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[TLZ]

And in Pokémon you can trade and get them all with no loot shit. So, yeah. What EA does is much, much worse.

Dude. You're talking about a single player mode game vs a lootcrap mode. They're not the same. Every player is available in the database outside FUT. FUT is nothing but a gacha game. I have the option to not play FUT and have access to everything.

On the other hand, If I buy one of the poke games, I'll be missing out on a few that are exclusive in the other, in single player story mode. Correct?

 

[Bodatan]

So in one game Hazard isn't in Real and another Van Dyke isn't in Liverpool? They're all available in all games. That's just a poster. And FUT is lootcrap.

Dude are really this dense go take a look at that further it goes beyond just a poster.

Imagine Gamefreak started selling Pokemon Pack based on edition, your standard edition Charizard vs Ultimate Edition Charizard

AAA games like Cod, FIFA, BF, NBA, and etc are thousands time worse than Gamefreak.

 

[jts]

Dude. You're talking about a single player mode game vs a lootcrap mode. They're not the same. Every player is available in the database outside FUT. FUT is nothing but a gacha game. I have the option to not play FUT and have access to everything.

On the other hand, If I buy one of the poke games, I'll be missing out on a few that are exclusive in the other, in single player story mode. Correct?

Right, so FIFA is an yearly rehash at $60 a pop (base edition) with gacha mechanics on top for extra scraping of some of the players pockets, but Pokémon is the bad guy here because it has a mechanic built to encourage players trading between different versions at no added cost. I mean, of course you will find people who can't help themselves to double dip (which defeats the purpose anyway because it's not like you can roll both of them story modes into one) but the general case is that people choose one version, have fun trading and that's about it.

 

[Bodatan]

Using FIFA as an argument to criticize Pokemon sales practice

It's like using Hillary Clinton Benghazi fiasco to criticize Donald Trump's in Syrian conflict

 

[Polygonal_Sprite]

I've never really been into Pokémon but I bought it and I'm really, really enjoying it.

Unbelievable sales!

 

[Starlight Lotice]

An exercise in goal post moving.

A couple of weeks ago:

Thanks for acknowledging me enough to use my Post History against me, I am honoured.

I forgot that an opinion = facts. Keywords to remember here, "may boycott", not a definition of "will". (never disputed the games success, but the ratio of boycotting is still higher than say...The Outer Worlds)

Nice try though. Perhaps look at my post history to tell the difference when I am more serious. The latter is one of them, the former isn't.

Pretty sad to even bother tracing people to be honest. Live and let live and all that.

Well, it probably won't be six million of them.

Of course. Not to say it was never going to sell well, but I still feel that long term the prices may be slashed.

 

[Bodatan]

Thanks for acknowledging me enough to use my Post History against me, I am honoured.

I forgot that an opinion = facts. Keywords to remember here, "may boycott", not a definition of "will". (never disputed the games success, but the ratio of boycotting is still higher than say...The Outer Worlds)

Nice try though. Perhaps look at my post history to tell the difference when I am more serious. The latter is one of them, the former isn't.

Pretty sad to even bother tracing people to be honest. Live and let live and all that.



Of course. Not to say it was never going to sell well, but I still feel that long term the prices may be slashed.

Take a look at Nintendo 1st party price vs Sony and MS.

 

[TheContact]

which is maybe cheating a bit. But still.

I wonder how many people buy both versions

 

[MagiusNecros]

I wonder how many people buy both versions

Quite a few. If you have no friends and want all the Pokemon you'll have to buy both because lol no GTS.

Game will sell solely based on brand name recognition for a majority. Longtime fans that disagree with the lack of content and core principles the series has always had which are suddenly missing and the perceived lack of care from animation to game design such as myself are just a minority. Vocal minority.

That minority would probably have received the game better if they went about it differently and simply stated this new region has it's own ecosystem of Pokemon. In the same vein that Hoenn did.

Instead of making a PSA that they are actively removing Pokemon. 65% of them.

 

[demigod]

I bought the Target double pack.

 

[digital_ghost]

Congrats on the sales, Nintendo.

Gosh dammit I got a freaking boner from a pickachu now.

'Sigh' anyone know any therapists that deal with poke-sexuals?

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

Presumably this will end up being the best selling Switch title so far but Let's Go didn't do as well so obviously there is something that is causing people to say I didn't get Let's Go but I will get this one.

Even as a fan Let's Go was awful. I guess it was targeted at casuals but don't think they converted many people from the Pokemon Go craze at all. I'm sure Go still makes Niantic some money, but they had the worlds attention for a moment and blew it because the game was half baked.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

Quite a few. If you have no friends and want all the Pokemon you'll have to buy both because lol no GTS.

Game will sell solely based on brand name recognition for a majority. Longtime fans that disagree with the lack of content and core principles the series has always had which are suddenly missing and the perceived lack of care from animation to game design such as myself are just a minority. Vocal minority.

That minority would probably have received the game better if they went about it differently and simply stated this new region has it's own ecosystem of Pokemon. In the same vein that Hoenn did.

Instead of making a PSA that they are actively removing Pokemon. 65% of them.

I bought the Target double pack.

Is that really the only reason? I suppose having no friends is a great way to save some money but to then turn around and spend that money on the same game twice for a few designs?! Surely there is a better way. Maybe start a thread to trade Pokemon across games or something.

 

[Hestar69]

Im about 9hrs in and this is my first pokemon game since Gen 1 and I'm enjoying it so far. NOW the game is far from perfect and HOLY SHIT the framerate in the wilds is HORRIBLE. Come on nintendo/Gamefreak there is no excuse for that crap. BOTW & Links awaking had lag but none as bad as this crap!

 

[YukiOnna]

A lot of people still seem to think the complaints were all about Dexit, but most don't care about that. What people want is better visuals and better animations. The missing Pokemon are a small part of the big picture. Game Freak used the missing Pokemon as an excuse for making better graphics and animations which would be Great! ...if they actually did that, But they didn't.

Its pretty clear this game is comparable to what we were getting on 3DS and yet they are cutting Pokemon and raising the price 50%. So most people just get caught up thinking people are complaining because of some missing Pokemon when it's really just that we see we're getting the short end of the stick!

That being said it was always undoubtedly going to sell well because at the core, going on a Pokemon adventure is fun. I Just wish some could imagine how much better it could be.

I only mentioned the National Dex issue because that's what I saw most at the time, but fair point. Personally, I think it's perfectly valid to protest/boycott as it's your own decision and there's no real two ways around it from what I read with Game Freak lying about it. It's disappointing on that front even if, for me, the visuals aren't really much of a factor. I just wanted a new Pokemon experience and there's a lot of little and big things that they did that I like a lot, but again it's a valid complaint and worth taking a stand at.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dude. You're talking about a single player mode game vs a lootcrap mode. They're not the same. Every player is available in the database outside FUT. FUT is nothing but a gacha game. I have the option to not play FUT and have access to everything.

On the other hand, If I buy one of the poke games, I'll be missing out on a few that are exclusive in the other, in single player story mode. Correct?

Pokémon is marketed as basically a digital version of two different starter packs with the card games.

 

[FloatingIslands]

Is that really the only reason? I suppose having no friends is a great way to save some money but to then turn around and spend that money on the same game twice for a few designs?! Surely there is a better way. Maybe start a thread to trade Pokemon across games or something.

Yeah, and you only need to connect to other random players via the game to get those exclusive pokemon, you can trade your exclusives. It doesn't make sense to me.

 

[DeVeAn]

When Pokémon Bank was announced some pop star said she will pass on her Pokémon...can't do that now!

I am disappointed with the game. I played through it and it's smallest update to a main Pokémon game yet.

I expect more really.

 

[Mozza]

It does, but as you can say, Pokemon/Nintendo fans will buy whatever low-quality Pokemon-branded thing they're fed. They're the very definition of brand victims.

People are literally going out there to buy BOTH Sword and Shield. That's paying twice as much for two copies of the same game. And yes. That's two copies of the same game. Period.

It's shameful, but it is what it is.

We can't always use the same line people will buy rubbish, perhaps the minority core fans expectations were far to high, and the main Pokemon buying audience which this game is aimed at are correct in liking the game, hell if a great game the core minorities like sells well it's o.k, but heaven forbid a game they personally do not like does good business, I personally feel these games are fine and thave the perfect look for the audience they are designed for, yes there are issues but it should not get in the way of these very enjoyable games, and the sales are reflecting this.

 

[Mozza]

Or it is actually a good game that many enjoy. I know, may be a bit of a surprise to hear that the hate was only a tiny vocal minority.

The only thing shameful is trying to shame others for buying and enjoying a product that you don't.

The core minorities will never understand this, they will not be happy until GameFreak make a Pokemon game with Horizon zero dawn's visuals, which will of course alienate the main Pokemon buyers and make the games sales very poor, oh decisions decisions for GameFreak there I feel.

 

[Mozza]

Pokemon sells? Wow shocking. Wouldn't have guessed judging their moneycash over the decades.

Surprising would be find someone who though it wouldn't.

Its funny though. It tells alot about the fanbase.

This is why the core minorities will never quite understand it, we feel just because we personally are the video game experts that everybody else should just like what we do, we totally overlook the fact this game is made for a younger audience and perhaps it's been designed this way for a reason, of course in the end we can always fall back on the old tried and tested line "all the people buying the game are easily pleased or stupid,or both", not realizing that not everybody's total hobby or life revolves around playing and discussing video games, some people just want to buy a game and have some fun with it, which judging by the initial sales they are.

 

[Roufianos]

Got all of the gym badges so I'm approaching the end.

I'm starting to think this game is shit. The Pokemon are the ugliest yet, I went through basically the whole game without spoiling myself and time and time again I found my Pokemon evolving into hideous monstrosities. I just looked up the full dex now and there's a fucking penguin with an ice cube head? It seems like they're doubling down on the ice cream and Klefki designs that everybody hates.

Then there's the barebones story and the villain group who are almost non-existent. What the hell was the point of Team Yell?

And the graphics? The hardware is two generations of 3DS but this still uses all of the same animations as Sun and Moon. It looks like crap.

 

[Saber]

This is why the core minorities will never quite understand it, we feel just because we personally are the video game experts that everybody else should just like what we do, we totally overlook the fact this game is made for a younger audience and perhaps it's been designed this way for a reason, of course in the end we can always fall back on the old tried and tested line "all the people buying the game are easily pleased or stupid,or both", not realizing that not everybody's total hobby or life revolves around playing and discussing video games, some people just want to buy a game and have some fun with it, which judging by the initial sales they are.

If thats the best you can provide then again GF has no reason to improve and neither reason to fix all their problems. Afterall their target, according to you, "don't care". I could say they're pretty much brand slaves.

If fun is the sole reason to give a game good scores, then a bunch of games with technical problems would get praise. I had a lot of fun playing Sonic Riders for instance. But would I give high score? Nah, I agree with all criticism against it. Countless times I see people playing games, having fun for different reasons yet I never saw an attitude like that.

And "its for kids" is such a pitful excuse. Disney movies are aimed at kids yet they aways improve. Shit, Mario games are goofy yet charming but never used that excuse when developing games. Being aimed at kids its not such a stupid reasoning to not aim higher, to not improve.

I keep what I said. The high sales says more about their consumers than you think. At this point GF could make a shit 3 hour broken game with Pokemon name on it and it would still sell. Thats the brand power.

 

[Zannegan]

The core minorities will never understand this, they will not be happy until GameFreak make a Pokemon game with Horizon zero dawn's visuals, which will of course alienate the main Pokemon buyers and make the games sales very poor, oh decisions decisions for GameFreak there I feel.

If you gave the series Horizon's gameplay you would alienate the fanbase, but how on earth would putting out a game with its graphics alienate anyone? Of all the criticisms people leveled at Horizon, graphics is not one of them, and of all the things people love about Pokemon, visuals rarely make the list.

If anything, putting out a game with such detailed monster models and animations would increase the potential consumer base for these games by a fair number. The only question is, would it bring in enough new people to offset the increased developement costs?

Alas, probably not, not in Gamefreak's eyes anyway.

 

[Life]

Can someone briefly explain the appeal of this repetitive/simple rpg? I tried the 3DS version (POkemon Y) for about 2/3 hours. It was dead easy, childish, combat seemed very basic, story/premise is basically the same as any other Pokemon game(?).

I could imagine myself playing this for dozens of hours, and going through the same experience each hour. Am I wrong? Needless to say, I stopped playing after the 3 hour mark.

 

[Saber]

Can someone briefly explain the appeal of this repetitive/simple rpg?

In a nutshell? Catching your mons(meaning catching what you like)and trying to "catch them all" its what makes it distinct from other rpgs. Because the gameplay has being the stale since ages and the story is brainless after B/W.

At least it was what I though. SwSh shows that pokemon has no appeal, just "consume products and get excited for the next product".

 

[Life]

In a nutshell? Catching your mons(meaning catching what you like)and trying to "catch them all" its what makes it distinct from other rpgs. Because the gameplay has being the stale since ages and the story is brainless after B/W.

At least it was what I though. SwSh shows that pokemon has no appeal, just "consume products and get excited for the next product".

But their attacks are generic..why would people get excited over catching the same Pokemon every few years? It's criminal that games which try deeper combat design get 6s and 7s - and this game consistently gets high scores.

 

[Mozza]

If you gave the series Horizon's gameplay you would alienate the fanbase, but how on earth would putting out a game with its graphics alienate anyone? Of all the criticisms people leveled at Horizon, graphics is not one of them, and of all the things people love about Pokemon, visuals rarely make the list.

If anything, putting out a game with such detailed monster models and animations would increase the potential consumer base for these games by a fair number. The only question is, would it bring in enough new people to offset the increased developement costs?

Alas, probably not, not in Gamefreak's eyes anyway.

That is why you just do not get it, the main audience does not want ultra realistic graphics, as I said the visuals could be better, but the art style and the Pokemon are perfect for the games main demographic.

 

[Mozza]

If thats the best you can provide then again GF has no reason to improve and neither reason to fix all their problems. Afterall their target, according to you, "don't care". I could say they're pretty much brand slaves.

If fun is the sole reason to give a game good scores, then a bunch of games with technical problems would get praise. I had a lot of fun playing Sonic Riders for instance. But would I give high score? Nah, I agree with all criticism against it. Countless times I see people playing games, having fun for different reasons yet I never saw an attitude like that.

And "its for kids" is such a pitful excuse. Disney movies are aimed at kids yet they aways improve. Shit, Mario games are goofy yet charming but never used that excuse when developing games. Being aimed at kids its not such a stupid reasoning to not aim higher, to not improve.

I keep what I said. The high sales says more about their consumers than you think. At this point GF could make a shit 3 hour broken game with Pokemon name on it and it would still sell. Thats the brand power.

Don't agree, the game is not perfect but far from the broken mess the minorities say it is, the game will not sell without some quality, hence why this game will outsell the let's go titles, and become one of the biggest sellers on the Switch.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Dude are really this dense go take a look at that further it goes beyond just a poster.

Imagine Gamefreak started selling Pokemon Pack based on edition, your standard edition Charizard vs Ultimate Edition Charizard

AAA games like Cod, FIFA, BF, NBA, and etc are thousands time worse than Gamefreak.

It is quite literally just a poster.

There is no "standard van dijk" and "ultimate edition van dijk" that's locked behind one of the game's edition. The difference is literally some crappy (and terrible) lootboxes.

 

[V4skunk]

Take a look at Nintendo 1st party price vs Sony and MS.

And when you are done with Nintendo games they sell used for around 2/3 retail price. A used PS4 or Xbone game is worth £3-5.....

 

[Saber]

But their attacks are generic..why would people get excited over catching the same Pokemon every few years? It's criminal that games which try deeper combat design get 6s and 7s - and this game consistently gets high scores.

Wasn't that all the point of wondering? Hows a stale gameplay gets 9 out of 10? How a game that offers basically even less content and its a mess in terms of moving to a better plataform that can handle Witcher sells so much?

It's a criminal to even see a crap like that receiving praise while other beautiful crafted games receive far less and are even criticized where pokemon gets a free pass. Like, it's an offense to even compare the open world level that Dragon Quest offers to the big amount of nothing SwSh offers. But when you think about it, people call the game "innovative" when it has for the first time it has a free camera.

Don't agree, the game is not perfect but far from the broken mess the minorities say it is, the game will not sell without some quality, hence why this game will outsell the let's go titles, and become one of the biggest sellers on the Switch.

If all you can spit is "minorities" than I don't think we have much to discuss. It becomes a best seller because it's a pokemon(brand name) and it's shield from all the valid criticism other biggies would dream of to avoid. No amount of "fun" can devoid anyone who have a pair of eyes to see for themselves what the game has to offer.

 

[Bodatan]

It is quite literally just a poster.

There is no "standard van dijk" and "ultimate edition van dijk" that's locked behind one of the game's edition. The difference is literally some crappy (and terrible) lootboxes.

OMega lul

 

[Mozza]

Wasn't that all the point of wondering? Hows a stale gameplay gets 9 out of 10? How a game that offers basically even less content and its a mess in terms of moving to a better plataform that can handle Witcher sells so much?

It's a criminal to even see a crap like that receiving praise while other beautiful crafted games receive far less and are even criticized where pokemon gets a free pass. Like, it's an offense to even compare the open world level that Dragon Quest offers to the big amount of nothing SwSh offers. But when you think about it, people call the game "innovative" when it has for the first time it has a free camera.



If all you can spit is "minorities" than I don't think we have much to discuss. It becomes a best seller because it's a pokemon(brand name) and it's shield from all the valid criticism other biggies would dream of to avoid. No amount of "fun" can devoid anyone who have a pair of eyes to see for themselves what the game has to offer.

It's not a personal attack at anyone, it's just a fact it's only the internet minorities that are up in arms over these games, they are currently on around 81 on Metacritic which suggests the game is pretty decent overall.

 

[Saber]

It's not a personal attack at anyone, it's just a fact it's only the internet minorities that are up in arms over these games, they are currently on around 81 on Metacritic which suggests the game is pretty decent overall.

The same place also offers you a pretty clear perspective of the miniorities you so love to spam. I know you never did, but you should read some users reviews. Some of them are way more useful and complete than an actual review(and this is not just for pokemon).

 

[Mozza]

The same place also offers you a pretty clear perspective of the miniorities you so love to spam. You should read some users reviews, they are way more useful and complete than an actual review(and this is not just for pokemon).

Not spamming anyone as you put it, just offering a counter opinion to yours, which I thought was the whole point of discussion forums in the first place, as for user reviews they can be a untrustworthy as anything else, and yes great rationale trust user reviews and ignore everything else that does not support your own dislike for these games, these games are getting user review bombed to hell.

 

[Saber]

Not spamming anyone as you put it, just offering a counter opinion to yours, which I thought was the whole point of discussion forums in the first place, as for user reviews they can be a untrustworthy as anything else, and yes great rationale trust user reviews and ignore everything else that does not support your own dislike for these games, these games are getting user review bombed to hell.

Most of those people paid for the game. While dickasses like IGN receive copies for free and you don't even know if they're doing on purpose, since their sites clearly says they win money over it. Also, the same rules applies to user scores. You don't go reading a review saying like "I give 0~2 because its a trash and I don't like". I'm talking about a full overview of everything the game has to offer. Some of them don't even gave low scores.

But ok, go forth with "trustwhosthy" review that IGN clains its nothing but opinion and anyone who criticizes them are part of a conspiracy(that was really said by them). Also, the same can be said about people supporting only high scores because it supports a game they like.

 

[Mozza]

Most of those people paid for the game. While dickasses like IGN receive copies for free and you don't even know if they're doing on purpose, since their sites clearly says they win money over it. Also, the same rules applies to user scores. You don't go reading a review saying like "I give 0~2 because its a trash and I don't like". I'm talking about a full overview of everything the game has to offer. Some of them don't even gave low scores.

But ok, go forth with "trustwhosthy" review that IGN clains its nothing but opinion and anyone who criticizes them are part of a conspiracy(that was really said by them). Also, the same can be said about people supporting only high scores because it supports a game they like.

I never quoted the IGN review, I simply stated the game had a review average of around 81 and by this measure it is not perfect, but by the same token not totally broken either, it does seem however people that do not like the game seem to feel nobody can enjoy it either.

 

[SweetShark]

It seems the haters bought the game(s) with money fueled with hatred.
That will show them!!!

 

[SweetShark]

If you can ignore this

1. Broken exp system not optional
2. Linear and smallest region in the franchise
3. 3 major cities, less than any other game
4. One town is literally a pokémon center and a gym
5. 10 routes, less than any other game
6. Routes are literally hallways
7. Wild area is an empty laggy multiplayer lobby
8. No exploration at all
9. No dungeons
10. No day/night cycle until postgame
11. No GTS
12. Pay multiplayer and pay Home or they'll delete your old pokémon
13. Only 1 optional legendary hunt, less than any other game
14. 2 legendaries per game, less than any other game
15. Mediocre story
16. No elite 4, and replacements heal you between fights
17. Postgame as short as XY
18. Most generic battle tower in the franchise
19. Cut a lot of moves
20. Cut over half of the dex "to improve" visuals
21. Graphics barely improved
22. Same models
23. Same animations except a few specific attacks
24. Worst pokémon designs in the franchise
25. Kanto pandering in form of regional forms
26. Kanto pandering in form of new shitty exclusive and temporal mechanic
27. Buggy game can crash other devices in the wireless network

...it is a great game!

6 million units sold!

Things will never get better because people will buy anything with the name Pokemon on it!

BIGGEST FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Is it fun?

 

[Azelover]

Yes, the Pokedex is gimped, and the trees look worse than N64 level. Therefore this is E.T..

Get ready for an industry crash everybody!

 

[Dr. Claus]

Is it fun?

Yes.

 

[SweetShark]

Yes.

 

[teacupcopter]

I think it's frustrating the game is selling so well because it's such a lazy and unambitious effort from game freak. But it's Pokémon so I guess I should have known. It seems to sell no matter what.

I think it's still a far cry from EA / call of duty level nonsense though. I mean even with no GTS you can still organise trades to get the version exclusives. And lazy doesn't equal predatory, which is what the loot boxes / gacha shit creeping into other AAA games is.

I wonder what next years or the next version will do. I honestly feel if it's another low effort one it won't sell anywhere near as much- yes it's Pokémon so it'll sell but my brother for example hasn't bought a Pokémon game in probably ten years- he bought this and was talking about how he'd love to get the next one on switch before this even came out, and he'd trade to the next one etc and was excited for it.
After playing it he's already said he won't buy the next one unless it plays and looks a lot better.

shit looks like an N64 game at times smh

 

[Saber]

I never quoted the IGN review, I simply stated the game had a review average of around 81 and by this measure it is not perfect, but by the same token not totally broken either, it does seem however people that do not like the game seem to feel nobody can enjoy it either.

Enjoying and "having fun" were never part of problem, something people here are having a hard time to understand. To tell the truth, it sounds like you guys can't have fun as long theres people criticizing. Reminds me of a kotaku article saying "buying guilty" lol

 

[Dr. Claus]

You shouldn't. Best to ignore it and play the game yourself, come to your own conclusion.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Is it fun?

If you enjoyed vanilla Sun/Moon (with half of the mons and no legendaries) sure.

 

[Inanilmaz]

RIP my dreams.. it was good to know you

The apocalypse is near

This didnt aged well