PoliGAF 2012 |OT3| If it's not a legitimate OT the mods have ways to shut it down

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Jooney said:
Daily Show's segment on taking the dems to task for not having a good defence to the "Are you better off?" question is amazing.
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They really do need to turn it around and use it to their advantage, in the same way Romney (twisted) around the "You didn't build it" comment. And the ammo for it is there.

There have been glimpses of it, but they need a punchy and consistent response.
 
Measley said:
Lets not forget the welfare angle. All of those trips and vacations on the public dime have been the topic of many right wing blogs. Cause you know, first ladies never traveled using public money. Rush Limbaugh has been calling her "Moochelle Obama" for quite awhile now.
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That's pretty ironic since Michelle would destroy Rush (even in his physical prime) in any athletic contest.
 
Averon said:
That was one hell of a speech from Michelle. Ann Romney’s cannot really compare to that. The difference in both speeches was stark, to say the least.
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Yes absolutely.

Ann Romney looked like she was giving a detached speech at a charity or corporate event. Michelle on the other hand actually looked he she was talking to the audience/viewers as if she was talking to a small classroom of people connecting with each person. It was just a lot more intimate and personal. It was just a lot more human.

I wasn't really looking forward to the Dem convention, but after seeing the Castro and Michelle Obama speech, I'm excited to hear what's in store for the remainder of the week.
 
I'd vote for Michelle over any given Republican, but I'd vote for any given Democrat over Michelle. Any.

Guys, I love the Obama family as much as anyone and I will be first in line in November to give Barack a 2nd term, but the only way I'm going to vote for Michelle is in a general election. There is literally nothing that could make me vote in a primary for a close relative of a former president over someone else, regardless of qualifications or how much I like the person.

I would never have voted for Hillary in the primary, even if it meant voting for someone who couldn't win, like Kucinich. The office should not have anything resembling dynastic succession in it, it's just not right.
 
I think the future of the party is in the hands of folks like Kirsten Gillibrand, Julian Castro, Gavin Newsom, and Deval Patrick.
 
I wish I had been around to comment on Romney's speech as it was going on. I bet there were some laughs to be had.

I just got to the part where he said that Obama's $716 billion cut to Medicare to finance Obamacare will depress innovation and jobs in medicine.

I am laughing pretty hard at this. He's just made the claim that cutting government spending on a socialized healthcare program in favor of a private sector-oriented healthcare program will discourage innovation.
 
Angry Fork said:
I would be really worried if Obama wins. I honestly think some tea partier will try something on him for sure. The people on the right are on the verge of exploding and resting all their hopes on Romney/Ryan winning. Things are so bad with them they are so paranoid and hysterical there's no way they're going to be okay with it.
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Get out of here with that.
 
Caught up on the last couple of pages.

Not sure where the sentiment that Michelle would run for office is coming from. She doesn't strike me as someone who is interested in politics; not gonna happen.
 
Finally finished the Romney speech. Dear god, I wish I had those 37 minutes back.

Once he got past the personal anecdotes, he seemed less awkward, but just as ludicrous. There's no platform here. He talks about the military a lot, and seems to think we should get tough with Iran and Russia. He talks repeatedly about not allowing military cuts, to much applause. Yet he wants to balance the budget, and he also isn't willing to cut Medicare or raise taxes. There is no way he can balance the budget with this plan. It's not mathematically possible.

He seems to think that school vouchers are the way to improve American vocational skills. He blames Obama for a lot of trends (rising healthcare costs, rising fuel costs, unemployment) that were either well underway before he took office, or which he has zero control over. He's oblivious to the fact that we are, for the most part, better off than we were in January 2009. The whole thing is like a parody of a real political speech.

Frankly, I'm shocked that this guy is the best the Republican party could muster to go up against Obama.

There are going to be some salty tears the day after the election. I really can't wait. I want these fuckers to feel that God has forsaken them.
 
Puddles said:
Frankly, I'm shocked that this guy is the best the Republican party could muster to go up against Obama.

There are going to be some salty tears the day after the election. I really can't wait. I want these fuckers to feel that God has forsaken them.
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I'm sticking with the belief that the people who really know what they're doing sent him to die.
 
Puddles said:
Frankly, I'm shocked that this guy is the best the Republican party could muster to go up against Obama.

There are going to be some salty tears the day after the election. I really can't wait. I want these fuckers to feel that God has forsaken them.
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The best the GOP had sat out this election.

So for the bump or no bump conversation i think more analysts should look at the similarities to 2004. You have a party with high enthusiasm but middling tolerance of their candidate, a red meat convention really adds nothing to this group (it did nothing for Kerry).

What was Bush's bump in 2004?
 
gcubed said:
The best the GOP had sat out this election.

So for the bump or no bump conversation i think more analysts should look at the similarities to 2004. You have a party with high enthusiasm but middling tolerance of their candidate, a red meat convention really adds nothing to this group (it did nothing for Kerry).
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Honestly, I believe that Dems liked Kerry more than Republicans like Romney. I mean, Republicans openly acknowledge that Romney is a lying flip flopper, and they just accept it because they have no one else. Then there's that whole libertarian wing of the party that thinks that the establishment is out to destroy them. Kerry only really needed to win one swing state to win the 2004 election. The margins were razor thin. This election is going to be nothing like that.

I don't think this election is even going to be close. Obama and Biden are going to smash Romney and Ryan into pieces during the debates, and coast right on to re-election.
 
Holy shit. I just listened to Michelle's speech from last night, and woah, that was one hell of a good speech. I almost felt a tinge of a tear at the end. I really didn't expect her speech to be that good.

She did everything that Ann Romney needed to do, but didn't. I wonder if she wrote that after Ann's speech, and took notes on what she needed to convey that Ann didn't succeed at. Either way, a most excellent speech that I thoroughly enjoyed. I need to listen to Castro's speech now, I heard it was decent too.


The Technomancer said:
I'm sticking with the belief that the people who really know what they're doing sent him to die.
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I think most of the real Republican candidates, people who really have a serious shot at the Presidency, sat this one out because Obama as an incumbent was not going to be an easy opponent. They strategically are waiting for 2016, and so the party propped up Romney as a gap filler. And part of me thinks Romney is in on this and okay with it. The vapid platform he is running on coupled with the serious lack of substance has me convinced of this. He isn't even really trying. And if he is, then I'm embarrassed to call myself a Republican. I mean, I already am with the way the party is nowadays, but you know what I mean...
 
Measley said:
Honestly, I believe that Dems liked Kerry more than Republicans like Romney. I mean, Republicans openly acknowledge that Romney is a lying flip flopper, and they just accept it because they have no one else. Then there's that whole libertarian wing of the party that thinks that the establishment is out to destroy them. Kerry only really needed to win one swing state to win the 2004 election. The margins were razor thin. This election is going to be nothing like that.

I don't think this election is even going to be close. Obama and Biden are going to smash Romney and Ryan into pieces during the debates, and coast right on to re-election.
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I was only referencing the similarities in relation to expected convention bumps, not the GE.

I think it would be interesting to see pre convention enthusiasm vs convention bounce
 
Quick question fellas - Obama's chance or been re-elected is better than his chances of been elected the first time around at this point in the game right?
 
Mengy said:
I think most of the real Republican candidates, people who really have a serious shot at the Presidency, sat this one out because Obama as an incumbent was not going to be an easy opponent. They strategically are waiting for 2016, and so the party propped up Romney as a gap filler. And part of me thinks Romney is in on this and okay with it. The vapid platform he is running on coupled with the serious lack of substance has me convinced of this. He isn't even really trying. And if he is, then I'm embarrassed to call myself a Republican. I mean, I already am with the way the party is nowadays, but you know what I mean...
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Could explain why Romney and Ryan are taking the week off from campaigning.
 
Measley said:
I think the future of the party is in the hands of folks like Kirsten Gillibrand, Julian Castro, Gavin Newsom, and Deval Patrick.
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Gillibrand is a Wall Street stooge and Israel slappy, Castro is a huge nafta guy, Newsom cheated in his wife, and no one thinks Patrick is a good governor. But they all give good speeches so none of that matters right

Guys like Martin O'Malley or Mark Warner will likely be the future of the party. No flash but experienced leaders with more inoffensive records than the Cuomos and Gillibrands of the party
 
PhoenixDark said:
Guys like Martin O'Malley or Mark Warner will likely be the future of the party. No flash but experienced leaders with more inoffensive records than the Cuomos and Gillibrands of the party
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I think the future of politics skews more towards flash than towards substance with the way that the media has evolved over the last decade.

With Obama, I'm quite happy because he brings both though I wish he'd bring more flash after the election period; outside of the election cycles, he's done a horrible job of communicating the successes of his office and of the Democrats.

But in general, you might see more tickets like Obama/Biden with flash as the headliner and experience as the second act.
 
PhoenixDark said:
Gillibrand is a Wall Street stooge and Israel slappy, Castro is a huge nafta guy, Newsom cheated in his wife, and no one thinks Patrick is a good governor. But they all give good speeches so none of that matters right
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By the the time Castro would be running the demographics will be completely different and it might not be a cross to bear supporting NAFTA

Not to mention it was key Clinton legislation and since he is the Democrats version Reagan I am not so sure that is a bad thing.
 
CharlieDigital said:
Caught up on the last couple of pages.

Not sure where the sentiment that Michelle would run for office is coming from. She doesn't strike me as someone who is interested in politics; not gonna happen.
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Yeah, I've gotten this impression from a few biographies, game change, and even her speech last night. Michelle was not happy at all with what Obama's senate career did to his family life. Zero chance she puts herself and family through it again.
 
Zaptruder said:
Quick question fellas - Obama's chance or been re-elected is better than his chances of been elected the first time around at this point in the game right?
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At this specific moment? Probably.

Over the course of the campaign? I dunno, I think he had more advantages in the previous campaign, but since he wasn't the incumbent things were more fluid. At no point in this cycle will he have an opening as wide as when the financial catastrophe occurred and McCain decided to interject the campaigns into the middle of it.
 
This particular narrative doesn't make sense. It's like they are grasping at straws now.

Republicans step up effort to tie Obama to Carter

"The only two incumbent presidents who could not tell Americans that they are better off than they were when they took office are Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter," said Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus in a statement. "Gas prices are through the roof, our trade deficit is too high, spending is out of control, and unemployment is at record high levels. President Carter was right—'we are at a turning point in our history.' We need to fire President Obama, hire Governor Romney, and get our country turned around."
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Aren't gas prices high because: A) Stuff that occured during Bush's terms and B) Isaac?

False equivalency much?
 
Wilsongt said:
This particular narrative doesn't make sense. It's like they are grasping at straws now.

Republicans step up effort to tie Obama to Carter

Aren't gas prices high because: A) Stuff that occured during Bush's terms and B) Isaac?

False equivalency much?
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Not really sure what that is going to do, Obama is more like Clinton then Carter if we are going by achievements. Plus Carter lost because he took on Reagan...Romney is in no way Reagan
 
Wilsongt said:
Aren't gas prices high because: A) Stuff that occured during Bush's terms
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No.

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giga said:
Pretty sure Obama has a lever right at his desk where he controls the gas price, dude.
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Funny you should mention that: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...a-and-dems-blast-bush-for-gas-prices-in-2008/
 
We are so much better off than we were in January 2009, holy shit. The bottom completely fell out of the economy starting around August 2008.
 
Romney Camp Announces Black Leadership Council
Mitt Romney's campaign on Wednesday announced its Black Leadership Council, chaired by Reps. Tim Scott and Allen West. The council will "help facilitate dialogue between Mitt Romney and respected leaders who provide unique expertise, experience and knowledge on a range of issues impacting black American communities," according to the campaign.
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/romney-camp-announces-black-leadership-council
 
Wilsongt said:
Gas prices were high under Bush, then crashed, then rose again due to what was going on in the Middle East and speculation. Got it.
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it crashed due to millions of people being unemployed and stopping driving.


Any leadership council that includes Allen West is instantly something i want to attend
 
Ok now that I've stopped laughing, Allen West? Really? Are these meeting going to be on C-SPAN because that is something that will be amazing.
 
gcubed said:
it crashed due to millions of people being unemployed and stopping driving.


Any leadership council that includes Allen West is instantly something i want to attend
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So the higher gas prices are symbolic of a working society, and just overall world events and inflation has caused them to more expensive than the beginning of the bush era?
 
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/sununu-obama-breaks-bill-clintons-legacy-shatters-it

Sununu: Obama Breaks Bill Clinton’s Legacy, ‘Shatters It With A Sledgehammer And Runs Over It With A Steamroller’


Can someone explain the GOP's love of the Clintions? They went from accusing Bill and Hillary of outright murder and impeachment to praising both almost every chance they get. This love fest, if my memory serves me right, even goes back to the 2008 Dem primaries.
 
Wilsongt said:
So the higher gas prices are symbolic of a working society, and just overall world events and inflation has caused them to more expensive than the beginning of the bush era?
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Lack of a serious push for alternative energy and low mileage standards for cars are pretty high on the list too.
 
CharlieDigital said:
Well let's just see what Bill thinks about it himself tonight.

This is a patently stupid attack because Bill Clinton is still alive and can, in his own voice, attest to whether Obama has "shattered" his legacy.
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The GOP does not really think before it speaks, otherwise they would not have made the welfare claims they did while the president who signed those into law was still alive and coherent to call bullshit
 
Averon said:
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/sununu-obama-breaks-bill-clintons-legacy-shatters-it

Sununu: Obama Breaks Bill Clinton’s Legacy, ‘Shatters It With A Sledgehammer And Runs Over It With A Steamroller’


Can someone explain the GOP's love of the Clintions? They went from accusing Bill and Hillary of outright murder and impeachment to praising both almost every chance they get. This love fest, if my memory serves me right, even goes back to the 2008 Dem primaries.
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with Billy at an approval of 66% that isnt just from dems, GOP knows he's not seen as a far lefty liberal by the public.
 
Averon said:
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/sununu-obama-breaks-bill-clintons-legacy-shatters-it

Sununu: Obama Breaks Bill Clinton’s Legacy, ‘Shatters It With A Sledgehammer And Runs Over It With A Steamroller’


Can someone explain the GOP's love of the Clintions? They went from accusing Bill and Hillary of outright murder and impeachment to praising both almost every chance they get. This love fest, if my memory serves me right, even goes back to the 2008 Dem primaries.
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Fellating Bill Clinton right before he goes on stage and endorses Obama and then blames the Republican party for building all the debt might not be such a smart thing to do
 
Officerrob said:
Fellating Bill Clinton right before he goes on stage and endorses Obama and then blames the Republican party for building all the debt might not be such a smart thing to do
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Anything the Republican party has been doing lately cannot be classified as smart, so this is par for the course.
 
So remember how we were all happy that early voting hours in Ohio would be restored because of a court order? Well, Ohio’s Secretary of State, Jon Husted, is refusing to comply.

Ohio’s Secretary of State, Jon Husted, will not set new early voting hours despite a court order, according to a memo released by his office.

“Announcing new hours before the court case reaches final resolution will only serve to confuse voters,” the memo states. “Therefore, there is no valid reason for my office or the county boards of elections to set hours for in-person absentee voting the last three days before the election at this time.”
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He's arguing that because it's being appealed by GOP shitheels, there's no reason to change anything until that appeal is ruled on... whenever it is.
 
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