about competitive play.
Ice isn't a great defensive type but that doesn't make Ice Pokemon useless. Weavile, Abomasnow, Froslass, Walrein, Cloyster, Mamoswine,Regice, and Kyurem are all very useful Pokemon. What neuters them greatly is the weakness to Stealth Rocks.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Now everything's weak to poison!
7 out of 8 of those pokemon you named have a secondary type.
Getting Pokerus is like finding a shiny, Vitamins were there since the beginning and limit the potential of your Pokemon, and those other items only multiply the time it takes by a small amount. It helps, but with all the Pokemon out there and having to have a few teams to throw down, that is a TON of time. Yeah, that isn't precisely the time frame I'm looking for personally just to not get obliterated in a match. I'm glad they are doing something now with the second Gen V game, but those methods before still is nothing but a time consuming grind fest even for just one Pokemon.
That was the point.
Well, lots of people praise Steel types, but the majority of Steels I see being used only have Steel as a secondary type.
A lot of Pokemon have secondary types. So? There are only like four pure ice types in the game.
Holy shit. I'm not going to bother with IVs ever but I might actually EV train now.
It makes them mostly bad and a liability though. I'll bite on your Regice example.
Its typing is in stark contrast to its stats. Ice is a terrible defensive typing in crappy Smogon singles, or VGC. It's weak to Rock Slide and Heat Wave, common spread moves, and does it no favours being weak to one of the most common attacking moves in Fighting. It tries to be a wall, but it's tough to be a wall without any resist. Normal Pokemon sometimes manage this feet, but it's because they have one sole weaknesses. Ice is like Normal's ugly cousin. There are way too many Ice Pokemon that want to be bulky walls, but can't because of their typing. The only chance an Ice type has is to hit hard before it dies to one of its many weaknesses.
Like Fire Pokemon, it doesn't help that Ice moves are pretty wide spread and because you're carrying them for a lot of 4x weak Pokemon, you don't need the STAB to make it impactful and you're saving yourself the the pain of trying to cover up its defensive weaknesses.
On the other hand, if Ice actually had a couple real resist.. like Dragon.. and maybe Grass, it would transform the type and all the Pokemon metagames. Suddenly Dragons would have a second check (albeit, with the same weaknesses for the most part) and it would be interesting to see the game re-balance itself.
Just play on simulators if you want to save time. You can have a near flawless fully trained Pokemon in BW1 in well under an hour. If that's too much of a commitment because you just want to input numbers and have your Pokemon, there are simulators for that.
Walrein? That has always been low tier. Cloyster is saved thanks to it's main type being water(and other things like it's buff), Kyurem is an uber while being mainly Dragon(the best type), Weavile isn't useless, but it also isn't great either. Mamoswine is good, and Regice hasn't been too good since Gen III.
chickdigger802
Banned
This is dsi right?
like I can use wpa routers and what not.
Shame i have to choose between streetpass and the wifi thing for this :S
like I can use wpa routers and what not.
Shame i have to choose between streetpass and the wifi thing for this :S
You can use WPA/2 on DSi and above.
Syph Medwes
Member
5 dayssss
Walrein on a hail team is a massive pain in the ass to deal with. I've used him with great success, but it requires immense toe tapping around Stealth Rocks.
Cloyster's main type is ICE, STAB Icicle Spear and Shell Smash (and Ice Shard to a lesser extent) are what make him effective. Shell Smash Razor Shell is nothing to be impressed by, even in rain.
Kyurem was moved to uber? What killed Kyurem I felt was his subpar speed, not his Ice type. Having access to Draco Meteor doesn't mean his Blizzards are any less dangerous.
Regice makes an effective special wall, but is again neutered by Stealth Rocks. It doesn't help that he doesn't have access to a reliable recovery move outside of Rest/Sleep Talk, but it can get the job done.
Really you can pick apart any Pokemon and find deficiencies with their types, thats the entire point of the type chart.
People who don't want to use Hydro Pump with Shell Smash because of accuracy?
Even then surf would still be a better choice.......I guess.