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Wasn't Reagan in fact getting senile before his presidency ended?
I agree.
If she wants to run in 2016 I think she would be the person to beat unless Obama's 2nd term is a complete bust or a moderate comes out of the GOP.
Don't you feel that the storm undercut the convention a little?
I think people said that about her in 2008! But really, it would be her time. Her Time
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He sounds senile. Wow. I don't think he understood what minimum wage is.
Speaking of age and senility, did anyone besides me have no idea that Joe Arpaio is 80 years old? The man doesn't look a day over 70.
I first noticed this in an article about the Feds dropping their financial probe on him. And suddenly it all made sense. Of course he's an especially crazy birther, he's 80 frickin' years old!
I first noticed this in an article about the Feds dropping their financial probe on him. And suddenly it all made sense. Of course he's an especially crazy birther, he's 80 frickin' years old!
Maybe, but I doubt it. The storm didn't stop the networks from airing the convention speeches in prime time. I'd say the lackluster speech by Romney and the lower ratings probably had a bigger impact.
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Yeah. I fully expect the DNC to have a similar drop in ratings. The problem for Romney is that Obama doesn't need super high ratings; people already know him, being the incumbent and all. Romney needs momentum from the conventions going into the final stretch. If Silver's numbers hold up, that didn't happen. I guess he also got the debates, but I don't expect those it change the race wildly unless Obama blunders badly in them, which I seriously doubt.
It wasn't the storm so much as the actual convention. Ryan got beat up by the media for all the lies in his speech and all anyone talks about from the last night is Clint Eastwood. Sure the storm didn't help, but it had no effect on either of those two events.
CHEEZMO
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WTF, I always assumed the guy was some mad 50-something.
Note: I've never seen a picture of him and my only exposure was through him saying crazy shit that I read about on GAF.
Aaron Strife
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I think Obama will get maybe a point or two, if only because the Democrats probably won't have anyone as disastrous as Clint Eastwood in a prime speaking spot.
I can't wait for the debates. Obama's going to run circles around Romney.Averon said:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-mah...it-the-historical-existence-of-george-w-bush/
Devastating stuff from Maher
Devastating stuff from Maher
Four_Chamber
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The difference between this guy and Romney is unbelievable. He's just an unbelievable campaigner.
Can't wait to vote for Obama again.
That stupid C-Span feed literally messed up my sound card (temporarily).
Here's a safer link just in case for anyone else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_tkZ6Bx844
Here's a safer link just in case for anyone else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_tkZ6Bx844
Manmademan
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Yeah, she's qualified but the age argument is a killer. 69 for first term, 73 for re election, and 77 at the end of a second term is very much pushing it. Reagan was way too old for his term and as someone else noted was going senile at some point.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yes. Still there's a pretty significant difference between starting your presidency at 80 and starting it at 69.
Are we talking about marathongate yet? lol
After finding out he supported all of Bush's big spending yet is considered the republican's great fiscal hawk, it's easy to square that circle of Ryan being the fastest marathon runner on Earth with a 4 hour time.
Yeah realistically I think he'll get low ratings, but part of me wonders if some of the disillusioned who voted for him and are weary will tune in just to see what he says. The guy can give a speech with the best of them, and I just wonder if he'll inspire them to at least give it another shot, and possibly move things a tiny bit.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
We can change that.
When faced between a choice of attempting to move in the right direction, and making some progress (like the last 4 years), or dismantling our social safety net...
PhoenixDark
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She should but I dunno if she will. She's clearly the most popular politician in the country, has the most experience, and is best suited to deal with the partisanship of congress
69 isn't too old (in 2016). I'd give her five years of my life to make her 64 in 2016
The Librarian
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Well that's just creepy.
I know... its a weird fantasy world where a Clinton is going to make partisanship better.
That's... that's just a bit much...
Yeah, I think if people tuned in they'll definitely think that. I can see them still kind of voting begrudgingly, but I can't see as many of them completely ignoring it and not voting as before. Again, the guy can give a barnburner of a speech. If he has their ear he'll inspire a few. I think, though, that he has to go through his accomplishments in his speech one by one, and then get into where we're going. Show people that he has done quite a bit of things, and we have progressed. Then make the case that we still have more work to do, and outline what that work entails. I think the young disillusioned if they hear that will listen. Not in droves like in 08, but enough.
Byakuya769
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Obama is going to kill a speech that reflects on what has been accomplished and the work that is yet left to do. Those who have been disheartened by policy disappointment will come away feeling like a lot has been done, and that maybe, just maybe there is hope that even more can be as well.
That's my prediction. I never doubt the man's ability to inspire, and I think the need for this moment will make that inspiration that much more tangible.
That's my prediction. I never doubt the man's ability to inspire, and I think the need for this moment will make that inspiration that much more tangible.
thus, she wins
PhoenixDark
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I have a feeling the media will try their hardest to dislike the speech to some degree; likely they'll argue it's just ok even if it's great. The want a shiny new toy
Byakuya769
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Also, I really want Hillary to give it a go.
Aaron Strife
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It's like you've given up on 2012 so you're CLing about 2016 already. unless i'm misreading you
I remember reading a story shortly after Obama's election saying that the media desperately wanted Obama to fail from the beginning so that when he was defeated for re-election they could paint him as the earnest, young reformer who tried to change Washington but just couldn't. In fact they're already trying to set up Paul Ryan as the same thing, but that's not going over as well, he's very much a part of the establishment.PhoenixDark said:
2016 is a open election for the Dem side of things regardless what happens this year.
RoninChaos
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So I haven't kept my disdain for Ryan private on my Facebook. Some conservative friends of mine are now on the "fact checkers are all liberally biased!" band wagon.
I truly don't understand this entire line of thinking and I fear for where our country is going if so many people will just follow the narrative, lock step, without question.
I truly don't understand this entire line of thinking and I fear for where our country is going if so many people will just follow the narrative, lock step, without question.
adamsappel
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Hilary Clinton on the Supreme Court. Book it.
Aaron Strife
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His comment makes it sound like Obama's second term is going to be bad and Dems will need Hillary to win.
Which I think is hard to be making predictions about.
PhoenixDark
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Pretty interesting that Bush, Obama, and McCain chose vice presidents who apparently had no impact on future races. Cheney wasn't interested, Biden will likely be too old, and Palin is Palin. Ryan breaks that cycle and will be the next nominee if Romney loses...well unless Romney loses due to Ryan's budget
No, I'm saying if Hillary runs in 2016 she wins the primary. And frankly I can't see the GOP beating her no matter who they put up, even Rubio.
Manmademan
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Usually VPs are picked who help the candidate win the CURRENT election, not a hypothetical one 8 years out, so those pics make sense in that context.
Cheney most certainly COULD have run, he just happened to be the most unpopular piece of a toxic administration in 2008 and had no shot.
If McCain had won in 2008, I could see Palin in 2016 paired with a VP that would do all of the actual work, just as bush was packaged in 2000
PhoenixDark
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Depends on how a second Obama term goes. If we get a recovery as many suggest, tjings could look rosy for dems. But let's not forget things looked rosy for dems in 1999 too, then Clinton fucked everything up with a scandal.
So basically Obama needs to have his own Lewinsky.
I doubt he'd do that, but even if he did, he paid attention to the 90's.
He'd just have to admit he did have an affair under oath, and it would hurt his reputation but would not make him impeachable.
You are uber paranoid for even thinking that through. Troll post?
No way Ryan's the nominee if they don't win Wisconsin. I would guess Rubio/Christie is next. In fact, I would bet anything that Rubio turned Romney down this time
PS: I'm watching clips of the Current convention coverage. Jennifer Granholm is ridiculously MILFy lol
Aaron Strife
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I think Obama's a little more restrained than Clinton.
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