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PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down

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Stinkles

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GhaleonEB said:
Yup. I'm dubious we'll get that any time soon, but it should be a point of public pressure on Congress in particular.


Nate Silver does love his sports analogies. Entertaining read and good context on the weekend polls. Bottom line:


If Romney's numbers don't show an unusually large and rapid move after the debates and the jobs numbers this Friday, he's toast.
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Romney just needs Seahawks officiating to pull it out!
 
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SouthernDragon

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Could we please not open hope for the deaths of justices? Terribly unseemly and devoid of empathy. Those are men and women with families.

I do hope they retire, though.
 
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Forever

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SouthernDragon said:
Could we please not open hope for the deaths of justices? Terribly unseemly and devoid of empathy. Those are men and women with families.

I do hope they retire, though.
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I'm just being realistic when I point out that the only way a conservative justice would leave his post under a Democratic administration is if he dies but if it would make people more comfortable to pretend that this is an alternate universe, let's just say I hope fatass Scalia "retires" during Obama's second term.
 
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RDreamer

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Yeah, hoping for deaths is pretty terrible.

Hopefully we get 2 democratic presidents in a row and that forces them out, since they can't wait any longer to retire.
 
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Pastry

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Incognito said:
trinity university, a tiny (2,000 students) liberal arts school deep in the heart of texas.
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I'm a lurker here in PoliGAF and starting to catch up for the day but thumbs up. I'm a Trinity graduate, glad to see the school is still bringing in awesome speakers. Lord knows they have enough money to do it.
 
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pigeon

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Jon Chait has an article today about how the media has been shrewdly targeting Paul Ryan's hitherto unexposed fatal weaknesses -- straightforward questions about his proposals, and accurate reporting of things that have actually happened.

new york magazine said:
Paul Ryan’s selection as Mitt Romney’s vice-presidential candidate is subjecting him to all manner of strange new indignities, such as questions about public policy that are different than those that his own press staff would have written. The Washington Post reported this weekend that Ryan has opposed bipartisan compromises to reduce the budget deficit. The facts in the story aren’t new. (If anything, they understate the active, crucial role Ryan has played in killing these deals.) What’s new is that the publicly available facts about Ryan’s opposition to bipartisan deficit reduction is penetrating the media narrative about him, which has always presented him as the very opposite....

And then there was Ryan’s surreal interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News:...In the interview, Wallace tries to walk through the facts with Ryan. He begins by asking about the cost of the rate cuts, which is about $5 trillion over a decade. Ryan refuses to answer the question. He tries various tricks to avoid it. First he pretends Wallace is asking a different question — that he’s asking about the net cost of the entire plan, rather than the gross cost of the rate cuts. He cracks jokes about the unreliability of statistics. He filibusters by making a speech about economic growth.
Wallace asks the question seven times, and Ryan fills one minute and 48 seconds avoiding it. Finally, the final time Wallace asks Ryan to give him the math, Ryan asserts, “It would take me too long to go through all the math.”...

...Ryan’s role in the budget discourse was not to be questioned, but to question others. If he was asked to comment, it was to express his sadness over Obama’s alleged unwillingness to enact the bipartisan debt plans that Ryan in fact killed.
Ryan is still an extremely skilled bullshitter — vastly better at it than Romney. But he’s actually seeing, for the first time, questions that attempt to pry information out of him, rather than the batting practice lobs to which he’s accustomed. He’s going to emerge from the race with his legend punctured.
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http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/paul-ryan-legend-dissipates.html

He just wasn't ready for prime time, and as we've discussed on PoliGAF, it's going to irreparably harm his political career. Maybe he would've been in a few years, maybe not. But you never get a second chance to make a first impression.
 
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codhand

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Patriots7 said:
Everyone thought Sarah Palin would flop and she surpassed nearly everyone's expectations.
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But seriously it was cool how she completely ignored answering the questions, my expectation was that she would, so in that sense she did surpass my expectations.
 
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gcubed

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pigeon said:
Jon Chait has an article today about how the media has been shrewdly targeting Paul Ryan's hitherto unexposed fatal weaknesses -- straightforward questions about his proposals, and accurate reporting of things that have actually happened.



http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/paul-ryan-legend-dissipates.html

He just wasn't ready for prime time, and as we've discussed on PoliGAF, it's going to irreparably harm his political career. Maybe he would've been in a few years, maybe not. But you never get a second chance to make a first impression.
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i was mildly disappointed that the link wasn't to Jindal's response speech.
 
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Forever

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Tim-E said:
Yeah, wishing for the death of a Justice (or multiple Justices) isn't cool whatsoever. I don't care how much I disagree with someone, I'm not going to hope that they die soon.
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It's not a matter of polite disagreement, it's a matter of preventing something like Bush v. Gore from happening again and overturning Citizen's United. It's not at all comparable to having a friendly difference of opinion; these people are actively damaging our democracy. Imagine if Bush hadn't been appointed President--think about the lives that might've been saved in Iraq alone. It might feel good to sit atop a high horse and proclaim that civility supersedes all, but if you really were concerned about lives and not about shallow appearances you would want these people out of their posts. And there's only one realistic way that can happen legally; death by natural causes. They're not harmless clowns like Dude Abides. They're not even elected officials whose terms can expire. They are there for as long as they want to be there.

You do not have the moral high ground by wishing for these people to remain in their posts for the foreseeable future. Just the opposite, actually.
 
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Jackson50

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isoquant said:
Some good news on the foreign policy front: al-Qaeda crippled in North Africa.



http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/09/201293011383390624.html
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I'll not deny it's welcome news. But only time will reveal if the gains are enduring, or if this is it yet another ephemeral gain in a perpetual cycle of violence. First, Ethiopian and Somalian troops defeated al-Itihaad al-Islami in the late 90s. Then, they retreated to Yemen and Afghanistan only to return a few years later and found the ICU. Subsequently, the ICU gained strength and wrested control of Southern Somalia until another joint effort by Ethiopian and Somalian troops defeated them. And from the remnants of the ICU, al-Shabaab assimilated other splinter groups to make substantial territorial gains. Only an extensive effort from Kenya and a few other AMISOM participants has defeated them. Yet when that effort concludes, the inevitable power vacuum invites further instability. Perhaps the Somalian government can finally consolidate its legitimacy. But recent history permits, at most, guarded optimism.
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Mitt Romney: A New Course for the Middle East
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444712904578024293333633994.html

A whole lot of nothing.
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Thank god his defeat's an inevitability.
Diablos said:
Hahahaha.

You have got to be kidding me.
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Obviously, although I do wonder if there's an underlying pathological explanation for your disposition.
 
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Tim-E

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speculawyer said:
So depressing . . .


Do they really deny it is real effect? If so, that is scary. If they are just denying it because they don't want to do anything then they should at least man up and admit that.
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I know a lot of people here in coal country that think like this. I think they're mostly convincing themselves that there's no global warming because the economy around here is tied to something that's causing it. To quote Upton Sinclair: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

Snake said:
I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to vote Democratic.

Stay thirsty, my friends.
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'The Most Interesting Man In The World,' Dos Equis' Jonathan Goldsmith, Hosts Obama Fundraiser
 
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Miletius

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Pastry said:
I'm a lurker here in PoliGAF and starting to catch up for the day but thumbs up. I'm a Trinity graduate, glad to see the school is still bringing in awesome speakers. Lord knows they have enough money to do it.
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My current SO went to Trinity for a year. I got to stay in the dorms a couple of nights too -- really great Uni and campus. San Antonio isn't that rural is it?
 
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ivysaur12

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Nerve racking for gay marriage -- looks good in ME, extremely close in MD:

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/10/01/933241/poll-maine-marriage-equality-has-21-point-lead/?mobile=nc

A new poll by Critical Insights finds that Maine’s marriage equality referendum is set to pass, with 57 percent approval and only 36 percent rejection. Support is particularly high among Democrats (81 percent), supporters of President Obama (86 percent), college graduates (69 percent), and 18-to-34-year-olds (77 percent). While hopes are high that Maine could be the first state to legalize the freedom to marry through a voter referendum, the fight will likely be close, as the 7 percent of undecided voters could easily sway the result.
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http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-09-29/news/bs-md-poll-20120929_1_opinionworks-new-baltimore-sun-poll-voter-turnout

Five weeks before the election, a measure to legalize same-sex marriage in Maryland has seen a surge of support and is now favored by likely voters, 49 percent to 39 percent, a new Baltimore Sun poll has found.

But at this stage, most voters are opposed to the gambling expansion law, according to the poll. And the electorate is conflicted about a measure to give illegal immigrants more access to higher education, with similar percentages supporting the law and opposing it.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/27/poll-most-md-voters-favor-same-sex-marriage/

A majority of Marylanders polled this month said they want to legalize same-sex marriage, but significant numbers of people in other states also told pollsters they supported the issue, then voted against it at the ballot box.

A Gonzales Research poll released Wednesday shows 51 percent of registered voters in the state support Question 6, which would allow same-sex marriage if approved this fall, while just 43 percent oppose it.

While supporters like their chances, polls in other states have often overestimated support for gay marriage — a pattern that analysts say is due to many respondents concealing their opposition out of fear that it might sound politically incorrect.

“There’s still this sense that it is a quasi-discriminatory belief to hold, and some people are not comfortable giving it to even an anonymous person,” said Todd Eberly, coordinator of public policy studies at St. Mary's College of Maryland. “In the end, the ‘anti’ vote always outperforms the polling data.”
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Tim-E

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Political Wire said:
"Republicans in Washington have fretted that the absence of a punchy, consistent theme in Romney's day-to-day message leaves him hobbled as he works to gain back lost ground against the president," Politico reports.

Today the campaign declared a new sales pitch: "We can't afford another four years like the last four years."
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How is this any different from what they've been yelling since the spring?
 
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Pastry

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Miletius said:
My current SO went to Trinity for a year. I got to stay in the dorms a couple of nights too -- really great Uni and campus. San Antonio isn't that rural is it?
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Nope it's a pretty big city, seventh largest in the US. Around 1.5 million in the city and 2.2 million in the metro area. Trinity is a great school, I had an absolute blast while I was there.
 
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Snake

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Interesting [to me] fact:

If Obama wins re-election, and does so with 50%+ of the popular vote, it will have been the first time since FDR that a Democrat has won both his Presidential election and re-election with a majority of the popular vote.

edit: Also, Andrew Jackson is the only other Democrat to have done so.
 
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Shadow Hog

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ivysaur12 said:
Nerve racking for gay marriage -- looks good in ME, extremely close in MD:
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If it's any consolation, I know I intend to vote for it.

The language that will show up in the booth is a bit confusing, though.

Question 6
Referendum Petition
Civil Marriage Protection Act (Ch. 2 of the 2012 Legislative Session)

Establishes that Maryland’s civil marriage laws allow gay and lesbian couples to obtain a civil marriage license, provided they are not otherwise prohibited from marrying; protects clergy from having to perform any particular marriage ceremony in violation of their religious beliefs; affirms that each religious faith has exclusive control over its own theological doctrine regarding who may marry within that faith; and provides that religious organizations and certain related entities are not required to provide goods, services, or benefits to an individual related to the celebration or promotion of marriage in violation of their religious beliefs.
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"Civil marriage license" threw me off for a bit - I thought it was saying "do you support civil unions over proper marriage?", although I believe that's not what it actually says. All the talk about "protect[ing] clergy from having to perform any particular marriage ceremony in violation of their religious beliefs", too, since it sounds a lot like the sort of argument you'd hear anti-gay marriage people to use.

As for the expansion of gambling, I really don't know what to make of it. Anti-gambling ads get a lot of airtime on the radio news station I tend to listen to while driving to and from work - although supposedly they're paid for by West Virginian casinos seeking to stop Maryland from getting a piece of their action. A similarly confusing situation, really.
 
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Cloudy

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Snake said:
Interesting [to me] fact:

If Obama wins re-election, and does so with 50%+ of the popular vote, it will have been the first time since FDR that a Democrat has won both his Presidential election and re-election with a majority of the popular vote.
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To be fair to Clinton, he'd have done it if there was no 3rd party candidate
 
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RoninChaos

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I'm watching Bill Maher on my lunch break, and there's a guy on here that is saying OBama is supressing the military vote. WTF is he talking about?
 
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Suikoguy

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RoninChaos said:
I'm watching Bill Maher on my lunch break, and there's a guy on here that is saying OBama is supressing the military vote. WTF is he talking about?
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Literal fabrication of facts.
 
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RoninChaos

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Suikoguy said:
Literal fabrication of facts.
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Yeah, I know it isn't true, because that shit is fucking crazy. The thing is, these people based this on something. Anybody know what it is?

BTW, I always thought Chris Matthews was kind of a blow hard, but he's RIPPING this clown on this.
 
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pigeon

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RoninChaos said:
I'm watching Bill Maher on my lunch break, and there's a guy on here that is saying OBama is supressing the military vote. WTF is he talking about?
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Based on that much information, he's probably referring to the early voting lawsuit in Ohio, which is basically the exact opposite of suppressing the military vote, but that's what Romney has been calling it.
 
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Shadow Hog

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RoninChaos said:
I'm watching Bill Maher on my lunch break, and there's a guy on here that is saying OBama is supressing the military vote. WTF is he talking about?
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I vaguely recall some legal challeng over either early or absentee voting that Obama took a stand on, which Republicans immediately tried to twist into "Obama doesn't support our troops".

Except for the issue in question, "our troops" were already on the side Obama took.
 
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Zabka

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RoninChaos said:
Yeah, I know it isn't true, because that shit is fucking crazy. The thing is, these people based this on something. Anybody know what it is?

BTW, I always thought Chris Matthews was kind of a blow hard, but he's RIPPING this clown on this.
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Everyone used to be able to vote early. The law was changed to only allow Military to vote early. Dems wanted everyone to be able to.

And that's somehow suppressing the military vote.

ETA: In Ohio
 
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RDreamer

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RoninChaos said:
I'm watching Bill Maher on my lunch break, and there's a guy on here that is saying OBama is supressing the military vote. WTF is he talking about?
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Ohio early voting shenanigans. Ohio took away some early voting except for people in the military. Obama campaign then sued in order to open up early voting for everyone again. Romney and their campaign pushed back saying he was trying to suppress the military vote. Some military groups even got in on the suit against Obama, for some reason. But really he was only trying to open early voting to everyone like it was in 08.
 
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RoninChaos

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RDreamer said:
Ohio early voting shenanigans. Ohio took away some early voting except for people in the military. Obama campaign then sued in order to open up early voting for everyone again. Romney and their campaign pushed back saying he was trying to suppress the military vote. Some military groups even got in on the suit against Obama, for some reason. But really he was only trying to open early voting to everyone like it was in 08.
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THAT is what this fucker is talking about?!
 
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