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Police Evict Dakota Pipeline Protesters
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bishopcruz
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Considering the amount of people who were taken in by it, in this very thread? Yeah, I brought it up. Why? Because it's hyperbolic nonsense. Because crap like this when taken seriously hurts the credibility of other claims.
BinaryPork2737
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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if most U.S. citizens weren't at least indifferent to Native American rights, so of course it won't be highlighted by most national news stations. It's been demonstrated time and time again that plenty of people in this country are fine with oppression as long as they're not the ones being oppressed.
Frozenprince
Banned
Honestly, as fucked up as it sounds, I think most people in the US don't even know there are native tribes left. Or the ones that are left are all rich casino owners because that's how we've portrayed them.
hokagespit
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just seems like an excuse to be dismissive about it all. like alot of opinions on here wtf does far left and right have to do with the continued existence of humanity. we are going to fuck ourselves and everyone wants to defend it. why?
you know on their end they are trying to report false acts of violence to make this right, so one side can ourtight lie and another cant say hey that was some rough handling when you stopped us from peacefully protesting to protect the earth
capitalCORN
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Diet racism is just more than a silly meme, it's pandemic. There's cause celebres that are a instant win for the bleeding hearts, and some that are not so popular.
bishopcruz
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It's also being drowned out by the election. If things continue as they have been I predict this will be a much bigger issue over the next few weeks. Hell, the Bundy acquittal should have been much bigger news, as it was both unexpected and controversial, but that was in and out of the news cycle in a heartbeat.
Honestly I heard more about this from celebrities bringing it up, than anything else.
Edit: Not to mention, even outside of election season, land ownership protests rarely get any sort of coverage unless you're crazy ranchers with guns apparently.
Fuck.
Is there anything I can do to help? I'm nowhere near the site but I want to help somehow.
hokagespit
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ive seen people posting phone numbers
701-333-2006 National Guard Public Affairs
701-328-2200 ND Governor
701-667-3330 Sheriff's office in charge of the police on site
202-456-1111 White House
202-456-9431 White House Situation Room
701-328-4726 ND Attorney General. Object to the illegal sale of farmland to a corporation
202-353-1555 Dept of Justice comment line
202-514-2000 Dept of Justice switchboard
Frozenprince
Banned
If Jon Oliver is going to do a 20 minute long piece on the plight of North Dakota's oil workers, the least the guy oculd do is one on the flip of that and give these poor people some much needed pub.
capitalCORN
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There's a legal fund I donated to that was linked on an older thread. I think Media was the one who made the link, not sure. You can also take to social media and try to propagate the story. #nodapl is the hashtag. No real luck myself, but maybe you'll fare better?
BinaryPork2737
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There are these too. The tribes have effectively been stereotyped so much that the average person likely has a distorted view of what their cultures are actually like. I think that the election cycle is distorting coverage of the protests, and I hope it gains more traction nationwide after the election is over, but I really don't know if enough people care.
You could donate to the cause. I know the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe has a donation fund set up. There are others out there, too.
It is treaty land, which was, of course, violated as soon as someone wanted to do something with it.
I was once called upon to proof-read a 19-year-olds story. It was a modern setting, in America, and the main protagonist convinced a local tribe to help with his woes. And the student wrote that the natives showed up on horseback and with bows, in leather and stuff. In 2014. And the writer refused to believe there was anything wrong with that, even though she asked a Native to proofread it for accuracy.
Yeah, people don't know we are still around
Frozenprince
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I was once called upon to proof-read a 19-year-olds story. It was a modern setting, in America, and the main protagonist convinced a local tribe to help with his woes. And the student wrote that the natives showed up on horseback and with bows, in leather and stuff. In 2014. And the writer refused to believe there was anything wrong with that, even though she asked a Native to proofread it for accuracy.
Yeah, people don't know we are still around
Don't feel bad, I get asked a not insignificant amount if I can hula or fire dance.
Edit: Or how fat my family is, that's a big one (the answer, is, of course, fat as all hell).
capitalCORN
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Nothing makes feel more special than, despite being Korean, being greeted with "Ni Hao" by a white person. Really makes feel like they care.
Frozenprince
Banned
Nothing makes feel more special than, despite being Korean, being greeted with "Ni Hao" by a white person. Really makes feel like they care.
Baaaahahahaha. Preach.
Swear to god if I hear Aloha one more time.
Like, bruh, I'm from TEXAS.
capitalCORN
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That's rough. Sometimes I miss the blatant racism of my home country Argentina, because at least you could swing your fists. Here, you just grin and bear it.
kame-sennin
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Did you even skim the thread?
Yikes lol.
It's going o be interesting to see how my new town reacts to my presence. I'm in kinda an upscalish neighborhood that's pretty white, and married to a white guy. Everyone I've met so far has been super nice, but the guys that helped us move in were black and the cops showed up to ask what they were doing, so...
Jerm411
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I was up in North Dakota for work last week about an hour away from all of this and it was barely being talked about where I was at and hardly had any news coverage.....I could not believe it. Insane.
kame-sennin
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hokagespit
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thank you!
People are protesting the oil coming out of the ground. We cannot afford to do that.
Plus it's a big eff you to oil companies
Bernie has released a video about this: https://www.facebook.com/berniesanders/videos/1202272416494427/?hc_ref=SEARCH
Cow Mengde
Banned
Deserves to be quoted again. Already did my part. I also sent an email to Bernie a couple of days ago. Figured he'd be the only one to give a shit about this.
Also, it looks like the UN is getting involved.
http://indigenousamerican.com/2016/10/29/breaking-the-united-nations-is-headed-to-standing-rock/
'Help us save nature by stopping a pipeline that will make it so we do less damage to nature.'
lastflowers
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ahh, darkace, the perennial shitposter.
Sunster
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by building an oil pipeline that is virtually guaranteed to spill right next to a river that supplies drinking water? less damage?
What are you basing this on?
kopitarrulez_11
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Would the pipeline even be built by a water source I would figure the oil company would be smarter than that after the huge BP spill
pr0cs
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Insanity I think.
Don't mistake others' faulty arguments as to why the land belongs to the tribe (it doesn't) for me being misinformed.
Nothing was violated. It was legally reposed for public works.
I'm not here to say that indigenous people haven't been screwed over by the U.S. government, they plainly and obviously have, but that doesn't mean we have to go around making false arguments and spreading half-truths.
Frozenprince
Banned
Sure is fun how that only works one way.
Legally taking it for public works IS violating it.
Not to mention that we shouldn't be wasting any more on new fossil fuel infrastructure.
Why hasn't this gotten any more attention? Was it because it was at the bottom of a page?
If it's true, the Dakota Access Pipeline company hiring someone with an assault rifle to be a fake protester and/or shoot people seems like it should be a massive story.
Wolf Dawgz
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This whole situation is pretty messed, and shows how blatantly obvious it is that Indigenous people get shafted. I really don't know what to say about it, but it's a relatable situation across the Americas and that's why NODAPL has seen so much support from other Indigenous Nations. It's pretty common for Indigenous protest issues to be:
1.Undocumented(Media suppression, No one wanting to talk about it)
2 Misrepresented(being armed thugs, protesting for the sake of protesting)
3. Dehumanized(Does our water matter? no, Do our burial sites? no. Poisoning food supply?no.)
4. Debated by people who don't know or want to know anything about Indigenous issues, or the historical context.
5. Viewed as being rooted only in the past, and not current.
1.Undocumented(Media suppression, No one wanting to talk about it)
2 Misrepresented(being armed thugs, protesting for the sake of protesting)
3. Dehumanized(Does our water matter? no, Do our burial sites? no. Poisoning food supply?no.)
4. Debated by people who don't know or want to know anything about Indigenous issues, or the historical context.
5. Viewed as being rooted only in the past, and not current.
Giant Panda
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The Legal Case for Blocking the Dakota Access Pipeline - The Atlantic
Using that article, it appears that there was a treaty signed with Native American tribes giving them this land, but then a conflict occurred between the US and these tribes that was likely instigated by the US. At the end of the conflict, the US forced a new treaty that gave some of these land in question in this case to the US. A few decades ago, the Supreme Court ruled that the land was illegally taken, but ruled that the US only compensate the tribes monetarily, so the US got to keep the land. The tribes have not accepted monetary compensation, and have demanded that the land itself be returned to them.
There are also allegations that the Tribe wasn't consulted, but other sources claim that the Tribe declined to comment when given the opportunity several times. Right now this point is completely a he-said, she-said case, so it's pretty much a wash.
So I'd conclude that the pipeline has the legal right to the land, but not a moral right to it, due to the faulty compensation awarded by the Supreme Court case.
Pipelines are actually a net benefit for the environment though, so this pipeline should absolutely still be built after adjusting the route.
Using that article, it appears that there was a treaty signed with Native American tribes giving them this land, but then a conflict occurred between the US and these tribes that was likely instigated by the US. At the end of the conflict, the US forced a new treaty that gave some of these land in question in this case to the US. A few decades ago, the Supreme Court ruled that the land was illegally taken, but ruled that the US only compensate the tribes monetarily, so the US got to keep the land. The tribes have not accepted monetary compensation, and have demanded that the land itself be returned to them.
There are also allegations that the Tribe wasn't consulted, but other sources claim that the Tribe declined to comment when given the opportunity several times. Right now this point is completely a he-said, she-said case, so it's pretty much a wash.
So I'd conclude that the pipeline has the legal right to the land, but not a moral right to it, due to the faulty compensation awarded by the Supreme Court case.
Pipelines are actually a net benefit for the environment though, so this pipeline should absolutely still be built after adjusting the route.
I'm not saying you are wrong, but could you explain this point? I don't see how more oil running through people's homes is good for the environment. Maybe less bad than other stuff but a net benefit?
Saucycarpdog
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Can we please focus on the Native Americans plight please?
Look, I get we need to decrease our oil use, but I'm sick and tired of environmentalists piggybacking off this oppression of Native Americans to further their own goals. Stopping this pipeline won't stop the oil drills or the oil economy in North Dakota. That needs to be solved on a bigger level.
It's good with regards to the alternative -- transport by rail. But that is a false choice because they're both transporting oil. The only reason why this pipeline exists is to service domestic oil companies, and not for any environmental good-will.
In reality, there's more than enough existing infrastructure to transport oil.
Sunster
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http://www.ecowatch.com/pipeline-spills-2061960029.html
"220 'Significant' Pipeline Spills Already This Year Exposes Troubling Safety Record"
"Three major U.S. pipeline spills within the last month are just a small part of the 220 significant incidents reported so far this year—and 3,032 since 2006"
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/07/us/dakota-access-pipeline-visual-guide/
"Opponents also say they're worried what would happen if the pipeline, which would go under the Missouri River, ruptured and contaminated the water supply."
capitalCORN
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It's so safe. CEOs will vouch for them!
kame-sennin
Member
Can you back this up with an actual argument or sources?
Legal in this case of course means the government okayed it. Which, of course they did, why the fuck would they give a shit about treaties with a conquered and suffering people?
LegendofJoe
Member
Might makes right. It's been that way forever, and will remain that way for a long time still.
As a species we've gotten better at protecting the downtrodden, but the pace at which that occurs is glacial.
Captin Quacker
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Then why even pretend to care by agreeing to it in the first place?
capitalCORN
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Well, they didn't realize this hunch of worthless dirt would suddenly become 'convenient' in the future.
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