• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

PoliGAF 2014 |OT| Kay Hagan and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad News

Status
Not open for further replies.
N

NYCmetsfan

Banned
Jay Carney russian/soviet plant confirmed!!!

drudge-siren.gif

WdCgpHY.jpg

drudge-siren.gif


He was Time's Moscow bureau chief
 
C

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
speculawyer said:
Wow, that sounds like great progress! And hopefully your state's problems will not be in vain . . . other states can learn from the problems your state had and not make the same mistakes. Private prisons really do seem like a bad idea due to conflicts of interest. No one should really have a vested interest in getting more people into prison.
Click to expand...

The biggest issue we ran into was that the company hired to run the state penitentiary, Corrections Corporation of America, understaffed the prison in order to save money. There were gangs that had autonomy within sections of the prison and it was understood that the guards weren't to go there. It was a really violent, crazy, unfortunate and unnecessary situation.
 
A

Aaron Strife

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
It's ironic that you're focusing on a blatant outlier poll. I can't find the original link anywhere btw, but the story you linked claims the poll had a large democrat sample in Arkansas.
Click to expand...
Like you've never done that

Also Arkansas has a lot of self-identified Democrats who vote Republican anyway, similarly to West Virginia, Louisiana and Kentucky.
 
N

NYCmetsfan

Banned
http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/stephen-colberts-vile-political-blackface#.U0b5yymLkB0.twitter

Last week, after President Obama gave his highly-mockable “Mission Accomplished” speech announcing that 7.1 million Americans had selected an Obamacare plan, Comedy Central’s Stephen Colbert hit the airwaves. He did mock. But instead of mocking Obama’s laughably manipulated 7.1 million number, he did his usual routine: pretending to be a cluelessly cruel right-winger, Colbert spat, “I wish I could come to you with some good news, but the worst imaginable thing has happened: Millions of Americans are going to get healthcare.”

This routine, in which Colbert plays at conservatism in order to portray it as unendingly ugly, should be labeled for what it is: vile political blackface. When Colbert plays “Colbert,” it’s not mere mockery or satire or spoof. It’s something far nastier.

Blackface, which has an ugly history dating back to at least the fifteenth century according to historian John Strausbaugh, was used to portray demeaning and horrifying stereotypes of blacks. Such stereotypical imitation has not been limited to blacks, of course; actors tasked with playing stereotypical Jew Shylock often donned a fake nose and red wig, as did actors who were supposed to play Barabas in The Jew of Malta. Such stereotypical potrayals create a false sense of blacks, or Jews, or whomever becomes the target of such nastiness.

And this is precisely what Colbert does with regard to politics: he engages in Conservativeface. He needs no makeup or bulbous appendage to play a conservative – after all, conservatives come in every shape and size. Instead, he acts as though he is a conservative – an idiotic, racist, sexist, bigoted, brutal conservative. He out-Archie Bunkers Archie Bunker. His audience laughs and scoffs at brutal religious “Colbert” who wishes to persecute gays; they chortle at evil sexist “Colbert” who thinks men are victims of sexism. This is the purpose of Colbert’s routine. His show is about pure hatred for conservatives in the same way that blackface was about pure hatred of blacks. In order to justify their racism, racists had to create a false perception of blacks; in the same way, Colbert and his audience can justify their racism only by creating a false perception of conservatives.

This is why Colbert is such an effective weapon for the left. Unlike Stewart, whose mockery is no different in kind from Greg Gutfeld’s on the other side, Colbert’s shtick is of a different sort: it’s based on creation of a character who doesn’t exist, but the audience is supposed to believe does exist in type. “Colbert” may not be real, but his audience thinks that Colbert’s Conservativeface resembles reality closely enough to suffice as a stand-in for conservatism. Which means that when they do encounter conservatism, they’re firmly convinced they’re looking at “Colbert-ism” in disguise.

It is nearly impossible to watch an episode of The Colbert Report without coming away with a viscerally negative response to conservatives. That’s because if conservatives were all like “Colbert,” they would be worthy of such a response. Colbert’s routine is designed to convince millions of Americans, especially young people, that the real fakery comes from genuine conservatives, who are all as morally ignorant and repulsive on the inside as Colbert’s character is on the surface.

CBS knows that. That’s likely why they aren’t bringing “Colbert” along with Colbert – it’s too offputting, too niche. Instead, they’ll hope that Colbert without the political blackface can be just as entertaining. The problem is this: will 50% of CBS’ audience simply go amnesiac on Colbert’s career-making hate?
Click to expand...
 
C

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
That's amazing! Trying to turn Colbert's satire into something as offensive as blackface is exactly the kind of shit I've come to expect from conservative media.
 
H

Hobbestetrician

Member
vile political blackface.
Click to expand...
At what point does something go so far over someone's head that it actually circles around again?

And are conservatives just now discovering Colbert or are they just extra salty today because someone pulled themselves up by their bootstraps to the top of their profession but not espousing conservative ideals the whole way up?
 
M

Mario

Sidhe / PikPok
Unlike Stewart, whose mockery is no different in kind from Greg Gutfeld’s on the other side, Colbert’s shtick is of a different sort: it’s based on creation of a character who doesn’t exist, but the audience is supposed to believe does exist in type.
Click to expand...

Someone point that person towards a definition and information that explains what "parody" is.
 
S

speculawyer

Member
APKmetsfan said:
http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/stephen-colberts-vile-political-blackface#.U0b5yymLkB0.twitter

Last week, after President Obama gave his highly-mockable “Mission Accomplished” speech announcing that 7.1 million Americans had selected an Obamacare plan, Comedy Central’s Stephen Colbert hit the airwaves. He did mock. But instead of mocking Obama’s laughably manipulated 7.1 million number, he did his usual routine: pretending to be a cluelessly cruel right-winger, Colbert spat, “I wish I could come to you with some good news, but the worst imaginable thing has happened: Millions of Americans are going to get healthcare.”
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

But they have been cheering on the downfall of Obamacare. It wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't true!

And perhaps he can mock the calling the numbers "laughably manipulated" next.
 
B

Black Mamba

Member
Conservatives have a persecution complex.

What that author doesn't seem to understand is that making fun of conservatives for being conservative is okay whereas making fun of blacks for being black is not.

Making fun of choices people make, positions people hold, actions making take is not the same thing as making fun of people because of their DNA to which they have zero control over.

Racism is believing the affected parties are inferior because of how they were born. That is wrong. It is not wrong to believe the affected parties are inferior because of their choices, however.
 
S

speculawyer

Member
WayneMorse said:
If anyone wants to read the left wing alternative to the Ryan budget, the Better Off Budget from the Congressional Progressive Caucus is really good.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The Better Off Budget.pdf

This is the only thing that can save America at this point.
Click to expand...

It annoys me how this budget never gets coverage except maybe someone saying "It raises taxes! Herp Derp!"

The never-will-pass Ryan budget gets coverage.
The never-ever-will-pass more conservative than the Ryan budget gets coverage.

But this one will get no coverage.
 
P

PhoenixDark

Banned
Black Mamba said:
Conservatives have a persecution complex.

What that author doesn't seem to understand is that making fun of conservatives for being conservative is okay whereas making fun of blacks for being black is not.

Making fun of choices people make, positions people hold, actions making take is not the same thing as making fun of people because of their DNA to which they have zero control over.

Racism is believing the affected parties are inferior because of how they were born. That is wrong. It is not wrong to believe the affected parties are inferior because of their choices, however.
Click to expand...

I'd imagine his retort would be "so we can make fun of Muslims now, without the PC police attacking us?"

Sharpio is one of the dumbest people on the right, and that's saying something.
 
P

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
LOL at that blackface article.

My favorite part is when he calls disgust against a political belief system "racism."
 
S

speculawyer

Member
WayneMorse said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/object-thrown-hillary-clinton-speech-23280934

Looks like Hillary got a shoe thrown at her.

edit: article got linked to Drudge, read comments at your own risk.
Click to expand...

Pretty good response by Hilary.

The incident happened moments after Clinton took the stage Thursday at an Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries meeting at the Mandalay Bay hotel-casino.

Clinton ducked but did not appear to be hit by the object, and then joked about it.

"Is that somebody throwing something at me? Is that part of Cirque de Soleil?" Clinton quipped.

She added: "My goodness, I didn't know that solid waste management was so controversial. Thank goodness she didn't play softball like I did."
Click to expand...
 
S

speculawyer

Member
Wilsongt said:
Conservatives won. Pack it up obummer. It's going to take FOREVER to get someone in that position due to the conservative witchhunt cockblock.
Click to expand...
So? Who cares? Leave the seat empty . . . let the bureaucracy just do its job. With no one in the seat they'll have no target for their anger other than Obama and he can handle it.
 
S

speculawyer

Member
PhoenixDark said:
I'd imagine his retort would be "so we can make fun of Muslims now, without the PC police attacking us?"

Sharpio is one of the dumbest people on the right, and that's saying something.
Click to expand...
Well, there is a point to that.

However, there is a subtle distinction. You can make fun of Islam, that is fine. But you can't discriminate against Muslims.

This is one of those things with nuance that conservatives have trouble with. And so do a lot of liberals actually . . . they often attack people who criticize Islam as being 'Islamophobic'.
 
B

Black Mamba

Member
Wilsongt said:
Conservatives won. Pack it up obummer. It's going to take FOREVER to get someone in that position due to the conservative witchhunt cockblock.
Click to expand...

except that Reid went nuclear on the filibuster for appointments.



It's unfortunate she had to resign despite the fact that the exchanges exceeded their goal simply because the beginning was so bad.
 
W

Wilsongt

Member
Black Mamba said:
except that Reid went nuclear on the filibuster for appointments.



It's unfortunate she had to resign despite the fact that the exchanges exceeded their goal simply because the beginning was so bad.
Click to expand...


Yeah. Issa's witch hunt succeeded. Conservatives will claim it as a win, and them state they are one step further to getting rid of the ACA.
 
O

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
How can someone be disappointed/angry at the news that millions of people are getting health insurance, and not be accused of being a heartless douchebag?

How can someone be against the Civl Rights/Voting Rights act and support the right to fly a confederate flag and not be accused of racism?

How can someone be against equal pay for women and not be accused of misogyny?


These aren't fringe positions in the Republican party.
 
T

thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
speculawyer said:
It annoys me how this budget never gets coverage except maybe someone saying "It raises taxes! Herp Derp!"

The never-will-pass Ryan budget gets coverage.
The never-ever-will-pass more conservative than the Ryan budget gets coverage.

But this one will get no coverage.
Click to expand...

And if you go down point by point, damn near every single change is extremely popular, while Paul Ryan's only potentially popular change is the repeal of Obamacare, and I still don't think this method of Obamacare repeal would be seen as popular at all if specifically polled.

You'd think the Progressive bill would have a place at the table as something worth actually discussing as a legitimate idea.

Speaking of which, over the last 2 years there's been a billion polls about repealing obamacare even though it'll never happen, but absolutely 0 polls about a public option, which was extremely popular up to the point where they seemed to just stopped polling it. So thanks to that I can only guess what would be more popular between adding a public option and straight repeal.

The sad truth is those things aren't even in the discussion because only a few democrats in congress would vote for it, while every single last republican will vote for obamacare repeal, or tax cuts for the rich, or non-defense spending cuts, or voucher programs, or any number of crazy republican ideas that have little support in public polling.

Only 2 house republicans say Ryan's budget plan is too conservative, while in 2013 the majority of house democrats voted no on the CPC budget with 84 democrat ayes and 102 nays, and I bet none of those nays are because the progressive's budget is too conservative for them.

You need the democrats to take this plan seriously before the media will take the plan seriously. I just don't know how to do that. I really do think the public support for a progressive voice is already there, I just don't know how to translate it into actions from the democrats. Either they're so focused on Fox News that they can't see that they stand to gain way more disenfranchised voters on the left then they'd lose from the moderate side on the right, or the Bloomberg style donor wing of the party is more influential than I thought.

Democrats can still compromise after these plans fail in order to keep things running, but they need to at least get to the point where the progressive budget is their starting position, just like the Ryan budget is the Republican's starting position, or else the only thing talked about on the news will be the Paul Ryan budget.
 
W

Wilsongt

Member
Oblivion said:
How can someone be disappointed/angry at the news that millions of people are getting health insurance, and not be accused of being a heartless douchebag?

How can someone be against the Civl Rights/Voting Rights act and support the right to fly a confederate flag and not be accused of racism?

How can someone be against equal pay for women and not be accused of misogyny?


These aren't fringe positions in the Republican party.
Click to expand...

This is the current Republican party we are talking about. They just voted to pass the Ryan budget which shits on the poor and shoves more money into the already obese defense budget.
 
C

Chichikov

Member
WayneMorse said:
Colbert taking over the Late Show, hopefully CBS will give him freedom to say and do what he wants.

Gonna miss the Report :( and I feel like CBS is gonna completely suck Colbert's creativity dry so he wont offend anyone.
Click to expand...
Ugh, terrible news.
The late night format needs to die.
 
O

Orbis Tabula

Member
speculawyer said:
Well, there is a point to that.

However, there is a subtle distinction. You can make fun of Islam, that is fine. But you can't discriminate against Muslims.

This is one of those things with nuance that conservatives have trouble with. And so do a lot of liberals actually . . . they often attack people who criticize Islam as being 'Islamophobic'.
Click to expand...

I think the problem is if you tell some people "You can make fun of Islam" they will hear "You can make fun of brown people." As you say, the nuance is important.
 
S

speculawyer

Member
thepotatoman said:
Speaking of which, over the last 2 years there's been a billion polls about repealing obamacare even though it'll never happen, but absolutely 0 polls about a public option, which was extremely popular up to the point where they seemed to just stopped polling it. So thanks to that I can only guess what would be more popular between adding a public option and straight repeal.
Click to expand...
The polls are worse than that. Instead of asking people if it should be repealed or a detailed question, they ask a generic "Do you approve of Obamacare?" . . . and lot of far-left people say "NO!" because they want public option, single-payer, medicare for all, etc. So you end up with this large "disapprove of Obamacare" percentage that misleads people because it is largely conservatives that don't like it but a decent slice of far-lefties that often push the number over the 50% mark.
 
S

speculawyer

Member
EskimoJoe said:
I think the problem is if you tell some people "You can make fun of Islam" they will hear "You can make fun of brown people." As you say, the nuance is important.
Click to expand...
It is indeed very nuanced. A lot of conservatives just don't come close to getting it because they want to be able to bash Islam but then they get all bent out of shape if people criticize Christianity. But many liberals don't get it because there needs to be free speech to criticize any and all religions (and atheism) but that doesn't give you license to disrespect or discriminate against a person of any particular religion.

I guess it is the atheist version of hate the sin but love the sinner. ;-) Well, there is a great way it can be explained by analogy! :)
 
Rhomega Beta

Rhomega Beta

Member
speculawyer said:
It is indeed very nuanced. A lot of conservatives just don't come close to getting it because they want to be able to bash Islam but then they get all bent out of shape if people criticize Christianity.
Click to expand...

The problem is that they feel that they're not allowed to bash Islam, but Islam is allowed to bash Christianity. They can burn Bibles, but they can't burn Qurans, and so on.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

  • Locked
PoliGAF 2017 |OT6| Made this thread during Harvey because the ratings would be higher
338 339 340 341 342
17K
2M
UselessNapkin replied
  • Locked
PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
395 396 397 398 399
20K
2M
RDreamer replied
  • Locked
PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
396 397 398 399 400
20K
2M
ShironRedshift replied
  • Locked
PoliGAF 2017 |OT3| 13 Treasons Why
393 394 395 396 397
20K
2M
Zaraki_Kenpachi replied
  • Locked
Poligaf 2017 |OT| It Almost Isn't Fair
9
4K
Bonen no Max'd replied
Top Bottom