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what debate?
Romney campaign will probably sayyyyy
"114k is a terrible number that shows the Obama administration has no idea how to create jobs, which is the sole purpose of government. The rest doesn't matter"
Vestal
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Big Bird!
Rocket Scientist
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So that's still 15% unskewed?
Black Republican
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went to fox news briefly and i musta missed the reaction 
DragonSworne
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Finally, unemployement is down because workforce increased! This is huge news for the economy and will cause markets to rise throughout the whole year.
Finally, unemployement is down because workforce increased! This is huge news for the economy and will cause markets to rise throughout the whole year.
heh Joe Scarbororororororo on the jobs numbers " i don't get it"
It's hard to follow, but if the numbers were bad....he'd get it.
Why would the media want to do that?
"The real unemployment rate is higher because people have given up looking!"
If the job numbers were good, wouldn't Obama retroactively stare at Romney during the debates? Future Obama should have known better.
I have your job number explanation: Soylent Green.
Republicans taking the polls approach: Obama Administration are fixing these numbers.
DragonSworne
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We need future Obama to become the new President.
Black Republican
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hardly of my gop twitter followers retweeting the numbers, yep they hate it.
last 3 up 86,000 total
The Librarian
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So about that GAME-CHANGING debate...it's still going to put Ohio back in play, right? Maybe shift FL and VA too? Or is that not a thing anymore?
Or perhaps there was some unnecessary panicking in here before? Because all I'm hearing is 100k+ jobs in September, UE at 7.8%, 180k in jobs in July, and 140k in August.
Nobody is going to be talking about the debate anymore.
Or perhaps there was some unnecessary panicking in here before? Because all I'm hearing is 100k+ jobs in September, UE at 7.8%, 180k in jobs in July, and 140k in August.
Nobody is going to be talking about the debate anymore.
they said that 90k job month ( last month?) was revised to 140k. Might want to double check that...
They'll still be talking about Romney's vouchers, lack of a tax plan, and firing big bird though
Or that's what they should be talking about and Obama will be campaigning about. I'm sure Romney will try to remind people that Obama looked down a lot? Rush will say Romney still destroyed every liberal argument and ideology ever conceived?
MittMentum slowing after a single day. One other piece of bad news for Mitt from his success, is that lackadaisical dems are now scared and enervated.
DragonSworne
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If anything, people will just reinforce the fact that Obama is just not that great a debating, but is still doing a good job. That will be the narrative.
Byakuya769
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Participation rate up and unemployment down; those are the most important pair of numbers.
Yup, significant upward revisions.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
Pretty decent report on first read.
Edit: holy crap the gap between the establishment and household surveys is gargantuan. Any good explanations out there?
New narrative. Debates are boring, they happened over 24 hours ago! And Romney was The Winner yesterday, now Obama is The Winner today! The Winner has changed! Irrelevant political hack, your thoughts.
The Librarian
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Panic!!!!!!!!
Okay. I'm done.
Okay. I'm done.
Arrowgigantic
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Jobs
July 181,000
August 142,000
September 114,000
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/us-economy-added-114-000-jobs-in-september
August 142,000
September 114,000
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/us-economy-added-114-000-jobs-in-september
TacticalFox88
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7.8 percent? Good fucking shit. This pretty much killed any positive impact Romney's performance may or may not have done.
Delicious.
Delicious.
Black Panthers forcing people to take union teaching jobs at Acorn bomb factories.
Half and half
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One of the side effects of this is that it over shadows Romney's 47% apology attempt. So he can keep on owning that.
Carolina Panthers forcing people to put towels over their head.
RustyNails
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Hey amirox, wasnt able to say this earlier but I
M glad you're ok buddy. That was a shit situation which couldve been way more shitty.
M glad you're ok buddy. That was a shit situation which couldve been way more shitty.
Okay. I didn't see anyone mention it, so I'm going to try and chase down an explanation. But the household survey, from which the unemployment rate is drawn:
That's seasonally adjusted.
Versus the establishment survey:
Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 114,000 in September. In 2012,
employment growth has averaged 146,000 per month, compared with an average
monthly gain of 153,000 in 2011. In September, employment rose in health care
and in transportation and warehousing. (See table B-1.)
Total employment rose by 873,000 in September, following 3 months of little
change. The employment-population ratio increased by 0.4 percentage point to
58.7 percent, after edging down in the prior 2 months. The overall trend in
the employment-population ratio for this year has been flat. The civilian labor
force rose by 418,000 to 155.1 million in September, while the labor force
participation rate was little changed at 63.6 percent. (See table A-1.)
change. The employment-population ratio increased by 0.4 percentage point to
58.7 percent, after edging down in the prior 2 months. The overall trend in
the employment-population ratio for this year has been flat. The civilian labor
force rose by 418,000 to 155.1 million in September, while the labor force
participation rate was little changed at 63.6 percent. (See table A-1.)
That's seasonally adjusted.
Versus the establishment survey:
Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 114,000 in September. In 2012,
employment growth has averaged 146,000 per month, compared with an average
monthly gain of 153,000 in 2011. In September, employment rose in health care
and in transportation and warehousing. (See table B-1.)
Krauser Kat
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Jesus those number are glorious just from for getting into the 7.x range. Nice upwards revisions. Come on Bams pull off the gloves for the next debate and drop kick your platform into the faces of americans. Also rebuke lies on stage without (really wish i could drop the c bomb right there) dick punching Romney to much.
More likely they will neglect to mention the positives deeper into the numbers and just say it's all people leaving the workforce. When facts challenge your talking points, ignore them.
The Librarian
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Poor guy has gone senile.
TacticalFox88
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I love how people put politics over the good news of Americans getting back to work.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
RustyNails
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Ok I have to say, Obama fucking did it. Repubs have been complaining that obama failed his promise and wasnt able to get UE under 8%. That talking point is completely eviscerated. October numbers for next month are bound to be good. Btw guys, gallup sort of predicted this possibility last month.
Ha! Even earlier than I thought.
jamesinclair
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I fucking told you people wed be under eight in October.
I TOLD YOU PEOPLE
I TOLD YOU PEOPLE
Well obviously we can be when these Chicago boys can cook the books anytime they want.
electricpirate
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Part me thinks those revisions ( and possibly that gap in the household survey) might be pointing to why Obama has been out porforming the fundamentals. Maybe we just had the data off. As I've said many times, voters don't look at that numbers, but the numbers make a nice aggregrate for how people are feeling, and the numbers being ~50% off the last couple of months is probably a big deal.
RustyNails
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Tears. Salty tears. See as they combust infront of the world and bury themselves.
RustyNails
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Bad news for obama.114K = good
7.8% = good
avg hourly up 3/10th a percent = good
private sec up 104k = good
upward revisions for last three months of gov't jobs = good
unemployed persons number declined by 450k = good
participation rate up = good
Good.
Obama took office with unemployment at 7.9%
Progress!
Surprised no one mentioned this.
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