MillionStabs
Banned
Pretty sure you were right about bad luck. Because immediately after I posted that, I caught it with my first ball after doing PAR/low health. Wah wah
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There is no world in which IVs exist and there isn't a preferred set of IVs for any given Pokemon. You can change what a perfect Pokemon is but you will never be able to get rid of them.
In a twisted way, I have grown to enjoy breeding. There's a unique, twisted pleasure in hatching a Perfect Pokémon.There are people defending IVs ? lol
It's so lovely spending dozens of hours breeding just to have a decent pokémon
Shuggananas
Banned
But it's like shiny hunting or the fucking lottery, it's "enjoyable" because you got lucky, which is pretty stupid itself
It's such a waste of time, and most people playing competitive will cheat to get perfect IVs anyway so there's no point in not making it less tedious
Kor of Memory
Member
I'd love to see IVs go away and be replaced with a sort of RNG moveset for pokemon.
That way the whole every pokemon is unique thing could still apply.
For instance:
This would retain the unique factor of pokemon, while still allowing breeding to dictate.
That way the whole every pokemon is unique thing could still apply.
For instance:
Code:
Bulbasaur
Level 1 Tackle
Level 3 Growl(50%) or Leer (50%)
Level 7 Leech Seed(75%) or Growth(25%)
Level 9 Vine Whip
Level 13 Poison Powder(50%) or Sleep Powder(50%)
Level 15 Take Down
Level 19 Razor Leaf
etc...This would retain the unique factor of pokemon, while still allowing breeding to dictate.
bennywhatever
Member
While that'd be great for single player (actually, it'd be really really awesome), I think it would frustrate the competitive community even more than IVs do.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Let's say you want a nice Nidoking.
RNG for gender, because Nidoking breeds into two different Pokemon
RNG for nature, which can be influenced a bit (but you needed to have RNG caught the Ditto/Sync user)
RNG for ability
RNG for IVs, which can be influenced a bit
RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG.
And then people wonder why people look to hack or at least manipulate RNG.
Trimming out IVs from that mess would still leave a lit of stuff to RNG breed for, but now without the obnoxious stat tracking.
RNG for gender, because Nidoking breeds into two different Pokemon
RNG for nature, which can be influenced a bit (but you needed to have RNG caught the Ditto/Sync user)
RNG for ability
RNG for IVs, which can be influenced a bit
RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG.
And then people wonder why people look to hack or at least manipulate RNG.
Trimming out IVs from that mess would still leave a lit of stuff to RNG breed for, but now without the obnoxious stat tracking.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Aww, I'd think Likitung would have fitted nicely in your theme.Just beat the Elite 4. This was my team:
Chansey swept Gary and Lance with Ice Beam and Minimize.
"Clever players may want to poison their Chansey before starting a Link Battle to avoid being frozen." In Gen I statuses didn't reset before link battles?
There are a number of these strategy articles:
http://www.pokemon.com/us/strategy/
Look for the ones labeled analysis (in yellow in the top left of thumbnail) in particular as some of them are just links to info.
Kor of Memory
Member
I wouldn't think so.
Because move tutors and breeding would likely eliminate that aspect anyway.
superNESjoe
Member
I would love this. I also advocate for the removal of IVs and EVs. They are an unnecessary barrier of entry into deep competitive play. Your ability to play competently at a high level should be more about your knowledge of potential Pokemon match ups and movesets, and less about how much wasted time you need to spend grinding and breeding for viable Pokemon.
Outside of the vitamins you give it, (and with this idea what moves it learned leveling up) all LV100 Gengar should be the same. When there are already 700+ Pokemon as competitive variables, there shouldn't be additional crap piled on to that.
Competitive Pokemon play is needlessly complex, the barrier shouldn't be there. You can achieve far more satisfying complexity through simpler means.
A great competitive RPG doesn't have hundreds of classes. It has a dozen or so with subclass or skill tree elements to supplement that so no two Monks/Warriors/ETC are the same.
Pokemon has types, and those are the classes. The individual Pokémon in those types are where the supplemental elements should come from. Fire is a class, but whether it's a Ninetales or a Charizard is where the subtle differences come in. It doesn't need to be deeper than that, you shouldn't have every Charizard capable of entirely different stats on top of that.
balladofwindfishes
Member
But Vitamins are just EV boosters...
It takes like 20 minutes to fully EV train an entire team in Gen VI thanks to hoard battles. There's no issue with EVs at all.
superNESjoe
Member
I didn't elaborate, but with this I think vitamins should be something that you can only pick one and boost a single stat. Like a buff slot.
Get a permanent boost to Defense, but if you give them a different vitamin they loose the Defense boost and get the new permanent boost.
Lose the idea of vitamins, and change it to each Pokemon's diet. What diet you give them provides the stat boost. Change the diet, change the boost. One extra layer of complexity, but not to the extent it currently goes.
spyroflame0487
Member
Is there a cloning glitch available in RBY? I remember doing it in GSC but I can't remember exactly what I did besides changing boxes.
Mfw I forgot to have one of my group of friends get all the starters for us when they first started.
Mfw I forgot to have one of my group of friends get all the starters for us when they first started.
Schadenfreude
Member
Misty's Starmie mashed my potatoes like 10 or 11 times before I finally beat her. I guess going up against her with a Charmeleon and Graveler wasnt a good idea in the first place but them critical hits didnt help.
Vital Tundra
Member
Or just keep EV's, because they are simple enough and allow you to build a Pokemons stats accordingly. IV's are what need to go because that is garbage breeding RNG. Taking out EV's takes out options of what the Pokemon can do, and its not like all Pokemon can be SpS or something. You aren't going to boost your Jolteons Defense stats.
Kor of Memory
Member
Pikachu devoured her for me.
Turn 1 - Thunder Wave @ Staryu
Turn 2 - Double Team
Turn 3 - Double Team
Turn 4 - Double Team
Turn 5 - ThunderShock @ Staryu
Turn 6 - Quick Attack @ Staryu = Dead
Turn 7 - Thunder Wave @ Starmie
Turn 8 - ThunderShock @ Starmie
Turn 9 - ThunderShock @ Starmie = Dead
Staryu hit me once for like 15% of my health, but that was it. I remember back in the day that Starmie was no fucking slouch, so I made sure to prepare for that battle fully.
superNESjoe
Member
True, but honestly at this point I just want it completely overhauled. I want the way Pokémon works to stay the same on a casual level, but change entirely at a high level.
Kor of Memory
Member
Any tips for the slots at Celadon?
I just burned through the 50 freebie coins in about 2 minutes with not a single win.
I just burned through the 50 freebie coins in about 2 minutes with not a single win.
Shuggananas
Banned
buy the coins, don't play the machines
balladofwindfishes
Member
99% of the time the stat boosted would be Speed. In fact, maybe even 100%.
Kor of Memory
Member
At that point, why both doing it just for multi?
What good is it to have it be a single player only thing?
I took a Spearow (Pride) with me and decided to train it before going to Mt. Moon.
The first thing I then encountered was a Mankey that was at a lower level and I thought it would be fine. Mankey used a Low Kick (not a critical) and that somehow damaged more than half of my Spearow's HP which then died. RIP
Went through Mt. Moon without any problem and reached Cerulean City otherwise.
The first thing I then encountered was a Mankey that was at a lower level and I thought it would be fine. Mankey used a Low Kick (not a critical) and that somehow damaged more than half of my Spearow's HP which then died. RIP
Went through Mt. Moon without any problem and reached Cerulean City otherwise.
Shuggananas
Banned
it doesn't miss if you use an accuracy boosting item (X accuracy I think it is ?)
I think RBY speedruns abuse that fact
How are you supposed to know that a Moon Stone will make certain Pokemon evolve? I saw it online for a Pokemon I have, but does it say it anywhere in the game or do you just have to get lucky and try it?
Also, is the game gated by beating gyms? I just got to Misty's gym, but I'm wondering if I could just keep going until the next town if I wanted to or if it would stop me.
Also, is the game gated by beating gyms? I just got to Misty's gym, but I'm wondering if I could just keep going until the next town if I wanted to or if it would stop me.
MillionStabs
Banned
I think if you use the Moon Stone, it'll show your party and Unable/Able next to Pokemon that are able to use it.
Other than that, can't think of any way to tell.
You also have to be faster than the other Pokemon for it to work. If you're not, then that strategy doesn't work unless you also use an X Speed.
Anyway, I just caught both Tauros and Scyther this afternoon just before I was going to give up on them. Nice! I'm going to insert Tauros into my current team, replacing Charizard. Scyther I'll just be keeping for transferring to Sun/Moon.
Basically 20 hours in at this point and I still only have 5 badges, simply because I had been trying to get certain Pokemon. I think I'm going to do the Pokemon Mansion next and then head to the Power Plant.
In these games, you're only ever gated (in terms of progression) by HMs and certain key items. After you've beaten Misty, you can go to Vermilion next as long as you've done Nugget Bridge and gotten the S.S Ticket as you need to get HM01, Cut, on the S.S Anne in Vermilion. I mean, you can skip Nugget Bridge and come back to it but you'll be gated from the 3rd gym until you get Cut.
It's after the first three gyms and you've gotten past Rock Tunnel that nothing really gates you other than needing the Poke Flute for the Snorlaxes (which forces you to do the Lavender Tower). It all depends on what you want to do after Rock Tunnel that will determine what is gated to you. For example, if you want to Surf to Cinnabar you need to do the following:
-Beat the Rocket Hideout in the Game Corner to get the Silph Scope
-Proceed to Lavender Tower to get the Poke Flute with your now obtained Silph Scope
-Either take Cycling Road to Fuchsia or the route from Lavender Town. Either way requires the Poke Flute for a Snorlax.
-Beat Koga, now you can surf from either Pallet Town to Cinnabar or Fuchsia to Seafoam Islands to Cinnabar.
So, it boils down to what I said: key items and HMs, which some gyms restrict you from using HMs outside of battles.
Mostly, but not necessarily. There are gyms you have to beat to progress in the game and there are gyms which you can leave for later. The game is mostly about beating the gyms though, so keep that in mind.
Getting gym badges allows you to use HMs outside of battle which are necessary for progress.
In gen 1 though you can often go far past a gym before you actually hit a roadblock. The only case of beating a gym being directly tied to progress is the first gym and of course getting to the Pokemon League (which requires all 8 badges).
They can give boss mons perfect IVs which your mons will never realistically have.
AHappyPanda
Member
Well, you're going to hit a level cap restriction where your Pokemon don't listen to you, so technically the game is gated by gyms since you need the badges.
SoundPulse
Banned
After you get through the Rock Tunnel, the game backs off and lets you run free for a little bit. You're still blocked off from fighting Sabrina and going to Fuschia until you do some things, but you're not being herded anywhere.
If you really wanted to, you can fight the next three Gym leaders after Surge in whatever order you want.
Yes.
That is only for traded Pokemon. The game is gated by gyms in that you can't use HMs outside of battle without some of them and you need all the badges to reach Victory Road.
I was like Level 33-34 with most of my Pokemon before I fought Koga and I skipped Erika (fighting her after him) and all of my Pokemon obeyed me still except for the one I in-game traded for (Machamp). The level cap restrictions I believe are only for traded Pokemon.
CloudyTuba
Member
You really thing that the majority of pokemon players around the world actually care deeply about IVs? And that Pokemon would be a dead franchise without them?
I think you need to reevaluate who you consider to be the majority of pokemon players. I think your view is currently extending only as far as the edge of your own bubble.
What good is it to NOT be a single player only thing? Lol
Anything less than 31 IVs across the board and you are statistically at a disadvantage. And even if you accept that congratulations your "good enough" Pokemon was pretty much a waste of time and energy in multiplayer because 3 million newbs who don't give a shit about single player just hacked and cheated their way to snatching your soul online.
Even with breeding good IVs getting easy, which is great, its also kind of helped it becomeeven more pointless. Really what's the point of making everyone go through a mundane cyclical process in order to all achieve the same exact end result? It's not like people are looking for a diverse set of IV spreads. Everyone wants 31 IV in everything possible. It's redundant.
So it's like. They can't just hand us 31 IV/no IV Pokemon . ok. But if I just repeat this easy 30 minute boring ass process exploiting the hell out of mating my Pokemon I can have it? What's even the point lol. Treat IVs like levels on multiplayer and even the field for battle.
Find a different way to make Pokemon unique, even if with their stats.
MillionStabs
Banned
Messd around a bit more with the Mew glitch in Cerulean, and I found out that doing it with the Hiker on the low path to Bills with 4 Geodudes would give me a Gengar! And since Gengar is a 3rd Evolution, I was able to get him to level 100!
Feels appropriate since Gengar was my first Pokemon card. Gonna enjoy having him in Sun/Moon
Feels appropriate since Gengar was my first Pokemon card. Gonna enjoy having him in Sun/Moon
SoundPulse
Banned
Yeah, it's just for Outsider Pokemon. It's a bit confusing, since the game's not terribly good at explaining it ("The CascadeBadge makes all Pokémon up to L30 obey! That includes even outsiders!"), and logically, it should apply to the pokemon you catch given the whole respect context.
Junahu
Member
You're not meant to intuit Moon stone evolutions by any normal means, because they are an extraterrestrial ore that people don't fully understand yet. But you can safely guess that there are pokemon around and inside Mt Moon that evolve via the stone. Just randomly using it on the new pokemon you find there will reveal evolutions for
Jigglypuff and Clefairy.
As for
Nidorino/Nidorina
You get a slight hint from a trainer who is trying to evolve
Nidorino/Nidorina
Nidoking and Nidoqueen
Or Game Freak could improve their cheat detection. Outside of Speed in specific situations, the difference between 31 and 20 in a stat is almost negligible. My honest opinion is that if you're that desperate for perfection, you should be prepared to put in the graft. It doesn't even make that much of a difference.
Matchew
Member
Whatttttt. How?
I agree. A cheat-free environment would be amazing. Would give every Pokemon a lot more value and trades/battles would hold more weight
Junahu
Member
Yeah, people grossly overestimate the effect of IVs on battling. They primarily affect damage ranges, which you shouldn't rely on as a competitive player.
It's a convenient scapegoat for people who have problems with team composition, or can't make accurate reads under pressure.
They have an effect though, do they not? It might certainly be a scapegoat for someone out there who can't win and thinks it's the IV points (probably not though) but to me it's as simple as stats in an RPG game that are arbitrarily locked behind hours of eggs in order to be on the same level as people who hack.
I agree with wiseblade though if there were no hacking or cheating and they somehow patched pokebank to no longer support hacked mons even with xyoras then there wouldn't be any problems because everyone has the same work to do. Also it would be nice to just take any Pokemon (EV trained to taste of course) and battle without worrying about these stats
It's also just exacerbated by the sheer popularity of the franchise. Even if there's no hacking on a platform, once Pokemon releases on it, there will be soon.
Trainer teleport/fly glitch.
Yeah, out of EVS, IVs and Natures, IVs have the smallest stat influence. Unless you NEED to hit a specific threshold to guarantee a KO on a specific target or to survive a particular attack, you shouldn't care this much about IVs.
I know the majority of the complaints aren't coming from people operating at this level.
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