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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On
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benjipwns
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typical left-wing intolerance towards real democracy
Yea, but this time he pulled the trigger. He's actually running this time.
He can drop out at any time without filing.
I expect him to hoist a mission accomplished banner and say he did everything he wanted to by running.
He better not, he's the only reason I'm excited about the GOP primaries. Everyone else is so boring in comparison.
I'm with you on that, I just cant' see him actually doing the financial disclosure.
Thequietone
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As much as I love Sanders, even I know he has no chance at winning. I don't even think he wants to win to be honest. He is the only reason I am looking forward to the Democrat debates since he'll push Clinton more to the left. Popcorn at the ready for the Republican debates. Might die of salt overdose.
According to Scott Walker, Hillary Clinton has no accomplishments
I almost added that picture but decided against it.
Look very natural and not pandering at all.
Poodlestrike
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I'm so proud that my state can produce a candidate more ridiculous than Trump.
Aaron Strife
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Walker accomplishments:
1. Has screwed up Wisconsin
Clinton accomplishments:
1. Has not screwed up anything
Tough call.
While I agree that Hillary has much more admirable accomplishments than Walker, saying she has not screwed up anything is disingenuous at best
benjipwns
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Vince Foster agrees.
anything? cough Benghazi cough.
She didn't screw up Benghazi. She's screwed up other things, but that was not her fault.
Reads like the screeds of a man who wanted to topple the ACA at any cost, and would support any novel legal argument in order to do so. I hope he enjoys the blanket of protection afforded to him by SCOTUScare.
Why can't they just come out and fucking tell us already. "Yeah, it was an arms deal gone wrong. CIA operatives were facilitating a gun buy between Libyan extremist groups and Syrian rebels. Shit went south, plausible deniability, you've all seen the moves you know how this shit works." and be done with it. We're totally ok with you spying on our dick pics and murdering citizens with robots, this ain't shit.
I was being sarcastic lol. I should have worded it that way. Aaron knows whats up though. xD
Wont change the fact that Republicans are going to run on it though. Get ready for clips of "What difference does it make". If she did any screw ups, they are minor.
benjipwns
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Never admit defeat.
gah should have known from the Hillary avatar. Sorry, it's been a long work week, still waking my brain back up lol
Obama's Folsom Prison Blues moment
Fourth quarter Obama is going to personally unlock the cell doors of his black panther brethen.
Fourth quarter Obama is going to personally unlock the cell doors of his black panther brethen.
User 250141
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Yeah, exactly.
Bachmann, Gingrich, and Cain could push Romney to the right because they were actually polling ahead of him at one point, and he needed to wins those voters back.
Sanders is no threat to winning the nomination, so there's no reason for Hildawg to change her stances to grab his voters.
PhoenixDark
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You guys are laughing but he knows exactly what he's doing; he looks and talks like the base. Walker will be the nominee.
Only reason he hasn't ended his campaign yet is no one is paying attention due to TRUMP. He'll be done after the first debate, he literally has nothing to run on.
The media has deemed him a front runner. That's why. But it makes sense. He's a strong candidate. He has experience as a legislator and executive, and he's won three elections in a large swing state. Regarding your second question, many people think Castro is a front runner. I think that's unlikely considering his inexperience. And aside from Castro, there are not many viable options.
Bernie Sanders will never become the Treasury Secretary. That's funny.
Thequietone
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So you guys/gals are pretty much saying that Hillary might as well be running unopposed? I agree that she will get the nomination easily, but I am not sure I'd say Hillary would still have the same stances in both scenarios.
Oh she wouldn't, just by having some competition from her left will alter her stances slightly.
benjipwns
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PD's (and my) point about Walker that you guys are all missing is that you're not looking at it from the GOP base's POV.
He's perfect.
She is. I'm shocked that she intends to actually attend the debates. I guess she really wants to dig the knife in.
PhoenixDark
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He has the best record of anyone running in the republican field. You guys keep basing it on our (liberal/fact based) view of his record. Meanwhile in republican world he has enacted nearly every republican idea over the last few years. Wisconsin's unemployment rate is still low, especially when compared to Florida (Bush/Rubio) or NJ (Christie). He crushed unions. He has underfunded public universities. He has drug tested Medicare beneficiaries. He has cut taxes. He has signed ridiculous voter ID laws. He has won two elections in a democrat state.
He has done everything the base who will elect the GOP nominee wants, and it hasn't resulted in a complete disaster like Kansas. Voters can relate to him, unlike Bush.
She could have announced her candidacy the day before the DNC convention in July 2016 and I guarantee the party would give her nomination in such a scenario. If it was ultimately up to the party and not primary voters, she would have it in a heart beat no questions ask.
Most of the party is behind her publicly and also privately. They obviously wont say it publicly but I am sure the vast majority of them would have had no problem with her "coronation" to the nomination. Hence the lack of serious opposition even by the sitting Vice President of the United States. She has been endorsed by 115 Congress Members of her party representing half of its members out of 233.
By that logic Trump is the GOAT candidate.
The base will love Walker, but the elites will sink him if he gets anywhere near the nomination. They're looking for electability and not at who the base loves.
Three elections, brah.
Pretty much agreed with everything here, except with one key omission: he'll never have to worry about fundraising, given the pair of brothers he already has in his corner.
benjipwns
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Walker is the electable compromise candidate.
We can for the most part write off Carson, Cruz, Carly, Gilmore, Graham, Jindal, Kasich, Pataki, and Santorum without any need for a campaign.
Paul is out because of foreign policy. Huckabee and Perry are old hat and thus have a ceiling built in as well. Trump will always be a flavor of the moment candidate like a less probable form of Gingrich. Rubio and Jeb! are hurt by immigration and base distrust. Christie will never get over hugging Obama.
That leaves Walker. (Who isn't perceived as majorly conservative by independents, more like "who?")
Last man standing.
Aaron Strife
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Will be great for the base and terrible for the general election. Can't wait!
He is up there with Bush and Rubio in the elect-ability stakes (whatever that means). Maybe Kasich would be the fourth in that group but it won't matter much because it will be tough for him to get out of the primaries.
He's a governor (read: executive experience which the GOP electorate values more than lawmaking) of a swing state, who's enacted wet dream conservative policies and gone on to defeat democrats in three elections over four years. Oh, and he'll have no trouble amassing a war chest.
Other than not liking him personally, I don't see how one could discount his potential impact on the race.
So do you think Bush will ultimately be the nominee? Can he take down Walker with what PD just mentioned? Will the heart of the Republican party represented by the primary voters/tea party etc where Walker is at beat where the head of the Republican Party representing the party operative/Establishment/elites/electibility?
Head over Heart. Bush Vs Walker. Who will win that fight. PD might be right.
benjipwns
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From that recent CNN poll with all the massive Clinton leads:
Independents/GOP
Clinton - 51/12
Jeb! - 42/84
Clinton - 56/11
Rubio - 38/87
Clinton - 53/14
Christie - 38/82
Clinton - 59/19
Trump - 33/71
Clinton - 56/11
Walker - 38/87
Trump isn't treated seriously enough. Walker vs. Rubio is advantage Walker.
Independents/GOP
Clinton - 51/12
Jeb! - 42/84
Clinton - 56/11
Rubio - 38/87
Clinton - 53/14
Christie - 38/82
Clinton - 59/19
Trump - 33/71
Clinton - 56/11
Walker - 38/87
Trump isn't treated seriously enough. Walker vs. Rubio is advantage Walker.
Coriolanus
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"Perfect" would imply also having charisma, and in that regard dude is pretty much tied with Jebbo.
I'm totes with ya that dude's the main threat to Jebster, tho. Especially since his attempt won't fall apart as soon as someone brings up Schiavo.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah, but Trump looks and talks like the guy the base wishes they could be.
I mean, hopefully they aspire to a better hairpiece, but other than that...
benjipwns
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RCP Average before that CNN Poll:
Clinton 47 - Rubio 43
Clinton 47 - Jeb! 41
Clinton 48 - Walker 41
Clinton 50 - Christie 39
Clinton 53 - Trump 34
(And that's with the FOX poll that shows Clinton and Jeb! tied at 43 and Clinton only beating Rubio by 1.)
It's not really a handicap if you can avoid looking like Perry did.
Clinton 47 - Rubio 43
Clinton 47 - Jeb! 41
Clinton 48 - Walker 41
Clinton 50 - Christie 39
Clinton 53 - Trump 34
(And that's with the FOX poll that shows Clinton and Jeb! tied at 43 and Clinton only beating Rubio by 1.)
Romney. McCain.
It's not really a handicap if you can avoid looking like Perry did.
benjipwns
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Point of my posting those head-to-heads was to show that when party elites look at them, Walker looks competitive against Clinton as much as Jeb!, and when you look at the party breakdown he also does better with the GOP. This prevents Jeb! from wrapping them all up simply because he's a Bush. (Especially when the Bush machine is such a small faction of the party now compared to 2000.)
Say you setup a scale where 1 = "ideal Democrat" and 7 = "ideal Republican" based on perception and not actual ideology. Sanders is a 1, and say probably Cruz is a 7.
Clinton's goal is probably to be looking like a 3.6/3.7, Jeb! and Walker are both able to get near 4.5 if presented properly. Other than Rubio and some of the 1% candidates, that's not so easy. Jeb! might be able to hit 4.5 exactly, Walker's best might be a 4.8. But that's close enough to satisfy the broad base of the party AND independents. Someone like Christie can probably get closer to 4, but he's already dead weight.
Trump is trying to get to 8 on immigration apparently, but what about everything else?
Say you setup a scale where 1 = "ideal Democrat" and 7 = "ideal Republican" based on perception and not actual ideology. Sanders is a 1, and say probably Cruz is a 7.
Clinton's goal is probably to be looking like a 3.6/3.7, Jeb! and Walker are both able to get near 4.5 if presented properly. Other than Rubio and some of the 1% candidates, that's not so easy. Jeb! might be able to hit 4.5 exactly, Walker's best might be a 4.8. But that's close enough to satisfy the broad base of the party AND independents. Someone like Christie can probably get closer to 4, but he's already dead weight.
Trump is trying to get to 8 on immigration apparently, but what about everything else?
Coriolanus
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