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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On

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Teggy

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Pulled from the Oathkeeper's site (am I going to get my door broken in from visiting it?)

Jade Helm. Jade is blue. Helm is German for helmet. Blue Helmet. UN blue helmets?

Jade is actually green. Helm is actually also English for helmet. But other than that I think you've broken this wide open!
 

Teggy

Member
So I guess Illinois Democrats put forth their own right to work bill just so they could vote against it? Kind of weird - the Republicans didn't take the bait and just all voted present.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
why, NBCUniversal

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Wilsongt

Member
Donating to charities is now political.

The Clinton foundation isn't a PAC but you wouldn't know that from the news coverage.

From the way they are attacking, it's like he committed political suicide and should crawl into a dumpster to live out the rest of his days next to Brian Williams.
 

Wilsongt

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Get cancer? A car accident? Another debilitating disease? There's an app for that.

“I think we should repeal Obamacare if given the opportunity,” Bush said, “and replace it with a consumer-directed model where people are engaged in making healthier decisions for themselves and where they are given the tools to do so.”


He then pointed to his Apple Watch, the cheapest of which retails for $349, saying, “On this device, in five years, will be applications that will allow me to manage my healthcare in ways that, five years ago, were not even possible.” For example, the watch could alert him when he’s eaten more sugar than is safe for his diabetes.

“Ultimately, we have to get to a health system, away from a disease system,” he added. But while that is well and good for those who are generally healthy, what about those who aren’t?

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Sorry Jeb, there's more to health than just being diabetic and having to watch your sugar intake or being overweight.
 
Wait, are you saying the Apple Watch won't fix a broken leg, cancer, or a heart attack? Maybe you're just diseased and we need to get away from that.

Jeb Bush on health: "If you're diseased, we need to get away from you."

Where's the Fox News story on how he plans to give the poors a "Bush-watch?"
 
What's interesting is that a government-subsidized fitness band is actually a fantastic idea for improving the health of the general population. Something like Microsoft Band does a fantastic job of encouraging healthier habits.

I mean, I doubt that's what he meant to suggest, but still.
 

Teggy

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One of the major benefits of universal coverage is that people can go to the doctor when they are healthy without worrying about the cost. It's called preventative care, Jeb, look it up.

What's wrong with these people?
 
What's interesting is that a government-subsidized fitness band is actually a fantastic idea for improving the health of the general population. Something like Microsoft Band does a fantastic job of encouraging healthier habits.

I mean, I doubt that's what he meant to suggest, but still.

He meant that you should go buy your own $350 watch because obviously the only issue with healthcare in this country are preventable diseases

Can't afford a $350 watch? Oh well, just don't get sick.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
What's interesting is that a government-subsidized fitness band is actually a fantastic idea for improving the health of the general population. Something like Microsoft Band does a fantastic job of encouraging healthier habits.

I mean, I doubt that's what he meant to suggest, but still.

Yep. Empowering people to make their own decisions is great, and that means more info available to them, and more access to care so they can get that info before it's too late. And subsidizing it through large scale systems is a good way to do it.
 

Wilsongt

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Yep. Empowering people to make their own decisions is great, and that means more info available to them, and more access to care so they can get that info before it's too late. And subsidizing it through large scale systems is a good way to do it.

The government can't even properly take care of it's poorest citizens. Good luck with that socialist, marxists, nazi, gay idea.
 
Does the Apple Watch do anything that an iPhone can't do? I'm curious, I don't know. I'd imagine it'll be pretty cheap in 5 years.

Obviously smartphones have led to innovative things and could indeed be used to improve healthcare; in fact there are already great fitness and health apps that help people daily. But I would hope that quote was cut out of a longer answer about healthcare. Obamacare is far from perfect but it's hard to argue against the general idea of spreading costs, exchanges, etc.
 
Does the Apple Watch do anything that an iPhone can't do? I'm curious, I don't know. I'd imagine it'll be pretty cheap in 5 years.

Obviously smartphones have led to innovative things and could indeed be used to improve healthcare; in fact there are already great fitness and health apps that help people daily. But I would hope that quote was cut out of a longer answer about healthcare. Obamacare is far from perfect but it's hard to argue against the general idea of spreading costs, exchanges, etc.
It does heartrate but that might be about it
 

Wilsongt

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Does the Apple Watch do anything that an iPhone can't do? I'm curious, I don't know. I'd imagine it'll be pretty cheap in 5 years.

Obviously smartphones have led to innovative things and could indeed be used to improve healthcare; in fact there are already great fitness and health apps that help people daily. But I would hope that quote was cut out of a longer answer about healthcare. Obamacare is far from perfect but it's hard to argue against the general idea of spreading costs, exchanges, etc.

The idea is a decent one, but anyone who thinks just giving people an app to watch their sugar intake or weight will solve all of the healthcare problems people have is woefully ignorant of health in general.

You're completely ignoring a multitude of other diseases not linked to your lifestyle.
 
What's interesting is that a government-subsidized fitness band is actually a fantastic idea for improving the health of the general population. Something like Microsoft Band does a fantastic job of encouraging healthier habits.

I mean, I doubt that's what he meant to suggest, but still.

Absolutely, these fitness trackers are huge at encouraging health.

Insurance companies should offer a rebate to purchase one or lower rate if you use one.
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Get cancer? A car accident? Another debilitating disease? There's an app for that.



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Sorry Jeb, there's more to health than just being diabetic and having to watch your sugar intake or being overweight.

That'll sure help my cousins with MS. Hey guys, just make healthier choices! Duh!

The fact that they want to repeal this is disgusting.
 
Get cancer? A car accident? Another debilitating disease? There's an app for that.

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Sorry Jeb, there's more to health than just being diabetic and having to watch your sugar intake or being overweight.
I love how Republicans continue to come up with dumb, fuzzy ideas on how we can fix American health care - as if there aren't already tons of modernized countries who can show us EXACTLY how to do it.
 
From the way they are attacking, it's like he committed political suicide and should crawl into a dumpster to live out the rest of his days next to Brian Williams.

and they probably will get their scalp.

liberals are the only ones defending him and even some of them are hedging. Its ridiculous. The GOP is never held to account for their conflicts of interest, likely because its imbedded in their DNA and ideology which practically exalts it.
 

Jooney

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and they probably will get their scalp.

liberals are the only ones defending him and even some of them are hedging. Its ridiculous. The GOP is never held to account for their conflicts of interest, likely because its imbedded in their DNA and ideology which practically exalts it.

I thought the mantra / guiding principle was that contributions are ok as long as they are transparent.

We're the Clinton foundation or George trying to hide the donation?

Edit: just at read a bit more. Yeah this is dumb. And hypocritical given the people complainng.

George was a democratic political advisor and worked in the clinton administration, but it's a charitable donation that's the smoking gun of his Partisanship? Not enough face palms.
 
No the information was publicly available on the Clinton foundation website. This is partly its problem - it goes above and beyond the transparency requirements mandated for a non-profit so it's easy for anyone to look up the thousands of contributors and start indulging in nefarious conspiracy theories. Ironically if it was a Super PAC there wouldn't be these public disclosures. Of course when Republicans suck up to billionaires for PAC donations the media treats it as an impressive sign of their strength in the race (they've been literally swooning that Jeb will raise $100 million), but whenever the Clintons are involved with money it's instantly a sign of corruption.

George's mistake was not mentioning that he had donated to the foundation on air before he interviewed the Clinton Cash guy and this is clearly some huge ethical breach idk. It's hilarious that people are now saying he can't be trusted to report on 2016 at all when everyone knows he worked for the Clintons and there's never been any criticism of his reporting on them before now.
 
The media has been in the bag for Republicans for a long time. Pretty much since Reagan (if not sooner) who charmed everyone with rhetoric that his actions never lived up to. But his presidency is generally viewed positively which has pounded the idea in peoples' heads that the GOP is the default party of America, never mind that they've only had one presidential candidate win the popular vote since 1992. The Democrats are the party of luny radicals, the GOP is the party of Ward Beaver.
 

Mike M

Nick N
Perry announcing plans to announce 2016 plans on 06/04. Maybe he thinks he can bounce back from 2012 because wearing glasses makes him an intellectual now?
 

Ondore

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The media has been in the bag for Republicans for a long time. Pretty much since Reagan (if not sooner) who charmed everyone with rhetoric that his actions never lived up to. But his presidency is generally viewed positively which has pounded the idea in peoples' heads that the GOP is the default party of America, never mind that they've only had one presidential candidate win the popular vote since 1992. The Democrats are the party of luny radicals, the GOP is the party of Ward Beaver.

bububububu-LIBERAL BIAS!!
 
Perry announcing plans to announce 2016 plans on 06/04. Maybe he thinks he can bounce back from 2012 because wearing glasses makes him an intellectual now?

I hate to defend him, I agree he's a dumbass...but he was fresh off back surgery during the 2012 election. It was pretty obvious he was on medication and high as fuck.
 
I hate to defend him, I agree he's a dumbass...but he was fresh off back surgery during the 2012 election. It was pretty obvious he was on medication and high as fuck.

But he was consistently terrible throughout. I'm not sure if he was on medication for the entirety of the campaign. Besides, I think "bubu he was on drugs" is just an excuse for his godawful performance. I hope they keep believing that.

Edit: Jeb Bush's healthcare plan is Apple Watch? Someone please put his campaign out of it's misery/
 

Amir0x

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This Republican field is remarkable so far. Pure unadulterated comedy gold. God it's going to suck to be without Jon Stewart or Colbert Report during the election proper.
 
This Republican field is remarkable so far. Pure unadulterated comedy gold. God it's going to suck to be without Jon Stewart or Colbert Report during the election proper.
I highly doubt Stewart and Colbert are going to miss the world's greatest show of 2016. They are going to feel cheated if they are off the air because of the inevitable lols that are going to take place.
 

Chichikov

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I hate to defend him, I agree he's a dumbass...but he was fresh off back surgery during the 2012 election. It was pretty obvious he was on medication and high as fuck.
Vicodin doesn't make you retarded.
I mean, I don't think it was a huge deal, it was just a fucking brain fart, at most it illustrated that he was parroting stupid talking points he didn't actually believe in, since you're unlikely to forget those.
But we already knew that.
 

Jooney

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Vicodin doesn't make you retarded.
I mean, I don't think it was a huge deal, it was just a fucking brain fart, at most it illustrated that he was parroting stupid talking points he didn't actually believe in, since you're unlikely to forget those.
But we already knew that.

It was more than just that debate moment though.

Did you ever see that clip of perry in New Hampshire being given a gift of maple syrup? Dude was high as fuck.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLi83CSaNBA
 

NeoXChaos

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The Kentucky Gubernatorial Primary is next week. Matt Bevin who ran against McConnell last year could become the nominee.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/mitch-mcconnell-rand-paul-lie-low-in-kentucky-primary-118004.html?hp=t2_r

The winner will take on the all-but-certain Democratic nominee, Attorney General Jack Conway. Democrats have held Kentucky’s governorship for 36 of the last 40 years, a startling reality in a state that votes reliably Republican in federal elections.

What??
 

gcubed

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Edit: Jeb Bush's healthcare plan is Apple Watch? Someone please put his campaign out of it's misery/

It's ugly, over priced and has nothing to offer different than what's already available. Sounds like a perfect GOP plan.

I hear a lot about the Clinton foundation and I'm hard pressed to figure out why? Is there a condensed version as to why we should care so much about who donated to a nonprofit?
 

Tamanon

Banned
That's all just your typical throw everything at the wall, and eventually something will stick.

Now the speaking fees is something slightly more substantial, but that's part of politics. Still though, getting paid $250K to speak at a company you helped a year or two before while in office is kinda slimy.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
It's ugly, over priced and has nothing to offer different than what's already available. Sounds like a perfect GOP plan.

I hear a lot about the Clinton foundation and I'm hard pressed to figure out why? Is there a condensed version as to why we should care so much about who donated to a nonprofit?

The only reason it matters is he reported on the story and didn't disclose he had donated to them, which is a bit of a no-no.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Holy shit. First the Iraq fuckup and now the shit about the iWatch? The man's a goober. If Jeb keeps talking, he really will eventually leave the same impression that his dingus brother did.

There's no such thing as a "smart" Bush sibling.

This saga reminds me of that infamous (misattributed) Ann Richards quote about Poppy Bush: born on third base and thinks he's hit a triple.

Wasn't that quote supposed to be referencing Dubya?
 

NeoXChaos

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Jeb does not seem happy and up to the job of running for President. He honestly seems to not have the "fire in the belly". He seems to be only doing it out of family obligation/restore the bush legacy from its tarnished ashes. I see and sense no passion from him.

These Iraq answers are so telling of the foreshadow to come. In his heart he is conflicted. Run a race based on his convictions but risk alienating those he needs to win the nomination while carrying the burden of his brother's Presidency. Something that isnt going away and will last through election day. He hasn't even begun to talk about his record as Governor of Florida. He is certainly not going to have the hyped up advantages people think he does. If its Bush v Clinton, the choice is a no brainer despite Hillary's flaws which will be canceled out by his flaws.
 
I just recently found out that the first President Bush could have struck a deal with Boris Yeltsin to buy part or perhaps all of Siberia in 1992. What a missed opportunity to take advantage of a fire sale. Russia could have been so weakened, and the U.S. so strengthened.
It is probably for the best that those countries do not share borders.
I mean, fuck. A nationalistic government that would still have nukes sharing borders with Great Satan? And the terrain just so happens to be very resource rich and was recently sold for peanuts?

World's better without that kind of noise.
 
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