Pokemon sequel is under development for DS

OMG Aero said:
Mew, Ditto and Smeargle are the only Pokemon that can learn Transform.

The cartoon has a habit of either making all Pokemon good or making it so that something provoked the Pokemon and it is back to being nice by the end of the film. In the games, Darkrai is pretty much the Pokemon of nightmares but in the cartoon it is a good guy who saves the world.
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Confirmation of the Transforming Pokemon: http://www.serebii.net/games/transform.shtml

If you looked for clues, Darkrai was perceived as "bad" by Ash and some townsfolk. Not all saw Darkrai that way. Darkrai, without a sleep clause, is the really the "best" pokemon. Dark Void + Nasty Plot multiple times = entire teams of legendaries or any others being mercilessly swept. In the movie, Darkrai technically endures Palkia and Dialga blasting Spacial Rend and Roar of Time simultaneously. Outside of a maxed out Blissey, Wobuffet, Shuckle, or Arceus, what is gonna survive that? Granted, Arceus is Arceus. The others are just tanks. The game makes Darkrai weaker than the movie.
 
grandjedi6 said:
Pokémon, What Happened To You?
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The people who think Pokemon has gotten worse than it was at its debut is fucking retarded. There are more features and reasons to play now than there ever was in 1997.
 
Dogenzaka said:
The people who think Pokemon has gotten worse than it was at its debut is fucking retarded. There are more features and reasons to play now than there ever was in 1997.
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I think it's more like it hasn't gotten better enough proportional too the length of time we've been fans of it.
 
Anyone who thinks that Gen1 = best needs to be slapped hard much like a GEE WUN Transformers fanboy needs to be slapped.

Enjoy your broken gameplay and imbalanced Pokemon!
 
udivision said:
I think it's more like it hasn't gotten better enough proportional too the length of time we've been fans of it.
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Really?

Adding over 300 new monsters to choose from, 2 new types, online battling and trading, EV-training, natures, Pokemon contests, tweakable personality assets through mixing of berries and food, holdable items, more creative evolutions, double-battles, new gym leader types, new HM moves and way to explore the environment, pre-evolutions, Mystery Gift, different types of Pokeballs, breeding and egg moves, Shiny Pokemon, Battle Tower and other battle mini-games, Pokeathalon, day & night Pokemon and events, and other stuff, doesn't constitute as an evolution for the series without breaking the formula?
 
Dogenzaka said:
Really?

Adding over 300 new monsters to choose from, 2 new types, online battling and trading, EV-training, natures, Pokemon contests, tweakable personality assets through mixing of berries and food, holdable items, more creative evolutions, double-battles, new gym leader types, new HM moves and way to explore the environment, pre-evolutions, Mystery Gift, different types of Pokeballs, breeding and egg moves, Shiny Pokemon, Battle Tower and other battle mini-games, Pokeathalon, day & night Pokemon and events, and other stuff, doesn't constitute as an evolution for the series without breaking the formula?
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Imagine a world where everyone is happy with an amazing product. This is far from that world. In this world, a decent amount of people will either say "They broke what was great about the games!" or "It hasn't changed enough!". In this world, the people who complain about this particular product Likely haven't even gotten intimate with all it has to offer. q:\

They are entitled to their opinion and maybe they just want a different type of game.
 
Dogenzaka said:
Really?

Adding over 300 new monsters to choose from, 2 new types, online battling and trading, EV-training, natures, Pokemon contests, tweakable personality assets through mixing of berries and food, holdable items, more creative evolutions, double-battles, new gym leader types, new HM moves and way to explore the environment, pre-evolutions, Mystery Gift, different types of Pokeballs, breeding and egg moves, Shiny Pokemon, Battle Tower and other battle mini-games, Pokeathalon, day & night Pokemon and events, and other stuff, doesn't constitute as an evolution for the series without breaking the formula?
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Apparently not.
 
Dogenzaka said:
Really?

Adding over 300 new monsters to choose from, 2 new types, online battling and trading, EV-training, natures, Pokemon contests, tweakable personality assets through mixing of berries and food, holdable items, more creative evolutions, double-battles, new gym leader types, new HM moves and way to explore the environment, pre-evolutions, Mystery Gift, different types of Pokeballs, breeding and egg moves, Shiny Pokemon, Battle Tower and other battle mini-games, Pokeathalon, day & night Pokemon and events, and other stuff, doesn't constitute as an evolution for the series without breaking the formula?
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...

But is it really?

Is it reallly?

I wish they put in a FFXIII-like battle system.
 
Kyzer said:
idk...the original transformers was pretty awesome.



Anyways, I hope Gen 5 features a backtrack to Sinnoh or Hoenn.
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It was, but Beast Wars is superior!

Also, I have a feeling Gen 5 will be isolated.
 
Dogenzaka said:
Really?

Adding over 300 new monsters to choose from, 2 new types, online battling and trading, EV-training, natures, Pokemon contests, tweakable personality assets through mixing of berries and food, holdable items, more creative evolutions, double-battles, new gym leader types, new HM moves and way to explore the environment, pre-evolutions, Mystery Gift, different types of Pokeballs, breeding and egg moves, Shiny Pokemon, Battle Tower and other battle mini-games, Pokeathalon, day & night Pokemon and events, and other stuff, doesn't constitute as an evolution for the series without breaking the formula?
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When half of that stuff (EV-training/breeding/manipulation, the effects of natures and shinies) is entirely hidden from the user, it does lead to broken gameplay.
 
Kyzer said:
...

But is it really?

Is it reallly?

I wish they put in a FFXIII-like battle system.
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But that would damage the entire battle community who have trained with and mastered the original battle system. A spinoff would be a much better option for something like this.
 
PounchEnvy said:
But that would damage the entire battle community who have trained with and mastered the original battle system. A spinoff would be a much better option for something like this.
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I really don't care. If that's the case, then the game will always be the same, and as much as I love Pokemon, it seems like for every iteration the "new features" are just mechanics that make the game less annoying to play. They could definitely mess with a lot and still keep the same general formula.

And FFS they keep TAKING OUT features, its like, damn, what is this Madden?
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Porygon and Porygon2 can, I believe. Mew also used to have it in its moveset (at lower levels) back in RBY.
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You are probably thinking of conversion and conversion 2 for the porygon family. :P
 
Kyzer said:
And FFS they keep TAKING OUT features, its like, damn, what is this Madden?
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I never got over Ruby/Sapphire not having day and night. I simply couldn't understand it. That's when I started liking pokemon less.
 
udivision said:
I never got over Ruby/Sapphire not having day and night. I simply couldn't understand it. That's when I started liking pokemon less.
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Same.

But D/P redeemed the series for me. <3
 
udivision said:
I never got over Ruby/Sapphire not having day and night. I simply couldn't understand it. That's when I started liking pokemon less.
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I never played GSC, so I didn't miss the omission of the feature.

But yeah, when someone pointed that out to me, I was like WTF?

Also, I didn't like Emerald as much as the originals. I thought maybe the glory days of the games were over. Then I played Leaf Green and it made it all better.
 
Features wise, Gen 2 was the best tbh. I mean, 16 gyms still hasn't been topped.

Hopefully Gen 5 can top that, but I don't have very high hopes.
 
I think it's fair to say that Gen 4 had more features than the previous 3 combined, unless I'm forgetting some incredible thing that was left out of 4...
 
Zilch said:
I think it's fair to say that Gen 4 had more features than the previous 3 combined, unless I'm forgetting some incredible thing that was left out of 4...
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More freaking badges than gen 2.
 
Anth0ny said:
Features wise, Gen 2 was the best tbh. I mean, 16 gyms still hasn't been topped.

Hopefully Gen 5 can top that, but I don't have very high hopes.
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I think you mean content-wise. I heard, though, that Gen 2 Kanto was basically gutted (no Viridian Forest, no Lavender Town Ghost Tower, no Safari Zone, no Cinnabar Island, no Power Plant etc.)

How true is that?
 
It's quite true.

It was a cool surprise, obviously, but I think it would be ridiculous to give future games bad marks because they don't have past regions hidden in them.

The newest games don't need tons of badges anyhow; the battle tower areas provide plenty of challenging battles in the endgame.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
When half of that stuff (EV-training/breeding/manipulation, the effects of natures and shinies) is entirely hidden from the user, it does lead to broken gameplay.
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This is not half of that stuff that he mentioned and breeding is not hidden. Shinies are meant to be a surprise variation. Kind of a cool little touch, not meant to be given out to everyone. A lot of games are missing that element of hidden depth that pokemon has. The evs and IV's are hidden because they want everyones team to be unique in some way, but if everyone knows about every aspect of a pokemons stats, it takes that element of a unique team down a notch

If egg moves are what you meant when you said breeding, than sure they should have a guy in the game who says "i heard that pokemon can breed moves to each other" if they don't already. The game play is not broken and a lot of the time the general public is better off not knowing of the hidden depth, because they might be afraid to jump in if they did.

You could argue that once you know of IV's and ev training, they make it a bit too hard to create a team. I agree with this argument, since ev traning can be dumbed down, but IV training and egg breeding and breeding for natures is a pain, especially when you finally make a team and it isn't all that great.

The system isn't perfect, but it is very good and I would hope that it will only improve with time. This is just my opinion and it is not more correct than yours, just my take on things.
 
Zilch said:
It's quite true.

It was a cool surprise, obviously, but I think it would be ridiculous to give future games bad marks because they don't have past regions hidden in them.

The newest games don't need tons of badges anyhow; the battle tower areas provide plenty of challenging battles in the endgame.
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Well, judging from the GSC Beta thread we had a while back, it's pretty obvious that when Nintendo delayed the release of GS, Game Freak used that time to polish, polish, polish Johto and found they had some time left over to include Kanto. Thing is, they then ran out of time and Kanto was incomplete.

FootNinja said:
This is not half of that stuff that he mentioned and breeding is not hidden. Shinies are meant to be a surprise variation. Kind of a cool little touch, not meant to be given out to everyone. A lot of games are missing that element of hidden depth that pokemon has. The evs and IV's are hidden because they want everyones team to be unique in some way, but if everyone knows about every aspect of a pokemons stats, it takes that element of a unique team down a notch

If egg moves are what you meant when you said breeding, than sure they should have a guy in the game who says "i heard that pokemon can breed moves to each other" if they don't already. The game play is not broken and a lot of the time the general public is better off not knowing of the hidden depth, because they might be afraid to jump in if they did.

You could argue that once you know of IV's and ev training, they make it a bit too hard to create a team. I agree with this argument, since ev traning can be dumbed down, but IV training and egg breeding and breeding for natures is a pain, especially when you finally make a team and it isn't all that great.

The system isn't perfect, but it is very good and I would hope that it will only improve with time. This is just my opinion and it is not more correct than yours, just my take on things.
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Building a good, competitive team is 90% of the game. When I have to have a stash of 49 rare candies on hand just so I can work out the IVs of every damn egg I hatch (just to reset again), it makes me cranky. EVs being hidden from the user (even the mechanics behind building up an individual stat) make me even madder, since it makes you deliberately not engage in battles.

I would even be happy with just an EV calculator to chart my progress.
 
I love most of the gameplay additions made in gen 2-4, my only complain is the shitty pokemon design. It was awesome when they looked more like real animals or Dragon Quest Mosnters instead of the Picasso/Miró cubism abortions that plague everything post-Gold/Silver.

The new fox thing that appears in the movie is absolutely uninspired, it's like Ninetales and Shiftry after an episode of "Will it blend?"
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Well, judging from the GSC Beta thread we had a while back, it's pretty obvious that when Nintendo delayed the release of GS, Game Freak used that time to polish, polish, polish Johto and found they had some time left over to include Kanto. Thing is, they then ran out of time and Kanto was incomplete.


Building a good, competitive team is 90% of the game. When I have to have a stash of 49 rare candies on hand just so I can work out the IVs of every damn egg I hatch (just to reset again), it makes me cranky. EVs being hidden from the user (even the mechanics behind building up an individual stat) make me even madder, since it makes you deliberately not engage in battles.

I would even be happy with just an EV calculator to chart my progress.
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You and me both.
 
-Eddman- said:
I love most of the gameplay additions made in gen 2-4, my only complain is the shitty pokemon design. It was awesome when they looked more like real animals or Dragon Quest Mosnters instead of the Picasso/Miró cubism abortions that plague everything post-Gold/Silver.

The new fox thing that appears in the movie is absolutely uninspired, it's like Ninetales and Shiftry after an episode of "Will it blend?"
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So the only reason you like Gen 1 monsters is because you have nothing to judge them against?

Pidgey is a plain looking bird, Rattata is a plain looking rat, Geodude is a rock with arms and eyes. Pretty uninspired stuff but nobody complains about it because of fuzzy nostalgia and not having a Gen 0 they can claim was superior.

I like the new stylized designs a lot.

edit: all I really want to say is that there are duds in every gen. this is a pretty tired argument though.
 
Zilch said:
So the only reason you like Gen 1 monsters is because you have nothing to judge them against?

Pidgey is a plain looking bird, Rattata is a plain looking rat, Geodude is a rock with arms and eyes. Pretty uninspired stuff but nobody complains about it because of fuzzy nostalgia and not having a Gen 0 they can claim was superior.

I like the new stylized designs a lot.

edit: all I really want to say is that there are duds in every gen. this is a pretty tired argument though.
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I liked the sprites from Pocket Monsters Green better than the ones from Pokemon Red and Blue.

There. I said it.
 
Dogenzaka said:
Really?

Adding over 300 new monsters to choose from, 2 new types, online battling and trading, EV-training, natures, Pokemon contests, tweakable personality assets through mixing of berries and food, holdable items, more creative evolutions, double-battles, new gym leader types, new HM moves and way to explore the environment, pre-evolutions, Mystery Gift, different types of Pokeballs, breeding and egg moves, Shiny Pokemon, Battle Tower and other battle mini-games, Pokeathalon, day & night Pokemon and events, and other stuff, doesn't constitute as an evolution for the series without breaking the formula?
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b-but the graphics are still 2D!! improvements don't count unless they're immediately visible from a single glance!!!
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
Search your feelings. You know it to be true. They got rid of the OMGAWESOME Pidgey, Geodude and Bulbasaur sprites and replaced them with the retarded ones the West got. Fail.

I'm totally serious.
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Pokemon Blue has the real sprites. All others are false.
 
At what point in the game gym wise do you people usually drop the starter pokemon? Im sad going into soul silver knwoing that point will inevitably come up faster than expected now that the starter is going back to only one type instead of two by the last evolution.
 
Gamer @ Heart said:
At what point in the game gym wise do you people usually drop the starter pokemon? Im sad going into soul silver knwoing that point will inevitably come up faster than expected now that the starter is going back to only one type instead of two by the last evolution.
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I always keep my starter. I feel too attached to em to just abandon them like that.
 
Gamer @ Heart said:
At what point in the game gym wise do you people usually drop the starter pokemon? Im sad going into soul silver knwoing that point will inevitably come up faster than expected now that the starter is going back to only one type instead of two by the last evolution.
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In Heart Gold I ditched Meganium after beating the Johto league. But then again I ditched my whole team and made a new one.
 
viciouskillersquirrel said:
I liked the sprites from Pocket Monsters Green better than the ones from Pokemon Red and Blue.

There. I said it.
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There's no way you're serious. Every sprite that came before Yellow was hideous.

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compared to:

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And then to:
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To say that green's sprites are the best isn't just an opinion, it's insanity.
 
Gamer @ Heart said:
At what point in the game gym wise do you people usually drop the starter pokemon? Im sad going into soul silver knwoing that point will inevitably come up faster than expected now that the starter is going back to only one type instead of two by the last evolution.
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Never for me since I usually bulk up at first till around the 1st evolution after the 1st gym and then I just use that one the rest of the game(every battle) since it'll have a level advantage of 20 or so by the last gym by doing so. It's more of a challenge that way if I go into say a electric pokemon gym with the water starter.
 
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