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empty vessel
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Ah, yes, it does.
TacticalFox88
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Yup. Anyone who continues to deny that the vast majority of the Repbulicans and their base aren't racist or have racial bias and prejudice exemplified by White Privilege is delusional. You've have 5+ years of the evidence practically screaming at you in your face, FFS!
JetBlackPanda
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beaten but here you go.
If it's a Fox News "reporter", I'd pay good money to see that.
NYCmetsfan
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Its still horrible we're debating these disastrously low spending levels but when it comes to pragmatic governing spending some money is better than none when its impossible to get above them at this point.
PhoenixDark
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I doubt the discharge will get 10 republicans to sign it. I support trying it but at this point it's clear that the only people with less guts in the House of Representatives than John Boehner are moderate republicans. Especially Peter King and his wily band of cowards.
Really starting to get pissed about healthcare.gov. The site should have been ready beyond the first 24 hours of traffic load.
where does this madness end
ugh. It is true. 20+ GOPers adopt a position but don't vote that way. What would make this time any different
where does this madness end
JetBlackPanda
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yeah huuuuuge fuckup here.. its causing people that are genuinely curious to give up.
NYCmetsfan
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No Republican will sign it besides maybe the Virginia Representatives. I see its use as a messaging tool, showing that its Boehner holding this whole thing up. Only voting on his bill. Counters #letstalk with #letsvotes.
Its silly and sophomoric but its where our government is at this point. Battling hashtags
PhoenixDark
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the hits keep coming
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...acares-celebrity-enrollee-actually-signed-up/
3 years to prepare.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...acares-celebrity-enrollee-actually-signed-up/
3 years to prepare.
jamesinclair
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Good, because voting for a GOP "shrink government" bill is far from a victory
edit, never mind they'd amend it to be identical to the Senate bill.
NYCmetsfan
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This is their victory flag?
But that's based on Stalin, not Hitler, so it's totally cool. Checkmate, liberals!
Full list of this PAC's other videos: http://www.thehousemajoritypac.com/our-work
The irony. People could start thinking the law has been delayed because the site isn't working.
As PD said, three years to prepare and the website is a piss poor mess. From coding to grammatical errors, it is just an embarrassment.
NYCmetsfan
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Yeah as I said yesterday DC ran great. Though I didn't sign up as I already have Insurance.
I have a question to the health policy wonks: Last night I was talking to a girl who I believe owns a farm and their family had bought insurance privately but now claimed she was being thrown off her plan and her premiums were going up by $700. Of course Obamacare was to blame.
Its this actually a widespread phenomenon or one of those rare cases where their plan wasn't meeting ACA guidelines or wasn't profitable enough?
StopMakingSense
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If she is being thrown off her plan, how are her premiums going up?
Black Mamba
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I don't understand what's negative here. All he said was the reporters misstated what he said. He applied and has pretty much decided on his plan but didn't submit it yet.
Also, The Covered California website has been good. I've already shopped around for my parents and will sign them up soon. They're going to pay way less than half what they pay now through their employee with subsidies (they qualify since the employer insurance is > 9.5% of their income). And the plan they get looks better on face, but i need to go back and compare their current one.
Black Mamba
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Everyone who currently has an individual plan is being "thrown off" and onto the exchanges. None of those plans will be valid starting January 1st.
And yeah, all the premiums are going up and since her family owns a farm, my guess is they are well off so their premiums are going to go up a lot ($700 is for 2 people or more, I assume).
People who earn a lot and own their own business will have a rate shock. I'm not crying for them.
The new plans, which are about the same, have a much higher price tag.
link?
Well, not to harp on the ACA, but -- I've had a private insurance plan since I was 20-21. Because of this my premium has been crazy low, as well as a $500 deductible. However upon calling my insurance company I have been told that my plan is obsolete and thus at the end of 2014 will be cancelled, and I will have to get a new plan during open enrollment next year, or go with one at whatever company I will be at.
Fine. But I'd really like to fucking see what my options are; the longer it takes to get online and see the more frustrated I get. This is truly unacceptable. I'm not even committing to a plan yet, I just want to see what my options are. The server is seriously a mess. I got like seven confirmation e-mails saying I have "new information" in the marketplace but I can't log in to see it.
And say what you will, but this really does go against Obama's claim that "if you like your health insurance plan, you can keep it". It's really only a half-true statement.
PhoenixDark
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lol
jamesinclair
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This shit isn't going to end until the debt ceiling fight. We're in for the long haul. God help us.
Black Mamba
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At the debt ceiling limit.
This shutdown is going on till near October 17th. At this point, it's time to accept it. We're not going to get something new this week that will end it.
It's time to stop being hopeful and be realistic. I gave up on this yesterday.
NYCmetsfan
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That was my basic understanding. I echo the fact that I'm not a crying for her but its hard to tell someone that's not worth ditching a plan that helps millions more and she's not going to suffer by any objective measures, it sucks yeah but she still has care and isn't paying and exorbitant amount more. She did also say she can't see her doctor now since I guess he's not on any of the exchange plans. And yeah its for a family and I had a hard time figuring out if it was $700 for the year or month.
Independents don't care about Harry Reid. And Dems need their base read for 2014. I say get more aggressive. The goal here is to break republicans.
This is an unexpected side of you -- you're now afraid that the Democrats AREN'T BEING COMPROMISING ENOUGH.
PhoenixDark
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Exactly. Let Boehner stew in his failure a bit longer. Don't allow any unforced errors and this will end soon-ish.
Black Mamba
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Yup. And as the debt limit nears, Obama can use primetime national addresses to fuck them over.
Just hold the line.
Also:
platypotamus
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Meh, just like awful MMO launches with queues and what not, there will be no major long term effects here.
NYCmetsfan
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Its true for 80% of Americans but it is easy for the GOP to bring up in ads. Sucks about the website. What were your premiums before the ACA? I was looking at the DC marketplace and they prices for under $1000 deductible were like 200 or 250. I don't know how they'd be in PA
Holy moly, pigeon. That's not quite what I said. He shouldn't roll over, I'm not saying that. I'm saying he needs to play it cool and stop being so emotional, especially if this is going to last until the 17th. Don't wanna burn yourself out too early. That's all I meant.
calm the fuck down =/= rolling over to GOP demands
I'm with the October 17th crowd at this point, nothing will get done until then, so that means I will be working for 8 days without funding that's about $2100, pre-deductions, of pay I don't know when I will get back (my agency said they had money until Monday). And for those who are very clever, no I don't get Columbus day off. During a shutdown you do not get federal holidays off.
I know I have it better than a lot of fellow federal employees who have also had weekly or bi-weekly furloughs as well. It still pisses me off though.
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Also I am the sole income for my family.
I know I have it better than a lot of fellow federal employees who have also had weekly or bi-weekly furloughs as well. It still pisses me off though.
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Also I am the sole income for my family.
Gucci Messiah
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Eh, that is quite a large generalization you're making there. While there's no doubt in my mind that some of these tea party members are racist, projecting that image on the whole party is wrong in my opinion. I have plenty of staunchly conservative friends who aren't racist; they just grew up in an echo chamber and have a very narrow viewpoint.
NYCmetsfan
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Keep putting the pressure on Boehner, they ball has always been in his court.
Now they got a two front plan with Reid and the discharge.
PhoenixDark
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Meanwhile, Alabama's governor has declared a state of emergency due to the hurricane about to hit there. FEMA personnel are furloughed but will be responding.
If the storm does substantial damage there's going to be a lot of push from Alabama republicans to get something done/pass an aid package. I eagerly await Ted Cruz's views on this matter.
If the storm does substantial damage there's going to be a lot of push from Alabama republicans to get something done/pass an aid package. I eagerly await Ted Cruz's views on this matter.
Black Mamba
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Stay strong. Hopefully, you have some money put away to keep you and your family afloat through this. I can't imagine this not ending by the 17th so at least it's less than a month.
If I run into a House GOP member I'd punch him in the face for you (well, I'd pretend to do it, anyway; prison doesn't seem fun).
empty vessel
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Tell her she is subsidizing her future self. I don't understand how people do not understand that they age over time. Absent Obamacare, as she ages she eventually becomes entirely uninsurable before she reaches Medicare age (especially with idiots trying to push the Medicare age limit upward). And what insurance is available at that age is obscenely priced. If she is getting hit by an increase now, she would be entirely unable to afford insurance later. Therefore, she is paying more now but will pay less later (and be insured and not bankrupt).
smokeandmirrors
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But I'm from New Jersey and these people shouldn't get any aid because of reasons
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Good luck to the people who are going to be affected. Let's hope this passes without much issue.
Insanely low. Less than $160 with a $500 deductible. I have no idea how I lucked out. I wasn't in on some big group plan, nope. It was just me. I would guess perhaps it is because I did it when I was 20-21 like I said before (I am thinking I might have been 19, cannot remember, it has been so long). No joke -- when I first signed up for the plan, it was $80 a month with a $500 deductible. :lol I had to call and see if it was a mistake. It wasn't...
That said, whenever I get a full time job I'm probably just going to go on the company's health plan -- or if the ACA plans are decent I might bite. Reason being is because my premiums have risen $40 in the past year alone, making it not that great of a deal anymore. Not to mention, my health care plan does not cover preventative stuff like heart monitoring, colonoscopies, etc. -- well, it is 80/20 or 60/40 depending on where you go, but that can still be over $1000, and afaik a lot of the ACA plans cover that (unless I am mistaken). No mental health coverage as well.
I know Obama's message applied to 80% of the public but it was just poor messaging. That extra 20% no doubt consists of people like farmers who were probably depending on those plans, obsolete as they may be. This may or may not prove to be a thorn in Democrats' side depending on how it plays out. We'll see.
I am anticipating somewhere between $170-240 a month but thanks for the heads up. And mostly every plan has at least a $750 deductible, even company plans before I got laid off were that.
Black Mamba
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Now, what she pays later is unchanged. Not that I disagree with you, just to clarify that now your price is based on age, location, and whether you smoke.
Diablos, how old are you?
I just turned 30 which explains the premium hike.
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