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Why do people write off Dodd Frank/CFPB when discussing Obama's financial regulation reform? From what I know about the new bureau it sounds like he empowered them enough to prevent a repeat of 2008, and Warren set up the organization so I feel it has credibility. Am I missing something, or is it just that people feel frustrated with not seeing CEOs/stock brokers hung and quartered in the public square?
 

Jooney

Member
What competition?

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The state has granted local monopolies in cable almost everywhere.

Another reason to abolish the state completely and get sensible abortion on demand cable service.

goddam it.


Now, of course, Sanders will not win the Democratic Party nomination. I’m skeptical he’s even as popular as polls claim. Still, he’s moved to the ideological center of the Democratic Party without changing at all. So will his ideas.

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benjipwns

Banned
Why do people write off Dodd Frank/CFPB when discussing Obama's financial regulation reform? From what I know about the new bureau it sounds like he empowered them enough to prevent a repeat of 2008, and Warren set up the organization so I feel it has credibility. Am I missing something, or is it just that people feel frustrated with not seeing CEOs/stock brokers hung and quartered in the public square?
For one, the CFPB is a piece of shit DHS rehash without the oversight and with its own funding source:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2012/01/consumer-financial-protection-bureau
In theory, some say, the breadth of the bureau is so vast that one of its departments could prosecute a financial firm for providing a common product to a particular segment of the population, while another could prosecute the same firm if it chose not to serve the same group. Merely being examined for such issues—many exploratory probes are anticipated—will generate vast legal fees.

The bureau also has much discretion to pursue its goals. Unlike many (but not all) government departments, it is not Congress that will determine its budget. Instead, the body will be entitled to 12% of what the Federal Reserve Banks spend on their operations, with funds coming from the Fed's profits (which otherwise would go to the government). Unlike most (but not all) government agencies, the leadership position will be vested in a single person, rather than a board (often drawn, by law, from more than one political party).

What is more, special provisions in the law mean overturning an action by the bureau, or booting its director, will be nearly impossible. These protections are far stronger than for most other government agencies. They most closely resembling those granted to the Fed, although it has a far more limited scope of action. Finally, the bureau will be able to dispense funds.

http://www.pymnts.com/in-depth/2015/will-the-cfpb-get-its-own-watchdog/
While the organization is tasked with knowing what’s best for the consumer, no one is tasked with knowing what is best for the CFPB. Congress does not appropriate its annual budget, it receives its funding directly from the Federal Reserve, with which it also shares an Inspector General.

“The Bureau is headed by a single director. Over a five-year term, the director will have unfettered authority over thousands of American businesses, not just banks,” Republian Senator Richard Shelby wrote in an op-ed of The Wall Street Journal on the Eve of the CFPB’s creation. “While the bureau receives hundreds of millions of dollars of public money annually, the elected representatives of the American people have no say in how it spends this money. Moreover, other regulators have no meaningful ability to prevent Bureau mandates that may threaten the financial health of banks.”

And calls for increased accountability for the CFPB have persisted since 2011. The agency has been questioned at various times about the travel habits of its employees, its building renovations and discretionary spending budgets by Congressmen dissatisfied with the level of autonomy the group has been given.

“The director of the CFPB can effectively direct the managers of the Penalty Fund, a repository for funds collected by the CFPB in judicial or administrative proceedings, to follow his particular wishes with regard to compensating victims throughout the United States,” the House Committee On Financial Services noted in a 2013 release. “It appears the CFPB need not win its own cases – instead the CFPB can identify cases brought by other Federal, State and even private plaintiffs and selectively intervene. Such vast authority demands accountability.”

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/rev...-cash-in-at-taxpayers-expense/article/2552211
On the arcadian banks of the C&O Canal in finest Georgetown sits the office of Fenway Summer, a fortunate son of the CFPB.

Raj Date was at CFPB at its founding and served as its deputy director. In 2013, Date founded Fenway Summer, which, according to its website, “uses extensive regulatory, industry, and capital markets expertise to provide unique counsel” to financial firms.

Date brought with him CFPB’s chief of staff, Garry Reader; assistant director of mortgage markets Chris Haspel; senior counsel in the office of regulations Mitch Hockberg; plus CFPB staffers Marla Blow, Alison Miller and Sean O’Mealia. The firm’s website lists 14 employees, meaning half of the team comes from the CFPB.
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Fenway Summer this April acquired a mortgage firm, Ethos Lending, which will fill a market niche — so-called non-qualified mortgages — which many banks have exited, thanks to a combination of Dodd-Frank regulations.

Plenty of other CFPB officials have cashed out. Ronald Rubin was an enforcement attorney in the Fair Lending division. Now he’s at the law firm Hunton & Williams, where he “focuses on CFPB and SEC enforcement investigations and litigation, regulatory examinations, and white collar criminal defense,” according to the firm’s website.

Leonard Chanin was assistant director of CFPB’s Office of Regulations, now he “counsels financial institutions on consumer financial services law issues,” at the law firm Morrison Foerster, according to the firm's website.

Other CFPB alumni now serving the financial industry include Catherine West at Promontory Financial, John Tonetti at JPMorgan Chase, Bart Shapiro at Offit Kurman, Neil Peretz at BillFloat, and Benjamin Olson at BuckleySandler.

Dodd-Frank was also a big financial institution protection bill that basically shuffled paper around to help entrench them:
https://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/special_reports/safety_net/
The Richmond Fed estimates that 60 percent of the liabilities of the financial system are subject to explicit or implicit protection from loss by the federal government.
http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/03/t...-take-us-off-the-hook-for-big-banks-mistakes/
The Richmond Fed’s 2015 “Bailout Barometer” report finds that, as of the end of 2013, taxpayers cover $26 trillion of Wall Street’s $43 trillion in liabilities. That’s 60 percent—the same as in 2009, when $25 trillion out of $42 trillion in liabilities was backed by the public purse.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/content/...on/1/file/Final_State_and_Fate_Lux_Greene.pdf
community banks emerged from the financial crisis with a market share 6 percent lower, but since the second quarter of 2010 – around the time of the passage of the Dodd-Frank Act – their share of U.S. commercial banking assets has declined at a rate almost double that between the second quarters of 2006 and 2010. Particularly troubling is community banks’ declining market share in several key lending markets, their decline in small business lending volume, and the disproportionate losses being realized by particularly small community banks
Corporations have sizeable cash flows and access to credit markets, which gives them a cushion against adversity and added costs; small businesses often operate much closer to the margin and are acutely sensitive to policies that threaten to drive up costs.
Dodd-Frank created a too-small-to-succeed problem in addition to the too-big-to-fail problem.

JP Morgan's CEO loved it:
He even pointed out that while margins may come down, market share may increase due to a “bigger moat” - We were surprised that regulatory risk was not mentioned as one of the key risks. In Dimon’s eyes, higher capital rules, Volcker, and OTC derivative reforms longer-term make it more expensive and tend to make it tougher for smaller players to enter the market, effectively widening JPM’s “moat.” While there will be some drags on profitability – as prices and margins narrow, efficient scale players like JPM should eventually be able to gain market share.

http://www.newsweek.com/financial-reform-makes-biggest-banks-stronger-73591
Whereas Glass-Steagall substantially altered the structure of the financial system and required the creation of brand-new kinds of firms, Dodd-Frank effectively anoints the existing banking elite. The bill makes it likely that they will be the future giants of banking as well. Legislators touted changes that would restrict proprietary trading by banks and force them to spin off their swaps desks into separately capitalized operations. But banks get to keep the biggest part of their derivatives business, which is dominated by interest-rate and foreign-exchange swaps. Some 80 to 90 percent of that business will remain within the banks, and J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Bank of America, and Morgan Stanley control more than 95 percent, or about $200 trillion worth of that market. These same banks may end up controlling or at least dominating the clearinghouses they are being pressed to trade on as well, since language proposed by Rep. Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., to limit their ownership stakes to 20 percent, was dropped in the final version of the bill

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Indeed, the bill may make these banks even more critical to the economy and therefore even more likely to be rescued in some future crisis, this former official says. Obama declared, “No longer will we have companies that are, quote unquote, too big to fail.” But by imposing new capital charges that will create barriers to entry for new firms, especially in swaps and other derivatives, while at the same time permitting giant bank holding companies to continue controlling most of what they were before, “we’ve consolidated the position of the five banks that were most central to the crisis,” the former Treasury official says—in other words: J.P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, along with, currently, Wells Fargo. “In my mind,” he says, “they’ve created six new GSEs,” or government-sponsored entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

A former senior-career Federal Reserve official agrees. “It makes it way tougher now to kiss somebody off when they get in trouble,” says this official, who also would speak only if his name were not used. The one hope, he adds, is if tough-enough capital and leverage restrictions are imposed to prevent the giant banks from getting themselves into too much trouble. But many of those standards are yet to be set by future generations of regulators, who may prove as vulnerable to Wall Street lobbying as their predecessors did.
 

benjipwns

Banned
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wall-streets-big-win-20100804
All of this is great, but taken together, these reforms fail to address even a tenth of the real problem. Worse: They fail to even define what the real problem is. Over a long year of feverish lobbying and brutally intense backroom negotiations, a group of D.C. insiders fought over a single question: Just how much of the truth about the financial crisis should we share with the public? Do we admit that control over the economy in the past dec­ade was ceded to a small group of rapacious criminals who to this day are engaged in a mind-­numbing campaign of theft on a global scale? Or do we pretend that, minus a few bumps in the road that have mostly been smoothed out, the clean-hands capitalism of Adam Smith still rules the day in America? In other words, do people need to know the real version, in all its majestic whorebotchery, or can we get away with some bullshit cover story?

In passing Dodd-Frank, they went with the cover story.

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During an other-wise deathly boring year spent covering this debate, I learned to derive some entertainment from watching politicians scramble to give floor speeches about financial reform without disclosing the fact that they didn't have the first fucking clue what a credit-default swap is, or how a derivative works. This was certainly true of Democrats, but the Republicans were way, way better at it. Their strategy was brilliant in its simplicity: Don't even bother trying to figure out the math-y stuff, and instead just blame the entire crisis on government efforts to make homeowners of lazy black people. "Private enterprise mixed with social engineering" was how Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama put it, with a straight face, not long before the bill passed.

The argument favored by Wall Street lobbyists and Obama's team of triangulating pro-business Democrats was more subtle. In this strangely metaphysical version of recent history, the economy was ­ruined by bad luck and a few bad actors, not by any particular law or policy. It was the "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument expanded to cover global financial fraud. "There is an assumption that math is evil," insisted Keith Hennessey, a member of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, at a hearing in June. "Credit-default swaps are things, and things can't be culprits."

Both of these takes were engineered to avoid an uncomfortable political truth: The huge profits that Wall Street earned in the past decade were driven in large part by a single, far-reaching scheme, one in which bankers, home lenders and other players exploited loopholes in the system to magically transform subprime home borrowers into AAA investments, sell them off to unsuspecting pension funds and foreign trade unions and other suckers, then multiply their score by leveraging their phony-baloney deals over and over. It was pure ­financial alchemy – turning ­manure into gold, then spinning it Rumpelstiltskin-style into vast profits using complex, mostly unregulated new instruments that almost no one outside of a few experts in the field really understood. With the government borrowing mountains of Chinese and Saudi cash to fight two crazy wars, and the domestic manufacturing base mostly vanished overseas, this massive fraud for all intents and purposes was the American economy in the 2000s; we were a nation subsisting on an elaborate check-­bouncing scheme.

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It started with Senate rookie Scott Brown, who demanded major changes to Merkley-Levin on behalf of big Massachusetts banks in exchange for his vote. But Senate sources I talked to insist that Chris Dodd, the powerful chair of the Senate Banking Committee, was just using Brown as a cover to gut the Volcker rule. "It became far more than accommodating the Massachusetts banks," says one high-­ranking Senate aide. "It became a ruse for Treasury trying to get as far as they could, with Dodd's help."

From the start, Dodd had been opposed to the ban on proprietary trading. "Hey, I would gladly dump the Volcker rule," he reportedly told industry lobbyists. "But I can't, because of the pressure I'm getting from the left." Now, with Brown pressing for concessions, Dodd agreed to let Merkley-Levin be spattered with a wave of loopholes. If you can imagine a 4,000-pound lizard pretending to cower before a Cub Scout clutching a lollipop, then you've grasped the basic dynamic of a grizzled legislative titan like Dodd caving into Brown, the cheery GOP newbie with the Pez-­dispenser face.

First, in what amounted to an open handout to the financial interests represented by Brown, insurers, mutual funds and trusts were exempted from the Merkley-Levin ban. Then, with the floodgates officially open, every financial company in America was granted a massive loophole – one that allowed them to skirt the ban on risky gambling by investing a designated percentage of their holdings in hedge funds and private-equity companies.

The common justification for this loophole, known as the de minimis exemption, was that banks need it to retain their "traditional businesses" and remain competitive against hedge funds. In other words, Congress must allow banks to act like hedge funds because otherwise they'd be unable to compete with hedge funds in the hedge-fund business. With the introduction of the de minimis exemption, Merkley-Levin went from being an absolute ban on federally insured banks engaging in high-risk speculation to a feeble, half-assed restriction that will be difficult, if not impossible, to enforce.

The driving force behind the exemption was not Scott Brown, but the Obama administration itself. By all accounts, Geithner lobbied hard on the issue. "Treasury's official position went from opposed to supportive," one aide told reporters. "They may have even overshot Brown's desires by a bit." Throughout the negotiations over the bill, in fact, Geithner acted almost like a liaison to the financial industry, pushing for Wall Street-friendly changes on everything from bailouts (his initial proposal ­allowed the White House to unilaterally fork over taxpayer money to banks in unlimited amounts) to high-risk investments (he fought to let megabanks hold on to their derivatives desks).

Geithner went all out for the de minimis exemption; one Senate aide was told flatly by "those who are in charge of counting noses" that the proposal was not subject to negotiation. This was the horse-head-in-the-bed moment of the Dodd-Frank bill – the offer that couldn't be refused. "We were told that there needed to be de minimis or there would be no bill," the aide says.

But that was before the senator from Wall Street showed up. In the final hours of negotiations, a congressional delegation from New York, led by Sen. Chuck Schumer, decided to take one last run at gutting the Volcker rule. It was as though someone had sent the scrubs off the court and called in the varsity. Schumer, a platitudinous champion of liberal social ­issues, moonlights as a pillbox-hat bellhop to Wall Street on economic matters. The self-­aggrandizing New Yorker has not only fought to keep taxes low on hedge-fund billionaires, he got up onstage with Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein at a Democratic fundraiser in 2006 and performed "nostalgic furniture-store jingles."

This bears repeating: The person in whose hands America had placed its hopes for finance reform was someone who once sang furniture jingles onstage with Lloyd Blankfein.

Now, as the bill headed into final negotiations, the Schumer coalition suddenly decided that the de minimis exemption for banks simply wasn't big enough. In a neat trick, Schumer's crew agreed to keep the exemption at three percent – but they raised the limit dramatically by making it three percent of something else. Instead of being pegged to a bank's "tangible equity," the exemption would now be calculated based on a financial firm's "Tier 1" capital – a far bigger pool of money that includes a bank's common shares and deferred-tax assets instead of just preferred shares. In real terms, banks could now put up to 40 percent more into high-risk investments. "It was almost double what Geithner was talking about the night before," says Merkley. "For Bank of America alone, it comes to $6 billion."

Schumer himself entered the change in the Senate version of the bill – and then asked the House to sign off on it 15 minutes later. Rep. Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania, who had worked hard on the Volcker rule, tried to get a vote to block the change. But Barney Frank laid into him. "You had plenty of time with this," Frank barked. "You knew what was coming – siddown."

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The effort began with an extraordinary scene on the floor of the Senate – one that testifies to the nearly unanimous respect that senators hold for the human loophole machine known as Chris Dodd. In late May, the week the Senate voted on its version of the bill, Dodd came up with a hastily composed, five-page substitute to the Lincoln rule that would create a "financial stability" council with the power to unilaterally kill the rule. Faced with opposition from members of his own party, Dodd agreed to withdraw his substitute two days before the Senate vote – but given his track record of legislative maneuvering on behalf of big banks, his fellow Democrats weren't about to take him at his word. A group of senators from Dodd's own party – including Maria Cantwell of Washington – arranged to stay on the Senate floor in shifts, ensuring that there would be someone there to object in case Dodd tried to push his substitute through ­during one of those quiet, empty-hall, C-SPAN moments when no one was looking.

The fact that a group of Democrats had to come up with a scheme to prevent one of their own leaders from dropping a ­roofie in their legislative drinks pretty much sums up the state of affairs in Congress. "Yeah, that's the way it went down," says a Senate aide familiar with the Dodd Watch maneuver.


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But the ink was barely dry on the Senate bill before a full-blown mobilization against the Lincoln rule was under way. Just days after the Senate vote, Barney Frank came out and voiced opposition to the rule, saying it "goes too far." He trotted out Wall Street's lame, catchall justification for unfettered speculation: Banks need derivatives to balance their portfolios and "hedge their own risk." Not long after, a group of 43 conservative House Democrats calling themselves the "New ­Democrat Coalition" refused to support the reform bill unless the toughest part of the Lincoln rule – section 716 – was gutted. "They were threatening to vote against the legislation unless accommodations were made for the banks, and the biggest accommodation was watering down 716," says Michael Greenberger, a Clinton-era ­financial regulator involved in the talks.


It seemed like every Democrat who mattered was against 716: Dodd, Frank, the New Democrats, the Treasury department, the influential FDIC chief Sheila Bair, even Paul Volcker. Schumer and other New Yorkers lobbied mightily against it, arguing that it would be a drain on the income of Wall Street banks; New York mayor ­Michael Bloomberg traveled to Washington specifically to lobby against the Lincoln rule. But the crowd had turned against Wall Street, and the populist scrubs seemed like they were about to win big.

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Rumors circulated in Washington that Democratic leaders were cynically holding off on gutting Lincoln's proposal until she got past Halter in the primary.

If that was the plan, it worked. In early June, only a week after she defeated Halter in the runoff, Lincoln set about gutting her own rule. First she offered a broad exemption for community banks. Then a group of conservative House Democrats led by Rep. Collin Peterson of ­Minnesota ­proposed an even bigger compromise – one that would exempt virtually every type of derivative from federal oversight. "I was told that Peterson offered this compromise and Lincoln quickly accepted it," says Greenberger.

That was the beginning of the end. The new deal allowed banks to keep their derivatives desks by moving them into subsidiary units and exempted whole classes of derivatives from regulation: interest-rate swaps (the culprits in disasters like Greece and Orange County), foreign-exchange swaps (which helped trigger a global crash after Long Term Capital Management imploded in 1998), cleared credit-default swaps (a big contributor to the AIG collapse) and currency swaps (also involved in the Greece mess). "About 90 percent of the derivatives market was exempted," says Greenberger.

In the end, this would be the ­entire list of derivatives that are subject to the new law: credit-­default swaps that have not been cleared by regulators and swaps involving commodities other than silver and gold.

Hilariously, even the few new regulations on derivatives that remained in the bill don't seem to worry Wall Street. Just a few weeks after Lincoln agreed to gut the measure, famed JP Morgan executive Blythe Masters, often credited as one of the inventors of the credit-default swap – one insider calls her "the Darth Vader of the swaps market" – actually sounded psyched about the bill. The new law, she declared publicly, won't even hurt energy commodities, one of the few classes of derivatives that Lincoln didn't exempt.

"It's not a big change for commodities," Masters said. "It's fine-tuning more than a material impact." The so-called reforms, she concluded, "are actually going to be very beneficial for the industry."

http://mccluresmagazine.com/money/dodd-frank-law-bait-switch
“As a result of the Dodd-Frank Act enacted by US Congress, a new regulation prohibiting US residents from trading over the counter precious metals, including gold and silver, will go into effect on Friday, July 15, 2011. As a result, all open metals positions must be closed by July 15, 2011 at 5pm ET.”

I could hardly believe my eyes.

Essentially it said that people who offer metal for sale must actually possess the metal, and that people who offer to buy metal must intend to receive it. It makes “speculation” on prices illegal.

In principle, I agree. An honest and free market should deal in ‘real’ things.

But here is where it gets tricky.

It is well known that a particular Wall Street bank has an over-leveraged short position in silver. If forced to liquidate their position as this legislation requires, they would probably go bankrupt.

So how could the same congress that passed out trillions to banks that were too big to fail, now pass legislation that would force one to fail?

There had to be more to it, so I was forced to read the friggin bill to find out what. Way down in section 742(a) was the answer:

“Section 742(a) of the Act prohibits any person from entering into, or offering to enter into, a transaction in any commodity with a person that is not an eligible contract participant or an eligible commercial entity, on a leveraged or margined basis.”

Aha! “eligible contract participants” are exempt from this regulation.

So who exactly is an eligible contract participant?

According to the bill, they are:

A natural person whose individual net worth, is at least $1,000,000, excluding the value of such investor’s primary residence;
A natural person who had individual income in excess of $200,000; or
A director, executive officer, or general partner of the issuer of the securities being offered or sold, or a director, executive officer, or general partner of a general partner of that issuer.”

In other words, if you are a millionaire, or affiliated with a bank that issues speculative contracts, then it is business as usual. The Dodd-Frank bill does not apply to you
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/31/m...g-the-power-of-dodd-frank-against-itself.html
But what I’ve noticed since the law passed is not an effort to destroy it but one to — in a phrase borrowed from my junior-­high karate teacher — use its power against itself. We can see evidence in the hundreds of meetings that banking regulators have had with industry groups, haggling over every tiny detail of the law. We can see it too in the numerous lawsuits filed by banks, financial-services companies and their advocates, which seem designed to lull anybody who mistakenly happened upon them to sleep. They call for subtle changes in the rule-­making process, demand redefinition of financial instruments and in myriad other ways seek to change the letter of the law so as to alter its spirit.

At the heart of the battle between Dodd-­Frank’s supporters and opponents is a deep uncertainty over what exactly banks are up to. We know we need banks. We also know that, in aggregate, banks took absurd risks before the financial crisis, which jeopardized our very way of life. But no single human being, and probably not even the combined effort of thousands of them, seems able to clarify where you can draw a legal line between good banking and bad.

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Between 2009 and 2011, a group of economists at New York University’s Stern School of Business published an influential series of reports and books that sought to explain what, exactly, happened during the financial crisis. The depth of the inquiry was notable because the school is generally thought of as a Wall Street-friendly training ground for future bankers. One of the most striking findings was that between 1980 and 2000, the large banks in America had significantly moved away from productivity ­enhancement and toward rent-­seeking.

For the reports’ principal authors, Matthew Richardson and Viral Acharya, the evidence of this shift came from careful study of the various ways that banks have legally evaded regulation of their capital requirements. A fundamental tenet of bank regulation is that banks shouldn’t borrow too much, because being overleveraged makes them vulnerable to collapse. But banks can most easily make huge profits if they borrow huge amounts, and they tend to pursue unsafe levels of borrowing. Then, the authors observed, they use their power as essential tools in an economy to negotiate bailouts from the government, forcing taxpayers to guarantee their losses. Richardson and Acharya showed that it was precisely because our banking regulations were so extensive and complex that banks were able to seek rents. They called this “regulatory arbitrage,” a term that means banks have harnessed regulation and turned it into a powerful business tool.
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But Richardson and Acharya’s research shows that we’re in a scarier place than either side realizes. By freeing banks’ hands, reducing regulation might incentivize them to engage in more rent-­seeking. But by increasing the complexity of the rules, overregulation can enable rent-­seeking just as easily.

Even today, five years after its passage, Dodd-­Frank is still an amorphous beast. But one thing is clear: Dodd-­Frank does little to prevent or counteract the rent-­seeking and regulatory arbitrage that have become the hallmarks of the 21st-­century bank. To fight rent-­seeking, we would need banking laws made up of straightforward rules that educated laypeople could understand.

http://online.barrons.com/articles/SB50001424052748704356104578330243172836174
Former Sen. Chris Dodd and former Rep. Barney Frank assured the country that their law ended the policy of too-big-to-fail. Instead, under Dodd-Frank's Orwellian regime, all banks are equal, but some are more equal than others. Dodd-Frank labels 38 bank holding companies with more than $50 billion in assets as "systemically important." Management and markets see them as government-sponsored enterprises that are too big to fail.

The Financial Stability Oversight Council can designate nonbanks as systemically important also, and it can make financial institutions that provide clearing, settlement, or payment activities eligible for Fed bailouts. This makes state support of the largest U.S. financial institutions very clear, if not explicit. The FSOC has designated eight clearinghouses as systemically important, each with access to Fed credit. Since regulators are hard-wired to extend their turf, it's a safe bet that the council will tag large insurance carriers, hedge funds, mutual funds, and finance companies as systemically important.

Meanwhile, the banks that are too big to fail are getting bigger. From 1995 to 2009, assets of the six largest banks increased from 18% of GDP to 68%. During the financial crisis, the top 10 banks increased their share of industry assets from 68% to 77%. At regulators' urging, Bank of America scooped up Countrywide and Merrill Lynch, Chase acquired Bear Stearns and Washington Mutual, and Wells Fargo absorbed Wachovia. None of the acquiring banks are better off for the experience, but consolidation means that regulators can direct a handful of Goliaths, instead of thousands of vigorously competing smaller institutions.

Cue defense of the historic regulation that ended financial bullshittery forever.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Even the next losing Democratic nominee (to President Walker) doesn't care much for it:
“Dodd-Frank did not end much of the casino-style gambling” that occurs on Wall Street, Sanders said at the news conference.

“I fear very much” that the financial system is weaker than people realize, Sanders said. Big banks are 80 percent larger than they were before the financial crisis, he said.
 

benjipwns

Banned
Did you perchance have allathat saved on a doc?
Heck no.

Google searched some of the particulars remembered about CFPB, about small banks getting hit, that bailout barometer thing, then typed in "dodd frank taibbi" because I figured that'd turn up a good screed, which reminded me of some of the other weird carve outs where the bill applies to everybody but the people it should ostensibly apply to.

Then for the last one I just typed in "dodd frank sanders" and saw he had commented on it recently. Didn't actually expect anything there.
 
If not for the financial pain it would be pretty funny when we crash again and have to bail out the banks as Vox/Slate/TPM/Media Matters etc explain Why Dodd-Frank Isn't To Blame For This.
 

NeoXChaos

Member
2012

Voting Age Population: 235,248,000

Turnout: 129,085,403
Percentage: 54.87%

Did not vote: 106,162,597
Percentage: 45.13%

1. Why didn't they vote?
2. What can we do to make them vote barring mandatory voting?
3. Is it just the norm and nothing will change?
4. Will 2016 see this number go higher or lower? This number was down from 2008. Midterm election saw 2014 down from 2010.
 

SL128

Member
2012

Voting Age Population: 235,248,000

Turnout: 129,085,403
Percentage: 54.87%

Did not vote: 106,162,597
Percentage: 45.13%

1. Why didn't they vote?
2. What can we do to make them vote barring mandatory voting?
3. Is it just the norm and nothing will change?
4. Will 2016 see this number go higher or lower? This number was down from 2008. Midterm election saw 2014 down from 2010.
Guaranteeing a day off work for election day (Bernie sponsored a bill for that apparently), increasing the number of places to vote, and raising awareness of absentee voting would probably help.
 

benjipwns

Banned
If not for the financial pain it would be pretty funny when we crash again and have to bail out the banks as Vox/Slate/TPM/Media Matters etc explain Why Dodd-Frank Isn't To Blame For This.
Look the clear answer will be a comprehensive financial regulation reform bill that brings together both public and private experts to craft a far reaching solution that will address the factors at play and loopholes in the system with a careful hand that maintains the growth of the stock market. Here's seven reasons why this time it'll be different:

/explanatory journalism
 

Although we rarely frame politics in these terms, as a philosophical matter, we’ve often been engaged in a debate that pits the theories of eighteenth-century liberalism—the kind that brought us the constitution and limited government—against ideas first embraced in nineteenth-century Marxism.

I hate peoples black and white understanding of philosophy, especially in a historical perspective.

This sentence is just all kinds of wrong. And I really doubt people who write shit like this have read or studied either author besides cherry picking quotes (I used to do this a lot but reading their work in context really changes a lot.)

I really find it hard to believe that any one can read Locke and really find that he would still position himself as tea partier today even if you can find quotes of him sounding like one. His empiricism would reject whole heartedly the entire philosophy on which their economic faith rests. He also contributed a lot of the ideas about private property but whole heartedly rejected its unlimited accumulation.

Guaranteeing a day off work for election day (Bernie sponsored a bill for that apparently), increasing the number of places to vote, and raising awareness of absentee voting would probably help.

The first would do nothing, I doubt much would change with the second (except in local and on the margins) but the 3rd is really good.
 
2012

Voting Age Population: 235,248,000

Turnout: 129,085,403
Percentage: 54.87%

Did not vote: 106,162,597
Percentage: 45.13%

1. Why didn't they vote?
2. What can we do to make them vote barring mandatory voting?
3. Is it just the norm and nothing will change?
4. Will 2016 see this number go higher or lower? This number was down from 2008. Midterm election saw 2014 down from 2010.

On your last point, I would like to think the turnout could be slightly higher, or about the same, as 2012. But probably not on the same level as 2008. I would like to think, in a perfect world, people from the left will come out in droves to vote against a third Bush coming into office, and the right will do the same to stop a second Clinton getting in office. If Rubio or Castro are VPs to their respective side, then we could also see a surge in Hispanic voters. Election 2016 will be pretty interesting to watch, that's for sure.
 
2012

Voting Age Population: 235,248,000

Turnout: 129,085,403
Percentage: 54.87%

Did not vote: 106,162,597
Percentage: 45.13%

1. Why didn't they vote?
2. What can we do to make them vote barring mandatory voting?
3. Is it just the norm and nothing will change?
4. Will 2016 see this number go higher or lower? This number was down from 2008. Midterm election saw 2014 down from 2010.
make voting day a national holiday

or allow a mandatory 4 hour leave to allow employees to vote

fuck states rights, make election day Federal and create an independent body that overseas the ballot counting and process. Unify ballots nation wide to be one form. Why should one state have electronic, the other have butterfly and the other pencil-paper?
 
Election Day should be the first priority for a federal holiday, even above the Fourth of July. And in any event, you can kill two birds with one stone by taking Columbus Day's holiday and giving it to Election Day.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Welp, that's one thing I miss about Benji being gone. Not having to scroll down half the page until I find a post by someone else.

=P
 

Grexeno

Member
Election Day should be the first priority for a federal holiday, even above the Fourth of July. And in any event, you can kill two birds with one stone by taking Columbus Day's holiday and giving it to Election Day.
I don't feel that making Election Day a national holiday would really help turnout. I feel like even more people would stay home.
 
The most common reason non-voters give for failing to vote is that they were too busy or couldn't get off work. Given the absolutely abysmal voter participation rates in the US, I cannot fathom how it could possibly go down even further as a result of making it a national holiday. It should also be moved to Saturday or Sunday as well, Tuesday makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't think we can make voting compulsory until we can ensure that people can vote easily and efficiently though, no one should have to wait 4 hours to vote.
 

Grexeno

Member
The most common reason non-voters give for failing to vote is that they were too busy or couldn't get off work. Given the absolutely abysmal voter participation rates in the US, I cannot fathom how it could possibly go down even further as a result of making it a national holiday. It should also be moved to Saturday or Sunday as well, Tuesday makes no sense whatsoever.

I don't think we can make voting compulsory until we can ensure that people can vote easily and efficiently though, no one should have to wait 4 hours to vote.
Because of the difficulty of voting, giving people the day off doesn't mean they are actually going to use it to vote.
 
Because of the difficulty of voting, giving people the day off doesn't mean they are actually going to use it to vote.

Those are two different problems though. Polls being congested is not the same thing as not being able to go to the polls. That's not a reason to oppose a national holiday. I honestly cannot understand why people are so hostile to the idea. Do they think that countries with voting holidays have made a mistake and that they should roll it back? If not, why would you oppose a common-sense reform that should have been the default from the get-go?
 

Grexeno

Member
Those are two different problems though. Polls being congested is not the same thing as not being able to go to the polls. That's not a reason to oppose a national holiday.
I'm not opposing a national holiday, I'm saying it probably wouldn't increase turnout that much if at all. While a lot of people say they can't/don't vote because of work, this does not mean they actually would vote if that obstacle were removed.
 
I'm not opposing a national holiday, I'm saying it probably wouldn't increase turnout that much if at all. While a lot of people say they can't/don't vote because of work, this does not mean they actually would vote if that obstacle were removed.

So then why have many other countries implemented national holidays and moved elections to weekends if, as you claim, people's behavior would still not change? Your reasoning implicitly assumes that those were pointless and wasteful decisions, that they could be rolled back without effecting participation. Australia's fine is only $20 yet it results in near complete participation, there are not hordes of lazy people opting to pay a fine. People want to vote, we just have to give them the means and ability to do so.
 

Grexeno

Member
So then why have many other countries implemented national holidays and moved elections to weekends if, as you claim, people's behavior would still not change? Your reasoning implicitly assumes that those were pointless and wasteful decisions, that they could be rolled back without effecting participation.
Well moving the election to a weekend is functionally the same as it being a weekday holiday. And I question if those people will spend a day off on the long and frustrating process of voting in person.
 
Well moving the election to a weekend is functionally the same as it being a weekday holiday. And I question if those people will spend a day off on the long and frustrating process of voting in person.

I've said it before, but the process of voting not working well is a completely separate and independent issue. It should not take 4 hours to vote regardless of when election day is or whether it's a holiday. Voting should be quick and easy. But even if voting were simple and easy, people would still have work related problems which is where the holiday comes in.
 

Grexeno

Member
I've said it before, but the process of voting not working well is a completely separate and independent issue. It should not take 4 hours to vote regardless of when election day is or whether it's a holiday. Voting should be quick and easy. But even if voting were simple and easy, people would still have work related problems which is where the holiday comes in.
If voting really is simple and easy, there's no way work would cause anyone to not be able to vote.
 
I'd like to see early voting extended, myself. Give us three weeks.

Yes, and/or vote-by-mail.

That's a better plan because, even if you make Election Day a holiday, some people are going to have to work (emergency services, etc.) or might be sick or unable to get to the polls.

No single day can cover everyone.
 
If voting really is simple and easy, there's no way work would cause anyone to not be able to vote.

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Half of the people complaining that they don't have time said it's because of work/school, not because they were too busy. But let's say that's too ambiguous.

Current Population Survey: Voter Supplement File, November 2000

Too busy, conflicting work/school schedule 22.0%
Illness or disability (own or family's) 15.6%
Not interested, vote wouldn't make a difference 12.9%
Out of town or away from home 10.8%
Other 10.7%
Didn't like candidates or campaign issues 8.1%
Registration problems 7.2%
Forgot to vote (or send in absentee ballot) 4.2%
Inconvenient polling place, hours, or long lines 2.8%
Transportation problems 2.5%
Bad weather 0.7%

As an independent issue, having the primary "Election Day" be a weekend/holiday is good policy all around. Now we can, and should, address other issues regarding voting. It should be convenient, quick, and easy. It should be available over a longer period of time. It should arguably be compulsory. We should try to foster voting as part of our shared cultural responsibility. All of that is well and good. But those being good policy too doesn't mean a Federal holiday for the 'big day / deadline' is a bad policy.
 
So then why have many other countries implemented national holidays and moved elections to weekends if, as you claim, people's behavior would still not change? Your reasoning implicitly assumes that those were pointless and wasteful decisions, that they could be rolled back without effecting participation. Australia's fine is only $20 yet it results in near complete participation, there are not hordes of lazy people opting to pay a fine. People want to vote, we just have to give them the means and ability to do so.
Other countries especially European ones are not hell holes when it comes to working, job stability and ruthless corporate tactics. This is why they have nice things and we don't. For example, on Friday I was sitting at my office cubicle at 4pm twiddling my thumbs for an hour. Everything on my plate was pushed to next week. But I was scared to leave, as well as the rest of the people that work for the same manager. Me and another coworker were texting each other about it, saying that our company is so mindlessly stupid and old fashioned. So I basically sat there for a whole hour doing absolutely nothing, which could have been better spent with my wife and our 10 month old. Now imagine if you are a line worker at McDonalds or work for any of the countless places where GAF horror stories take place. You'd be fired for taking any latitude with the rules on the spot. People absolutely do not want to be late for work. People even come to my work place while being sick and coughing their innards out. It's so ridiculous. And we are paid in potatoes compared to other countries for the amount of work we do and the discipline we show. We don't get paternity, maternity is only a couple of days, and working from home is looked upon as something lazy and bad work-ethic.

If you give us a holiday, ANY holiday, we will use it for ourselves. We need that time off for ourselves. That is why if you make the election day holiday, either we will get a BBQ grill going, catch up with a dentist appointment or just chill. It's better to keep the election day on the weekday because we can vote while we are outside coming from work. This is not the same in other developed countries. People have ample time off, and they don't work for idiot bosses that time warped from the 50s, and there is a sense of good job/benefit security.
 

HylianTom

Banned
I see an Election Day holiday as something that couldn't hurt. There's only really possible upside to it. And it's certainly more important and worthy of a holiday than friggin' Columbus Day. Given how many folks will want to make a long weekend of it, I could see it becoming a rather celebrated holiday.

That said, a national standard for early voting should be one of those top-shelf "ram-it-through-regardless-of-consequences" type of items. The next time the Democrats get control of both Congress and the White House, this should be an absolute must-do, even if they have to tie it to funding and ram it through with reconciliation.
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
Oregon seems to consistently have a high turnout. Why not just emulate what they do with ballots by mail? I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work in other states.
 
Work/school is like the definition of too busy.

I hate to keep harping on this relatively minor point, but the first poll distinguished between "too busy" and "work/school conflict". The second poll explicitly asked them a variety of reasons for why they didn't vote one of which was that voting takes too long but only 3% said yes to that. So your point that:

If voting really is simple and easy, there's no way work would cause anyone to not be able to vote.

is just not true. Only a small percent said they didn't vote because voting took too long, most pointed to work as the culprit.


If you give us a holiday, ANY holiday, we will use it for ourselves. We need that time off for ourselves. That is why if you make the election day holiday, either we will get a BBQ grill going, catch up with a dentist appointment or just chill. It's better to keep the election day on the weekday because we can vote while we are outside coming from work. This is not the same in other developed countries. People have ample time off, and they don't work for idiot bosses that time warped from the 50s, and there is a sense of good job/benefit security.

Yes, but those countries already had those things before they made voting a holiday. So clearly they thought that there was still a benefit to doing it, that is, there was a segment of the population who were not voting but would if they had the day off. Why not capture that same demographic in the US? And as those two polls above showed, people who don't vote say work is the specific reason they're failing to do so. If having it on a weekday was more convenient as you claim, then why would these people not be voting and then complaining that work was the reason why?

And as HylianTom said above, it cannot possibly make turnout worse, 2014 had 36% participation. And I'm hopeful that a voting holiday would be respected, as it's not like you would be taking the whole day to vote (assuming that other voting problems in the US are addressed). Just like a Fourth of July BBQ party, people could host voting parties where you show up after voting or something.
 
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thepotatoman

Unconfirmed Member
And as HylianTom said above, it cannot possibly make turnout worse, 2014 had 36% participation. And I'm hopeful that a voting holiday would be respected, as it's not like you would be taking the whole day to vote (assuming that other voting problems in the US are addressed). Just like a Fourth of July BBQ party, people could host voting parties where you show up after voting or something.

Now you've lost my vote. I don't want to be spending election night with that one uber political family member or friend of a friend who gets all their news from chain emails and facebook posts. They're hard enough to deal with when the holiday isn't political in nature.
 

Jackson50

Member
I was going to ask if you posted this ironically, then I saw that the link was to World Net Daily.

Someone should tell the author that King and Rosa Parks were the "LGBT crowd" of their day, and that if World Net Daily existed back in the 60s they would be fighting on behalf of "the pizza lady" such that she can exclude King and Park from services based on her religious belief.

The christian persecution complex that is arising from the advance of LGBT rights is truly something.
King and Parks were not the heroes of the civil rights movement. They were tyrants who forced their views on everyone else. The true heroes of that era were the men who disobeyed an illegal ruling by an illegitimate SCOTUS. When black students attempted to force their way into high schools and universities across the South, George Wallace and Orval Faubus courageously stood up to federal autocrats who ruled by fiat. Undaunted by threats of federal intervention, they epitomized civil disobedience by opposing an unjust law. They fought for the rights of citizens to live free of a domineering government. And like today's gay agenda, honest disagreement was dismissed as bigotry by a peremptory PC culture. A vocal minority is usurping the rule of law to force a radical social agenda down our throats.
 
In-person voter fraud =/= digital voter fraud; not just in terms of actuality, but potential damage.

So? That something bad might happen doesn't mean that something else shouldn't be done, but simply that you should design, test, adopt and perfect a system of checks and balances to deal with whatever issues might arise, provided that you consider that the benefits outweight the costs. To use a completely unrelated example that parallels this in no way whatsoever, the US gave no fucks about spending millions of dollars and turning some individuals into gigantic balls of flame if it meant telling the soviets to get fucked cuz they got to the moon first. Same deal.

Then you factor that republicans would cockblock it anyway and just keep getting reamed in the midterms.
 
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