Officerrob
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I'm really glad that so many speakers went on the offensive, I hope it continues. Oh, and Deval Patrick became a star tonight
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Aaron Strife
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Just look at Senator Bob Casey in Pennsylvania. Pro-life and he's easily getting re-elected with a gajillion percent.
Sirpopopop
Member
Link her to this article:
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/04/anti-abortion-pro-democrat/
Specifically, the last section:
Bill Clinton and Elizabeth Warren. And Schweitzer (gov from Montana) too I think.
SouthernDragon
Member
I just want to say that the DNC is bringing out the stupid in the friends of a few friends of mine.
It's really, really fun to swat them down.
It's really, really fun to swat them down.
Byakuya769
Member
I am sick and tired of these dumb ass pundits bemoaning the lack of jobs and following up with "and we haven't done anything about the deficits." You DUMB FUCKS those things are virtually diametrically opposed in the short term!
ErasureAcer
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Schweitzer tomorrow? Awesome. Dude is pretty funny.
I forgot 2 speeches that I thought were good too. Ledbetter gave a passionate plea and called Romney a coward for not taking a stand in either direction on equal pay.
The mom who talked about Obamacare saving her kid was pretty powerful as the girl was on stage with her sister and dad. Great visual. Gave some depth to the situation with her case being 1 in 100. She called out Romney too effectively.
I forgot 2 speeches that I thought were good too. Ledbetter gave a passionate plea and called Romney a coward for not taking a stand in either direction on equal pay.
The mom who talked about Obamacare saving her kid was pretty powerful as the girl was on stage with her sister and dad. Great visual. Gave some depth to the situation with her case being 1 in 100. She called out Romney too effectively.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's the automated take-down mechanism. Google needs to address it cause it's becoming quite a problem.
I was honestly teary eyed during this. I had to get up and go get a drink. I can't even imagine having a child sick like that, and to have to worry about healthcare costs and even something as shitty as a lifetime max... I just can't describe how much I detest that we allowed that to happen for so long.
Actually, now I'm not sure when he's speaking. He's definitely speaking though.
I don't understand how it was perfectly a-okay to stream it live but as soon as it's archived it gets slapped with copyright infringement.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I didn't see the speech, but did Obamacare really save the kids? I presumed that most of the big features of PPACA don't go into effect until 2014.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Kids are no longer allowed to be dropped from insurance due to pre-existing conditions
It was more about the removal of lifetime coverage caps that totally screw over families of children born with disabilities and birth defects.
Removing lifetime maximums, disallowing benefits denial based on pre-existing conditions and other things that benefited young children went into effect almost immediately.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
ahh, nice. Why don't people like PPACA again?
Only the insurance agencies should be against it, and even then, only slightly so because they are going to have millions more of customers.
EDIT: and I do know the answer to my question.
Officerrob
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The crowd for Hardball right now is like a college football postgame show
Same here. It amazes me that the majority of the country isn't rallying around this.
Yes - The lifetime limits have already been removed which is what she specifically talked about because having so many bills right at birth.
It was the removal of lifetime caps that saved this particular girl.
Why don't you post what you think that answer is?
She was halfway to her lifetime max at age 6. So she still had time left, but Obamacare going into effect means that ~6 years from now she won't be maxed out.
ViperVisor
Member
Seeing MSNBC live at midnight reminds me of those few late night shows with drunk Dan Abrams or the ones with Joe paired with Ron Reagan.
Which is why it blows my mind that anyone with children would be against the healthcare law at all.
Dude Abides
Banned
It's too bad Hllary won't be giving a speech. I understand why you can't have the sitting Sec of State speak at a political convention, but still.
Aaron Strife
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CharlieDigital
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One thing I've learned from the Whitehouse Flickr stream: Obama loves to give birthday cakes.
President Barack Obama presents a birthday cake to Admiral Jonathan Greenert, Chief of Naval Operations, during a dinner for Combatant Commanders and senior military leadership in the Blue Room of the White House
President Barack Obama celebrates the birthday of Bloomberg White House correspondent Julianna Goldman aboard Air Force One during the flight from Ramstein, Germany, to Joint Base Andrews, Md.
President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama present a birthday cake to Assistant Usher Reggie Dickson outside the Usher's Office of the White House, following a Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony and dinner honoring President Shimon Peres of Israel
President Barack Obama presents a birthday cake to Personal Secretary Anita Decker in the Oval Office
A chocolate cake is presented to Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda of Japan to celebrate his May 20 birthday, during the G8 Summit working dinner in Laurel Cabin at Camp David, Md
President Barack Obama presents a birthday cake to Admiral Jonathan Greenert, Chief of Naval Operations, during a dinner for Combatant Commanders and senior military leadership in the Blue Room of the White House
President Barack Obama celebrates the birthday of Bloomberg White House correspondent Julianna Goldman aboard Air Force One during the flight from Ramstein, Germany, to Joint Base Andrews, Md.
President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama present a birthday cake to Assistant Usher Reggie Dickson outside the Usher's Office of the White House, following a Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony and dinner honoring President Shimon Peres of Israel
President Barack Obama presents a birthday cake to Personal Secretary Anita Decker in the Oval Office
A chocolate cake is presented to Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda of Japan to celebrate his May 20 birthday, during the G8 Summit working dinner in Laurel Cabin at Camp David, Md
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I have a great idea for an Obama campaign ad:
Have some random democratic senator or representative get up and say,
"The current health insurance system is broken. Costs are skyrocketing at a level outpacing inflation by several times. The sick and elderly are denied coverage and the uninsured are becoming a burden on those who do pay by skyrocketing ER visits, unpaid bills, and care that is reactionary to a crisis, rather than preventative in nature, which happens to be several times more expensive and several times less effective.
I have a plan, backed by millions of Americans. What I will do is:
- guarantee coverage to all. We as a society should care for all, especially the sick or meek. A cancer diagnosis should not become a death warrant. A major surgery shouldn't mean being dropped from coverage.
- cover children as they transition from adolescence to adulthood. With children staying at home or in college longer that at any time in our country's history, we need a plan that will cover these children until they make the full jump to profession and independence.
- protect Medicare and expand its coverage for the growing elderly population.
- control costs. Insurance agencies will be forced to keep costs low so that we can finally keep medical care within reason for all.
- What is great is that the vast majority of Americans who wish to be a part of this plan are already on qualifying plans. Most will not need to adjust their coverage. Those who, for some reason or another, do not wish to be a part of this all inclusive plan will pay a fair tax, with income qualifiers to not put any undue burden on the less fortunate amongst us.
- This plan has been evaluated by both the Congressional Budget Office and independent economists who all note that my plan will save hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade and longer.
- It is not perfect, but is the right step towards a fair health insurance plan that all can be a part of. It is the capitalist solution to a very personal and intimate necessity of life and society."
Then, he takes a curtain away from a placard.
"Sounds like a great plan, right? Thankfully, my plan was passed by both houses of congress at the end of 2009. My plan is called the Affordable Care Act, and it is already saving lives, the finances of millions, and helping to reduce the federal debt. See how at the bipartisan website, www.ACASaves.org"
Is that too easy, or what? Appeals to emotion, reason, and pocketbooks, the website could have independent verification from all sorts of fact-checkers, economists, doctors, scientists, insurance agencies, hospital administrators, etc.
It seems like the Dems just haven't conveyed these points well and that is why there is so much "Grab yer torches and pitchforks" mentality. Maybe I am way off base.
Have some random democratic senator or representative get up and say,
"The current health insurance system is broken. Costs are skyrocketing at a level outpacing inflation by several times. The sick and elderly are denied coverage and the uninsured are becoming a burden on those who do pay by skyrocketing ER visits, unpaid bills, and care that is reactionary to a crisis, rather than preventative in nature, which happens to be several times more expensive and several times less effective.
I have a plan, backed by millions of Americans. What I will do is:
- guarantee coverage to all. We as a society should care for all, especially the sick or meek. A cancer diagnosis should not become a death warrant. A major surgery shouldn't mean being dropped from coverage.
- cover children as they transition from adolescence to adulthood. With children staying at home or in college longer that at any time in our country's history, we need a plan that will cover these children until they make the full jump to profession and independence.
- protect Medicare and expand its coverage for the growing elderly population.
- control costs. Insurance agencies will be forced to keep costs low so that we can finally keep medical care within reason for all.
- What is great is that the vast majority of Americans who wish to be a part of this plan are already on qualifying plans. Most will not need to adjust their coverage. Those who, for some reason or another, do not wish to be a part of this all inclusive plan will pay a fair tax, with income qualifiers to not put any undue burden on the less fortunate amongst us.
- This plan has been evaluated by both the Congressional Budget Office and independent economists who all note that my plan will save hundreds of billions of dollars over the next decade and longer.
- It is not perfect, but is the right step towards a fair health insurance plan that all can be a part of. It is the capitalist solution to a very personal and intimate necessity of life and society."
Then, he takes a curtain away from a placard.
"Sounds like a great plan, right? Thankfully, my plan was passed by both houses of congress at the end of 2009. My plan is called the Affordable Care Act, and it is already saving lives, the finances of millions, and helping to reduce the federal debt. See how at the bipartisan website, www.ACASaves.org"
Is that too easy, or what? Appeals to emotion, reason, and pocketbooks, the website could have independent verification from all sorts of fact-checkers, economists, doctors, scientists, insurance agencies, hospital administrators, etc.
It seems like the Dems just haven't conveyed these points well and that is why there is so much "Grab yer torches and pitchforks" mentality. Maybe I am way off base.
Ready Up Already
Neo Member
Not 6 years old - 6 months old. Halfway to her lifetime cap at 6 months.
Ooooh. I think I was thinking the wrong daughter during the speech. That's even crazier, geeze.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
I wouldn't make it a democratic ad, in retrospect, just a Super-PAC ad. That way it can truly be "Bi-Partisan" and not have the souring effect of having centrist President Obama approving the message at the end.
There are so many legitimate concerns about President Obama's presidency, that the focus on a constitutionally proven law that benefits tens of millions is just STUPID.
Romney is a fool, that much is certain, and he is beholden to very evil donors, but he could be doing so much more to be a compassionate deficit hawk than a warlord multimillionaire more concerned to returning things to how they were with absolutely no replacement plan (which would have to be more socialist to improve it...LOL) than to support an obviously Republican solution to a very real problem.
There are so many legitimate concerns about President Obama's presidency, that the focus on a constitutionally proven law that benefits tens of millions is just STUPID.
Romney is a fool, that much is certain, and he is beholden to very evil donors, but he could be doing so much more to be a compassionate deficit hawk than a warlord multimillionaire more concerned to returning things to how they were with absolutely no replacement plan (which would have to be more socialist to improve it...LOL) than to support an obviously Republican solution to a very real problem.
speculawyer
Member
Of course that also highlights our out-of-control healthcare costs. :/
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
The only thing stopping Michelle Obama from taking a serious run in 2016 would be her own ambition. Good god that woman can give a speech.
Officerrob
Banned
I would like to see her take back Barack's old senate seat first
Its finally nice to see everyone rallying behind obamacare and explaining what good can come from it. Dems thought it would be best to run from it in 2010 letting republicans control the narrative which sure as hell didnt work. People don't even understand what it is still to this day.
PhoenixDark
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Giving speeches makes people qualified to be president now? I thought the speech was amazing but you guys are going too far. She has never held elected office before
I doubt she'd even want to be president if she could be
Basileus777
Member
2016? Hah. She'd need to pull a Hillary and spend a decade building experience before it would even be possible.
maybe she could be a senator real fast in some liberal state.
TacticalFox88
Banned
DNC was pure ether in one night.
That was pretty much rape with no lube. hahahaha.
GOP must be pissed now. They have to deal with the Clint Eastwood AND the utter ownage Dems are bringing. hahahahaha
Delicious.
That was pretty much rape with no lube. hahahaha.
GOP must be pissed now. They have to deal with the Clint Eastwood AND the utter ownage Dems are bringing. hahahahaha
Delicious.
I see what etc. etc.
Only the peasants who don't want to sell their stocks.
So true, I have wealthy friends whose parents would rather pay for their kid's Cobra than endorse Obamacare.
No, that would be the act of an entitled political opportunist riding on her harismatic president husband's coattails, and Pheonix would never accuse Michele of that.
Eh, Castro was getting a lot of hype. I'd argue Deval Patrick came out of nowhere.
jamesinclair
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SouthernDragon
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What's really interesting is the Democratic Party collectively finding their gumption.
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