PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down

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Clevinger said:
about the new calorie labels at MacDonalds
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I love how the top comment is some douche saying "California has had nutritional labels for years, no one is changing their eating habits because of them"


Meanwhile, for lunch today, I went to Olive Garden, ordered the lowest calorie pasta, with the lowest calorie vegetarian Sauce....I made those decisions because they were the lowest calorie items and because the calories were right in front of me.



Yesterday I walked into a sandwich shop for lunch, walked out because I didn't want to eat that many calories for a mediocre sandwich then walked in to a fresh juice/vegetarian sandwich shop and got a full meal for about half the calories as the first sandwich shop.


Just because you're too stupid or stubborn to make decisions based on health when the nutritional information is in front of you, don't assume I'm the same way, jackass.
 
Vahagn said:
I love how the top comment is some douche saying "California has had nutritional labels for years, no one is changing their eating habits because of them"


Meanwhile, for lunch today, I went to Olive Garden, ordered the lowest calorie pasta, with the lowest calorie vegetarian Sauce....I made those decisions because they were the lowest calorie items and because the calories were right in front of me.



Yesterday I walked into a sandwich shop for lunch, walked out because I didn't want to eat that many calories for a mediocre sandwich then walked in to a fresh juice/vegetarian sandwich shop and got a full meal for about half the calories as the first sandwich shop.


Just because you're too stupid or stubborn to make decisions based on health when the nutritional information is in front of you, don't assume I'm the same way, jackass.
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Isn't only giving calorie information kind of useless? I've always found it hard to make a solid decision on that alone vs looking on the website for the full info.
 
Vahagn said:
I love how the top comment is some douche saying "California has had nutritional labels for years, no one is changing their eating habits because of them"


Meanwhile, for lunch today, I went to Olive Garden, ordered the lowest calorie pasta, with the lowest calorie vegetarian Sauce....I made those decisions because they were the lowest calorie items and because the calories were right in front of me.



Yesterday I walked into a sandwich shop for lunch, walked out because I didn't want to eat that many calories for a mediocre sandwich then walked in to a fresh juice/vegetarian sandwich shop and got a full meal for about half the calories as the first sandwich shop.


Just because you're too stupid or stubborn to make decisions based on health when the nutritional information is in front of you, don't assume I'm the same way, jackass.
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Lol u went to lolive garden
 
Y2Kev said:
Lol u went to lolive garden
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Chris Christie is trying to change the nickname of New Jersey to the Olive Garden State. Ba-dum tish!



BTW, It may be very good for the Dems if Obama just barely wins the election. That will cause less-self introspection by the GOP such that they'll just run with the same stuff next time. And it will probably work in 2014 elections because they are off-year. But by the time 2016 rolls around and they try to run on the same platform . . . they'll probably get slaughtered.
 
speculawyer said:
BTW, It may be very good for the Dems if Obama just barely wins the election. That will cause less-self introspection by the GOP such that they'll just run with the same stuff next time. And it will probably work in 2014 elections because they are off-year. But by the time 2016 rolls around and they try to run on the same platform . . . they'll probably get slaughtered.
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i'd rather shit get done. yeah i know there's a long game being played here, but if we have the opportunity to do some good, i say take it.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Isn't only giving calorie information kind of useless? I've always found it hard to make a solid decision on that alone vs looking on the website for the full info.
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Yes that's absolutely true, but the assertion that it doesn't change eating habits is asinine.


Y2Kev said:
Lol u went to lolive garden
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Lol so? It's not the healthiest place, but I'm a vegetarian that doesn't drink or smoke. My health is in pretty good shape.


Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
In the future all resturants are taco bells.
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Lol @ Demolition Man References


speculawyer said:
Chris Christie is trying to change the nickname of New Jersey to the Olive Garden State. Ba-dum tish!



BTW, It may be very good for the Dems if Obama just barely wins the election. That will cause less-self introspection by the GOP such that they'll just run with the same stuff next time. And it will probably work in 2014 elections because they are off-year. But by the time 2016 rolls around and they try to run on the same platform . . . they'll probably get slaughtered.
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I don't know if I want such a divided country. I'd rather have a sensible Republican Party, something more in line with a Teddy Roosevelt or a Eisenhower, so if on the off chance a Republican does get elected, our basic freedoms and overall country don't go down the toilet.
 
speculawyer said:
BTW, It may be very good for the Dems if Obama just barely wins the election. That will cause less-self introspection by the GOP such that they'll just run with the same stuff next time. And it will probably work in 2014 elections because they are off-year. But by the time 2016 rolls around and they try to run on the same platform . . . they'll probably get slaughtered.
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I think there's zero chance that Romney and his insufficiently severe conservatism aren't held solely responsible for the loss. No matter what, the Republicans are going out in a blaze of conservative glory in 2016. The bigger the 2012 margin, the more likely Republicans in vulnerable districts are to jump ship before the party sinks, but the primary electorate is just going to get nuttier and nuttier, and the "leadership" isn't actually in control*.

*I forget if I was making this argument here or if that was somewhere else. You can't expect the GOP to act rationally in order to maximize its electoral prospects. The establishment is already barely hanging on - it lost a bunch of fairly important primaries in 2010 and 2012 - and only after a very long fight got Romney as the nominee. The worse Romney loses, the more authority the Republican establishment loses and the more talk radio and Fox gain. The conservative media is mostly interested in creating outrage, certainly can't suddenly decide that Obama's policies aren't evil socialism, and they'll be happy to ride the party into the ground if it keeps them in business for another decade.

Further, look for the Republicans to make gains in 2014 even with particularly nutty candidates (off-year in the House, and the 2008 Senate wave is ending, and they'll probably do even better in the House, relatively, if they lose it now). Then expect a bunch of "we told you so"s from the tea party types re: "true conservatives" vs the establishment.

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Vahagn said:
Lol so? It's not the healthiest place, but I'm a vegetarian that doesn't drink or smoke. My health is in pretty good shape.
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I am not talking about the nutritional value. Everything there tastes like shit.

I was mostly just teasing, but, like, really. Shit.
 
Clevinger said:
It would be much better to have more info, but I wouldn't call it useless.
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Vahagn said:
Yes that's absolutely true, but the assertion that it doesn't change eating habits is asinine.
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I actually wonder if it makes things worse though by thinking low cal=gtg!



Lol @ Demolition Man References
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Demolition Man is just a legit good sci if movie, it has such a ridiculously good script and world building.

ascii42 said:
Yeah, you can eat something that's low in Calories but has a crapload of sodium, or something.
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Yeah, and if people don't realize it than it's just really worthless. Personally I'd have no issue with a restaurant having its full stats for its menu mounted on the wall. I mean just use the stuff on their website.
 
Y2Kev said:
I am not talking about the nutritional value. Everything there tastes like shit.

I was mostly just teasing, but, like, really. Shit.
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I've eaten there once in the past five or six years. It was quite tasty. But then I get cravings for Taco Bell now and then, so what do I know.
 
gkryhewy said:
Everything there tastes like salt, not shit. I like the salad and the ravioli.
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Everyone likes the salad. I don't know what they do with their dressing. I wonder if it is corn starch to thicken it up.


GhaleonEB said:
I've eaten there once in the past five or six years. It was quite tasty. But then I get cravings for Taco Bell now and then, so what do I know.
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Cheesy Gordita or crunch wrap SUPREME?
 
Living in Los Angeles I couldn't go to Olive Garden. I mean we aren't NYC when it comes to Italian but there are so many better options than olive gsrden
 
"For those of us who would have voted in the primaries for, say, Ron Paul, why should we vote for you and not, say, libertarians or Vermin Supreme and the Pony Party or something like that?" a man from the audience asked during the question and answer session.

"Do you want Barack Obama to be re-elected?" Ryan asked. "Then don't vote for Ron Paul."
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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...cted-then-don-212347213--politics.html?_esi=1

Yeah . . . but what about Vermin Supreme? With the rise of Bronies, his advocacy for a free pony has probably become more popular.
 
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
Personally I'd have no issue with a restaurant having its full stats for its menu mounted on the wall. I mean just use the stuff on their website.
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Yeah, that works. I've seen plenty of McDonald's and Burger Kings do that. At least one Burger King near me has the nutritional information on the back of the sheet that comes on the tray with your food. Not that it does you a lot of good once you've already ordered, but it's uh...food for thought.
 
Black Mamba said:
lol
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Okay, as an Ohioan who lives next door to Allen County and Lima, let me explain.

Lima and Allen County is Tea Party Central around here. It is Jim Jordan's power base (remember him?) with a small Libertarian core in the midst of it.

Paul Ryan said that because, to be honest, some folks literally would have voted for Ron Paul to spite Romney for winning.
 
I've been reading Game Change and man, I almost forgot just how hateful and vitriolic a campaign McCain ended up running. I'm glad that after four years of Obama people aren't that crazy anymore. The worst we've gotten this year are hanging chairs.
 
ascii42 said:
Yeah, that works. I've seen plenty of McDonald's and Burger Kings do that. At least one Burger King near me has the nutritional information on the back of the sheet that comes on the tray with your food. Not that it does you a lot of good once you've already ordered, but it's uh...food for thought.
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Better for the next time at least. lol Still I think that is better and from a PR shuts down a lot of critics claims.

RDreamer said:
Oh I've seen it before. It's just been a while. Loved that movie, though.
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Ah cool. First movie I heard the phrase "What is your Boggle?" lol i always think it and The Running Man deserve far more critical praise. The Running Man was in some ways a very ahead of its time movie.

NihonTiger90 said:
Okay, as an Ohioan who lives next door to Allen County and Lima, let me explain.

Lima and Allen County is Tea Party Central around here. It is Jim Jordan's power base (remember him?) with a small Libertarian core in the midst of it.

Paul Ryan said that because, to be honest, some folks literally would have voted for Ron Paul to spite Romney for winning.
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Which is why Ron Paul supporters are some of the worst people on the planet. They'd sell their parents for gold dust.
 
Rocket Scientist said:
Well, I'm happy that the situation differs from the one painted by Forbes. It's just that it's an article on Forbes and if you don't look at the actual source/writer etc, you would think that it was at least somewhat trustworthy. The way the article describes the situation, anyone who hasn't read more about the subject (like me) would think that this was a pretty bad deal. I always wonder how much these types of articles affect actual independents/undecideds, because it paints a rather evil picture of the AARP and Obamacare.

Badass, but unfortunately the Reagan one is more badass.
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Its unfortunate that something like that was on forbes since forbes does give the allusion of credible but the article was a typical fear mongering republican article (AARP in bed with obama etc etc).

Kaiser always does good summaries

Basically like I said earlier the savings are coming from forcing seniors to pay fairly significant out of pocket costs (for seniors). A trip to the hospital isn't exactly something they can afford which is why they have medigap plans. A lot of people on medigap plans are going from social security check to ss check.

They are basically advocating that people can only get plans L, M,N (all force out of pocket costs first from the senior) which are currently offered but are EXTREMELY unpopular. Obviously given the current popularity of these plans its not surprising that there was a huge push back on forcing seniors to only be able to choose these plans.

The Medicare Advantage stuff is complete nonsense since AARP offers those plans also . I don't see how any can complain about OVERPAYMENTS being cut from Medicare Advantage plans is a bad thing. Especially coming from the "conservative" side since you know that would be considered a waste.


AARP Medigap plans usually do cost more than some other insurance companies but they provide stable plans with very low rate increases verses other companies come in at low rates and jack up the rates later. Also AARP usually has the widest underwriting standards.


I think the article can pretty much be summed up by

(DISCLOSURE: I am an outside adviser to the Romney campaign on health-care issues. The opinions contained herein are mine alone, and do not necessarily correspond to those of the campaign.)
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From the Washington Post:

wapo said:
Senior Republicans say they will be forced to retreat on taxes if President Obama wins a second term in November, clearing the biggest obstacle to a deal with Democrats to defuse a year-end budget bomb that threatens to rock the U.S. economy....

...If Obama wins, the GOP would have no leverage — political or procedural — to force him to abandon his pledge to raise taxes on family income over $250,000, according to senior Republicans in the House and the Senate.

So they are beginning to contemplate a compromise that would let taxes go up in exchange for Democratic concessions on GOP priorities.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...948828-0330-11e2-9b24-ff730c7f6312_story.html

This is the backchannel leak that I earlier suggested we'd see if the Democratic leak about Republican plans for compromise were accurate. The sane half of the GOP is already planning a split in order to return to actual governance and avoid the fiscal cliff, and this is them signalling to a very specific audience -- not including the Tea Party -- that they're going to do just that.

Hope and change this, fuckers.
 
pigeon said:
From the Washington Post:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...948828-0330-11e2-9b24-ff730c7f6312_story.html

This is the backchannel leak that I earlier suggested we'd see if the Democratic leak about Republican plans for compromise were accurate. The sane half of the GOP is already planning a split in order to return to actual governance and avoid the fiscal cliff, and this is them signalling to a very specific audience -- not including the Tea Party -- that they're going to do just that.

Hope and change this, fuckers.
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Hughes Amendment Repeal! Huges Amendment Repeal!
 
pigeon said:
From the Washington Post:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...948828-0330-11e2-9b24-ff730c7f6312_story.html

This is the backchannel leak that I earlier suggested we'd see if the Democratic leak about Republican plans for compromise were accurate. The sane half of the GOP is already planning a split in order to return to actual governance and avoid the fiscal cliff, and this is them signalling to a very specific audience -- not including the Tea Party -- that they're going to do just that.

Hope and change this, fuckers.
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LOL

bullshit. I don't believe it for one second
 
pigeon said:
From the Washington Post:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...948828-0330-11e2-9b24-ff730c7f6312_story.html

This is the backchannel leak that I earlier suggested we'd see if the Democratic leak about Republican plans for compromise were accurate. The sane half of the GOP is already planning a split in order to return to actual governance and avoid the fiscal cliff, and this is them signalling to a very specific audience -- not including the Tea Party -- that they're going to do just that.

Hope and change this, fuckers.
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Holy mother of god, this would be so freaking awesome if true.
 
pigeon said:
From the Washington Post:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...948828-0330-11e2-9b24-ff730c7f6312_story.html

This is the backchannel leak that I earlier suggested we'd see if the Democratic leak about Republican plans for compromise were accurate. The sane half of the GOP is already planning a split in order to return to actual governance and avoid the fiscal cliff, and this is them signalling to a very specific audience -- not including the Tea Party -- that they're going to do just that.

Hope and change this, fuckers.
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It wouls make sense and is probably how the more moderate ones feel, but I doubt it will happen. The modern GOP is going balls to walls and will have a spectacular implosion first
 
So they are beginning to contemplate a compromise that would let taxes go up in exchange for Democratic concessions on GOP priorities.
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Said concessions would probably be a repeal of the ACA, knowing the GOP.
 
So they are beginning to contemplate a compromise that would let taxes go up in exchange for Democratic concessions on GOP priorities.
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Man, fuck this. This is why I want the Dems to get the House and the Senate. Shouldn't need to compromise on something so sensible and tiny. Save the compromising for things that are remotely controversial...
 
If dems win the house, the administration should let the Bush tax cuts expire; they can just fix it in January by passing a new tax cut that only applies to the middle class (with reconciliation in the senate, if necessary). In the meantime the administration should work to lower the defense cut amounts to a reasonable level both sides can agree on.
 
markatisu said:
It wouls make sense and is probably how the more moderate ones feel, but I doubt it will happen. The modern GOP is going balls to walls and will have a spectacular implosion first
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The conservative media, which is the most visible part of the party is. Congressmen and Senators are just bullied into doing what Beck and Limbaugh are screaming about. Boehner came to Obama looking for a deal during the debt ceiling crisis, when his house republicans ripped the steering wheel out of the car.

Eventually the crazy people have to get kicked out of the party. Blocking what the Democratic president is doing isn't a political victory, its just stalling the inevitable and destroying the Republican brand.
 
pigeon said:
From the Washington Post:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...948828-0330-11e2-9b24-ff730c7f6312_story.html

This is the backchannel leak that I earlier suggested we'd see if the Democratic leak about Republican plans for compromise were accurate. The sane half of the GOP is already planning a split in order to return to actual governance and avoid the fiscal cliff, and this is them signalling to a very specific audience -- not including the Tea Party -- that they're going to do just that.

Hope and change this, fuckers.
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Bill agrees:

Former President Bill Clinton predicted that that an Obama victory in November would be an “action-forcing” event that would prompt both parties to sit down and hash out their differences on the budget, the debt and taxes and would be good news for Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner.

“I expect the president to win and I think if he does, after this happens, then you will see the logjam beginning to break" in Congress, Clinton said on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS. "I think it will strengthen the hand of, for example, Speaker Boehner, who would make an agreement if the most right wing of his caucus would let him.”
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God I want an Obama second term so bad.
 
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