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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down
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Eh, I'll just leave this here for PoliGAF to dissect.
Paul Ryan Says Carter Years 'The Good Old Days'
That's funny. We didn't hear any of that from Ryan last week, either.
Paul Ryan Says Carter Years 'The Good Old Days'
That's funny. We didn't hear any of that from Ryan last week, either.
ConsumerSquare
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My wife worked the merch at the DNC this weekend and said there were tons of these. Also, "Sisters for Obama" with nuns, "Aliens for Obama" with space aliens (lol), "Veggies for Obama" with vegetables, and so on.Obama campaign selling these buttons on the DNC. Amazingly perfect:
I just saw apparently they also have "Crazy Cat Ladies for Obama" ones too.
Black Republican
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Obama almost even with whites? trouble for romney then, cant really call it a dem state either
Just saw the ad discussed on Hardball. HOLY SHIT that looks so bad.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#48888308
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
In order for that framework to even make theoretical sense, you have to remember the narrative such rationalizations are intended to evoke resonance with: that homosexuality = sin and a failure of morality. Gays are not equal persons, they're straight people who are morally corrupt. Therefore, any and everything connected with homosexuality = lack of values.
Really, it's this kind of latent bigotry that's deeply woven into the fabric of culture that such scare tactics are meant to hook into. In a sense it's only going to get worse before it gets better, precisely because, as you say, things are moving forward. It's not just related to gay issues either. Generally speaking, the GOP tactic is to present themselves as the "last bastion of morality", in order to appeal to a segment of Americans who see their whitebread selves as the standard for normal and right. And who are intrinsically afraid of 'otherness'.
In the long run this cannot hold, since society is rapidly changing. While it can be aggravating to deal with, it is kind of fascinating from a sociological standpoint. We're watching, in real time, what happens with entire glaciers of cultural memes begin to break up and fall into the sea. As one might expect, there is much running and screaming and panic as everything appears to fall apart.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
So I just got back from a farmer's market where my dad was meeting up with one of his friends. My dad's friend and his wife were both wearing Romney/ Ryan shirts, and the husband proceeded to start talking to me about why he is republican. He asked me, "How can you say god doesn't exist when there are so many different colors of orchids?"
For some reason, this statement sparked a realization in my head, that I need to pay more attention to whats happening in my country.
Please PoliGaf, teach me your ways.
For some reason, this statement sparked a realization in my head, that I need to pay more attention to whats happening in my country.
Please PoliGaf, teach me your ways.
speculawyer
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toddstarnes @toddstarnes
Republicans are handing out boxes of Legos at DNC pic.twitter.com/1ApXpadQ
So crazy. I wish somebody would give me some free Legos.
The GOP even outsources their gag gifts to a foreign corporation that builds the products in foreign countries. They didn't build that.
...but they built it
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
No I did not, I will watch it now though.
Wow, that is just painful. Please tell me this guy has nothing to do with growing our food because wow.
Thanks for taking the time to write that, that was great.
My observation is that we are going to see a full throated defence and advocacy of marriage equality, now that it has been incorprorated into the democratic platform. You can already see it in some of the language that's being used (e.g. "respect for marriage act", etc.). The "values" narrative needs to be wrestled away, and people need to start feeling comfortable that standing up for marriage equality is an expression of value.
It sounds like it would take more than a five minute conversation to get through to someone like that. Probably best to avoid ...
Joe Shlabotnik
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People THAT deluded would not be allowed to vote if it were up to me, and it'd be a better society by far.
speculawyer
Member
Let's see . . . 4 years ago we had the worst financial melt-down since the great depression, jobs were being lost by the millions, gays were witch-hunted out of the military, Usama Bin Laden was still out there acting as the figurehead for a terrorist movement against us, there was a hugely expensive quagmire war in Iraq, the Dow was below 9000, the Bush government had no clue as to what to do and was just trying to run out the clock.
Yeah, we are MUCH better off than 4 years ago. Sure . . . the unemployment level sucks. But the house GOP has done everything they can to torpedo any recovery efforts.
White orchids, purple orchids... Never a miscommunication.
speculawyer
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Yeah, that is what I keep wondering. Please . . . go ahead with that line of attack. All Obama has to do is point to the things I pointed out above. 2008 was a year of financial panic. People were wondering if we were going to enter a new great depression. The job losses and stock market losses were out of control.
But hey . . . $1.98/gallon gasoline! Great if you had a job to drive to.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I mean, I really like the guy because they like to get out and do a lot of fun things, but listening to him talk about world matters and how sickening democratic policies are is really exhausting.
I know the only person that can educate me on these things is myself, but I felt like sharing an instance of the sort of people I am around every day.
I know the only person that can educate me on these things is myself, but I felt like sharing an instance of the sort of people I am around every day.
I know that feel, bro.
Watching this stream of Obama talking to UAW in Toledo, Ohio.
http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Live/
DAYUM
EDIT: If you have the capacity, tune in to that stream. This is campaign beast mode activated.
http://www.c-span.org/DNC/Live/
President Obama said:
DAYUM
EDIT: If you have the capacity, tune in to that stream. This is campaign beast mode activated.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Anyway, thats my introduction here. I probably won't talk a lot in this thread since I am not experienced with these things, but I will lurk as much as possible.
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
PPP Michigan poll (likely voters):
Obama 51
Romney 44
Previous poll 53/39 (registered voters)
Romney favorability 45/49
Obama 51
Romney 44
Previous poll 53/39 (registered voters)
Romney favorability 45/49
Welcome! There's nothing wrong with lurking. Sitting back and reading everything you can is the best possible way to educate yourself on these matters. A page or so ago some people posted great news sources, so use them and other things you stumble across to strengthen your opinions.
speculawyer
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I'd go scienceGaf. The flowers evolved many different colors by natural selection in order to attract bees for pollination. So yeah, those colors evolved. Of course humans stepped in and have been doing artificial selection for centuries now to select and breed the colors we like. We can even create glow-in-the-dark flowers now. We are the gods.
Yeah, no . . . I'd just say "You don't want to get into that discussion with me."
polyh3dron
Banned
Wow, different colored orchids = invisible sky man
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
I am actually really scared about how future conversations are gonna go with this guy. I haven't been to a church since I was like 3.
I have a feeling that a metric fuck ton of lying is going to ensue.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Also keep in mind that PoliGAF is currently in election mode, which means an inordinate amount of discussion of election stuff over actual politics.
I don't think people are really going to pay attention to the GOP's sideshow. The Occupy people are there, but I think the American public at large is generally tired of seeing them, as well, so I doubt they have much of an impact. The Obama campaign likes to play things safe, so I'd say this convention will be pretty by-the-books and stick to the script; especially since we saw what going off script can look like last week.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
And that is why I'm confident Obama doesn't lose Michigan.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
What does that have to do with politics? I don't follow.
Believing in God is not limited to Republicans. Its a silly statement, but I'm not what sure the connection is between that and their support for romney/Ryan.
There was never any reason to doubt it. Let republicans continue thinking it's their secret key to a winning northern strategy.
DeathbyVolcano
Banned
wtf is this hahahah
my Vandy trust fund friends are going to go batshit if they see this
There isn't going to be any policy to talk about until after the election anyway. It's just going to be the horse race stuff from here on out, and PD trolling.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Sorry, I should have elaborated more. I wasn't bashing religion or anything, its just that this guy in particular links a lot of his opinions in politics to his religious views, meaning that he also will work it into conversations about life decisions and social problems.
CharlieDigital
Banned
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Well I think if you hang around here long enough you will learn ways to demonstrate inconsistencies with his religious views and his political views. For example, he is likely pro life yet pro death penalty. He believes the orchids demonstrate God's creative beauty and yet likely doesn't support policies to help sustain God's green earth. He believes in Jesus' compassion yet he probably opposes government assistance for poor and needy families, including Obama's health care law, that ended despicable insurance company practices and extended coverage to tens of millions of Americans. The first Bible verse he taught his kids was likely the easiest to learn: "God is love", yet he likely teaches them to hate and exclude gays.
The religion is not the problem, its the hypocrisy.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Oh wow, I already love it here.
cartoon_soldier
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If Kal Penn is hosting this, gonna see it.
Hope John Cho is there too. Love those guys.
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