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Black Republican
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Romney would kill for this, Best obama could do is maybe have 50-44 over romney going into debates
oh and i apologize to gaf for posting freerepublic, ugh
RustyNails
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Dat BLS jobs report?
Technically it's down a net 4% since he lost 2% in approval and gained 2% in disapproval. Since that is a 3 day average vs. a 7 day average like the election comparison it is likely the post-convention bounce is starting to come back to earth. Although it was silly to assume it would last more than a few days.
I don't think anyone assumed the bump would last, the debate I thought was it was assumed there would be no bump at all
Dat sampling error.
Nate Silver thinks it's possible that the bump is big enough that some of it will persist.
Fahrenheit 9/11 made $119m, over $200m WW. While its not exactly the same thing, don't be surprised when a movie is made that caters to a fervant segment of the population politically.
Its the same reason Rush, Hannity and FOX News are so successful.
Black Republican
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am i dreaming?
Now, that was not the case going into the DNC as we all were told that big bumps just did not happen anymore. Only after the DNC did we all realize it was not bumps don't happen it was just Romney and the RNC stunk and failed to connect with voters.
Who said this?
Those dorks will be the first in line to cast their vote for him.
That's how I think things will play out too.
Though I'm guessing it will start with a public option as opposed to medicare for all, for political reasons (avoiding the wrath of the insurance companies for as long as you can).
"Keep your government hands off my Obamacare!"
speculawyer
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Do you think he actually fired steel workers directly? No, he gets someone else to do the dirty work.
Not going to happen in 2016, but that will happen eventually. I think it'll take a few more states implementing single payer before the country warms up to it enough.
And it's kind of surprising someone would be surprised by Obamacare becoming the right wing position.... It was essentially a right wing idea. It is a right wing position. It's a compromise from the very beginning.
Romney is such a joke. Hes going to give the rich a 20% tax cut........but not really.....but hes not going to tell us how hes going to do it.
Its pretty much the same with all his other "points". Hes going to replace Obamacare with something better.......but won't tell us what. Hes going to increase military spending but not say on what. Its incredibly vague nonsense. No wonder why he is taking such a hit after the conventions. I think a lot of people saw through all the bullshit and aren't like what they are hearing.
From FreeRepublic via Romney keeping some of Obamacare intact;
They aren't too happy.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2928616/posts
Wow, look at the picture on the wall.
speculawyer
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Romney trying SO hard not to explicitly say that he's Mormon.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/meet-the-press/48959951/#48959951
His faith is kiss of death for him. He can't ever bring it up. It's like Obama talking about being black. He just can't. People don't want to hear it.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/meet-the-press/48959951/#48959951
His faith is kiss of death for him. He can't ever bring it up. It's like Obama talking about being black. He just can't. People don't want to hear it.
PhoenixDark
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It would be interesting for a reporter to ask about the faith's views on black people before the mid 70s
Why would you even do that?
How does it make sense on any level?
Are you trying to evoke images of the 1980 Moscow Olympics?
And why would you try to pas... ahhh fuck it.
Aaron Strife
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Hillary is 44.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
It's so stupid. They are just throwing anything crap they can.. what possible reason would any president want gas prices to be high? lol
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Maybe not 2016, but I can see it happening eventually. Liberals always wanted single payer. Obamacare was the compromise.
Which is why it will be the exact place you'll find me come November 6th.
Aaron Strife
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So he can win the election!
I think by 2016 opposition to it will be tempered, since most of the bill will have gone through by then and it'd be a logistical nightmare to repeal it.
Maybe in 2020 or 2024 Republicans will attack Democrats for trying to tarnish the legacy of Barack Obama. He'll be like Clinton, but without the personal scandals dragging him down.
Insurance gets to expensive -> politicians do public option
Public option gets 80-90% participation rate -> single payer
TacticalFox88
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They aren't even in the same galaxy as Stormfront.
The only truly frightening thing about them is the number of PT Cruisers in their parking lot. Plus whatever PD drives.
Speaking of odd online forums, my wife is a huge frequenter of christianforums, and debates with them there quite often even though she is no longer a Christian. They have some pretty silly people over there, too, in the political threads, though I don't think she's the sole island of reason.
Yeah.
I can also totally see this starting at the state level.
Most states are big enough to run a public insurance program, and it will get most of the (stupid) constitutional bickering out of the way.
Not to mention that politically, it will be much easier to pass in solid blue states.
To be fair, they were close. Hillary is 45, not 44.
brianmcdoogle
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Listening to MTP, I wish someone would ask a politician who says that tax payer money shouldn't be used for abortions why my taxes must be used for killing a person with the death penalty since I believe that to be morally wrong.
So if Obama wins, we just have to implement all the features of Obamacare in 2014, and the debate will be over.
It's like playing red zone defense with a lead in the final minutes. You just need to keep them from scoring. You win if you get the ball back. Obama can win this election and then take a knee.
Once that's in place, I'm hopeful that mass public discontent over the mandate will mean we get the public option by 2016.
Same here. I might register an account for the hell of it. After all the "Marxist Kenyan Muslim" posts I've had to endure for four years, I won't be holding back.
It's like playing red zone defense with a lead in the final minutes. You just need to keep them from scoring. You win if you get the ball back. Obama can win this election and then take a knee.
Once that's in place, I'm hopeful that mass public discontent over the mandate will mean we get the public option by 2016.
Same here. I might register an account for the hell of it. After all the "Marxist Kenyan Muslim" posts I've had to endure for four years, I won't be holding back.
You know what they say about prevent defense...
Vermont is already on this path. I think by 2017 they'll have single payer.
What I'd like to see happen is businesses flocking to single payer states because it lifts the healthcare burden off of them. Then the rest of the states all wonder wtf and have to implement it themselves or pressure the federal government to implement it because they're losing out.
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El Oh fucking El.
These people live in a completely different reality.
Apparently it is possible to pleasure one's self to the idea of the free market. I had never considered that such a fetish existed, but Free Republic offers abundant proof that it does.
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