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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On

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pigeon

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This is what I don't understand with the "just give up on Bernie and support Hillary" crowd; doesn't her calculated support for issues such as police brutality, LGBT issues, the amount of funding she receives from large giant banks, lack of actual plans to fix our social mobility problem, using super PAC money, and such other issues bug most of you?

Why would it bother me that Hillary is a pragmatic politician? Pragmatic politicians are concerned with getting elected and reelected. That means supporting the positions your constituency supports, which is me. Why should I be upset with Hillary for explicitly being willing to support my positions?

I don't see Hillary's plans on social mobility as being any less detailed than Bernie's.

Here's a link from Hillary's website:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/its-time-raise-incomes-hard-working-americans-hillary-clinton

Here's Bernie's website:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/income-and-wealth-inequality/

How are Hillary's less detailed?

Bernie's big issue is capturing the minority and lady vote.

This encapsulates the problem I have with Bernie. He's got young white liberals locked up. All he has to do is, you know, convince the rest of the Democratic coalition that actually wins elections. Well, I'm not a young white liberal, and this attitude is exactly the problem I have with Sanders supporters. (Not Sanders himself -- just the supporters.)
 
Can we all agree that bringing up Hillary's support of Barry Goldwater as a teenage girl is pretty dumb

Liz Warren was a Republican until the 90s and no one cares about that

Like man I hope when I run for office no one finds anything I said as a teenager.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Can we all agree that bringing up Hillary's support of Barry Goldwater as a teenage girl is pretty dumb

Liz Warren was a Republican until the 90s and no one cares about that

Like man I hope when I run for office no one finds anything I said as a teenager.

No it is. My mom is a registered republican and wouldn't dream of voting for anyone that isn't a democrat, actually I'm pretty sure the only republican she's ever voted for in her life is Reagan.

People's stances on issues change, the best evidence of this has been the Daily Show's Month of Zen. Jon was a centrist when the show got started and the show has chronicled his evolution leftward on almost every issue.
 
Why would it bother me that Hillary is a pragmatic politician?

I understand the pragmatic part, but why sell yourself out? Taking SuperPAC money, despite being against CU, seems ridiculously disingenuous.

Why did she have to wait to make her true thoughts on controversial issues? It just seems like she's doing nothing but pandering for herself rather than the American people.

How are Hillary's less detailed?

All talk with little to no action. She gives ideas but this profit sharing idea sounds just short of trickle down economics. Find a way to spin the whole 90% tax to just "Hey, this is what happened in the Eisenhower days."


This encapsulates the problem I have with Bernie. He's got young white liberals locked up. All he has to do is, you know, convince the rest of the Democratic coalition that actually wins elections. Well, I'm not a young white liberal, and this attitude is exactly the problem I have with Sanders supporters. (Not Sanders himself -- just the supporters.)

I think he's trying to show that he's not pandering to specific bases. He explained this in a NPR interview when asked about Clinton's "All lives matter" reference. He went with we're all groups who are oppressed by corporate America, and he highlighted statistics of African Americans problems with finding steady employment. He wants to fix these issues.

Plus, he did tons of sit-ins and such. I can't find record of Hillary doing such things in her early days.

Bernie just seems more action with less talk. I like that from Sanders end. I'm tired of Obama's talk with little action that just benefits corporate America.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Can we all agree that bringing up Hillary's support of Barry Goldwater as a teenage girl is pretty dumb

Liz Warren was a Republican until the 90s and no one cares about that

Like man I hope when I run for office no one finds anything I said as a teenager.

Or bringing up the fact that Rick Perry was a Democrat in college? The wachos don't care.
 
Can we all agree that bringing up Hillary's support of Barry Goldwater as a teenage girl is pretty dumb

Liz Warren was a Republican until the 90s and no one cares about that

Like man I hope when I run for office no one finds anything I said as a teenager.

It makes for an interesting contrast though, so I'm fine with it being brought up as comparison to other candidates. Same reason Obama was so effective attacking it ("while you were a corporate lawyer for Wal Mart I was helping working class Americans whose jobs had just been shipped overseas.").
 

pigeon

Banned
I understand the pragmatic part, but why sell yourself out? Taking SuperPAC money, despite being against CU, seems ridiculously disingenuous.

To me it seems quintessentially pragmatic. The reason Citizens United matters is that money helps win elections (to some degree). But in order to do anything about Citizens United, you need to win elections. Why would I want a candidate that considers it their moral responsibility to lose elections with principle? I want a candidate who wins elections so that I can actually get the money out of them, and that requires a SuperPAC.

Why did she have to wait to make her true thoughts on controversial issues?

I mean, because they were controversial? Again, the point here is to win elections, enact policy, and move incrementally towards the right positions. That's how we went from Andrew Sullivan supporting gay marriage in 1989 to Anthony Kennedy supporting it in 2015. Was it right in 1989? Yes. Could it have won the election? Absolutely not.

All talk with little to no action. She gives ideas but this profit sharing idea sounds just short of trickle down economics. Find a way to spin the whole 90% tax to just "Hey, this is what happened in the Eisenhower days."

This is a complete non-answer.

I posted two links that I got by going to the candidate's website and clicking the first link I saw talking about income inequality.

Here are some of the specific policies Hillary lists:

* Comprehensive immigration reform
* Infrastructure bank
* Paid family leave
* Earned sick days
* Equal pay for equal work
* Raise the minimum wage
* Strengthen Obamacare
* Expand early learning
* Support unions and collective bargaining
* Reform capital gains tax

I left out a lot of things that I didn't consider explicit enough, but that's a long list of specific policies.

Here are the specific policies on Bernie Sanders's webpage:

*

There isn't a single one! I don't understand how you can possibly suggest that Hillary is all talk no action when Bernie's entire campaign so far as I can tell is "we should be more socialist" with NO SPECIFIC POLICY INITIATIVES.

Bernie just seems more action with less talk. I like that from Sanders end. I'm tired of Obama's talk with little action that just benefits corporate America.

Meanwhile...

vox said:
Tuesday's Iran deal confirms something that has been clear for a while now: Barack Obama is one of the most consequential presidents in American history — and he will be a particularly towering figure in the history of American progressivism.

Obama has reestablished productive diplomacy as the central task of a progressive foreign policy, and as a viable alternative approach to dealing with countries the GOP foreign policy establishment would rather bomb. He established a viable alternative to the liberal hawks that dominated Democratic thinking during the Bush years, and held positions of influence on Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign. And he developed a cadre of aides who can carry on that legacy to future Democratic administrations, and keep a tradition of dovishness alive....

But Obama's legacy will not just be foreign policy.

National health insurance has been the single defining goal of American progressivism for more than a century....And for more than a century, efforts to achieve national health insurance failed....

Then, on March 23, 2010, President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law. It wasn't perfect by any means. It wasn't single-payer; it lacked a public option, or all-payer rate-setting. And it still left many uninsured. But it established, for the first time in history, that it was the responsibility of the United States government to provide health insurance to nearly all Americans, and it expanded Medicaid and offered hundreds of billions of dollars in insurance subsidies to fulfill that responsibility....

And of course, the Affordable Care Act was hardly Obama's only accomplishment. He passed a stimulus bill that included major reforms to the nation's education system, big spending on clean energy, and significant expansions of anti-poverty programs. He shepherded through the Dodd-Frank Act, the first significant crackdown on Wall Street's power in a generation, which has been far more successful than commonly acknowledged.

He used executive action to enact bold regulations to curb greenhouse gas emissions, and to protect nearly 6 million undocumented immigrants from deportation. He ended the ban on gay and lesbian service in the military, made it easier for women and minorities to fight wage discrimination, cut out wasteful private sector involvement in student loans, and hiked the top income tax rate. He reprofessionalized the Department of Justice and refashioned the National Labor Relations Board and the Wage and Hour Division of the Labor Department into highly effective forces for workers' rights.

His presidency holds massive symbolic value as proof that the reign of white men over American government can be halted and America as a whole can be represented. And while he was too slow in announcing support for same-sex marriage, he appointed two of the justices behind the Supreme Court's historic decision legalizing it nationwide, and enlisted his Justice Department on the side of the plaintiffs.

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/26/8849925/obama-obamacare-history-presidents

I have to be totally honest with you -- suggesting that Obama hasn't accomplished much except for the big banks basically just makes it obvious that you haven't been paying attention at all. You could reasonably argue that Obama accomplished more for the progressive cause than any president since FDR. (The only counterargument would be LBJ.)
 

NeoXChaos

Member
I understand the pragmatic part, but why sell yourself out? Taking SuperPAC money, despite being against CU, seems ridiculously disingenuous.

Why did she have to wait to make her true thoughts on controversial issues? It just seems like she's doing nothing but pandering for herself rather than the American people.



All talk with little to no action. She gives ideas but this profit sharing idea sounds just short of trickle down economics. Find a way to spin the whole 90% tax to just "Hey, this is what happened in the Eisenhower days."




I think he's trying to show that he's not pandering to specific bases. He explained this in a NPR interview when asked about Clinton's "All lives matter" reference. He went with we're all groups who are oppressed by corporate America, and he highlighted statistics of African Americans problems with finding steady employment. He wants to fix these issues.

Plus, he did tons of sit-ins and such. I can't find record of Hillary doing such things in her early days.

Bernie just seems more action with less talk. I like that from Sanders end. I'm tired of Obama's talk with little action that just benefits corporate America.

Pigeon has a point. Its all the Bernie supporters ramble about. "Money", "Big Banks" "PACs" "Citizens United' while Hillary is speaking to a broader set of issues and base I care more about then just "screw the system get the bums and money out or nothing changes"
 

Jooney

Member
Why are you guys so mad at that line, when it's not coming from someone who isn't belittling your cause?

Because it comes off as people on the margins of a movement referee-ing to people within a movement how to conduct their business. "All lives matter" is a true-ism, but it reeks of a lack of understanding of the drivers and causes rattling within the movement.

Imagine if you and I rolled up to an abortion rights rally and told the protesters "No, no no! ALL people should have control of their bodies". Of course we wouldn't do this, as we understand that the power dynamic being challenged is between the government and a specific segment of the population (i.e. women) as it pertains to a specific policy.
 
Trump supporters (oh who am i kidding) prepare for ether
Basically, denis hamill of the ny daily news goes to a trump housing development to try to find trump supporters
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hamill-no-donald-trump-supporters-trump-village-article-1.2289354
“Donald Trump can go straight to hell,” said Thompson, 68, who served with the 720th Military Police of C Company of the U.S. Army in Long Binh, Vietnam, from 1968-69 while Donald Trump attended the Wharton School of Business in Pennsylvania.
“Donald Trump didn’t have to make it on his own like everybody else around here,” Thompson said. “His father built this complex. Donald just took it over. His big claim to fame was building a skating rink in Central Park. Then he opened a casino and declared bankruptcy. What the hell are his qualifications to be President? Firing people on a TV reality show? That he just got fired from for his disgusting remarks about Mexican immigrants? Donald Trump can go to hell. I’m voting for Hillary.”
I ventured out into the shopping center to try to find someone who would say something nice about Trump in Trump Village.
“He’s an idiot,” said Liz, a Mexican-American who didn’t want her last name used. “The things Trump said about Mexicans hurt us deeply. I work. Moses (her husband) works. We pay taxes. I live on Avenue Z with mostly Italians and they are angry and embarrassed by him. I’m voting for Hillary.” I kept trying to find a Trump supporter in Trump Village.
"His old man built this complex with federal Mitchell-Lama handouts and got rich,” says Donald Sanchez, 70, a Social Security Administration worker who has lived in Trump Village for 20 years, and before that in Trump’s Beechhurst Houses. “This bum Donald talks high and mighty, but he didn’t have to work from the bottom up like an immigrant. He stepped into his old man’s shoes. I’m half-Irish, half-Spanish. My father from Spain. Immigrants built this city of immigrants. The Mexican people are unbelievably hard workers. For Trump to call them murderers, drug dealers and rapists is just pandering to the racist fringe of the Republican Party like a bottom feeder. He’s the new George Wallace.”

Lmao
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Trump just made this race a whole lot less interesting with those comments.

His numbers will be single-digits by the end of the week.
 

NeoXChaos

Member
Trump just made this race a whole lot less interesting with those comments.

His numbers will be single-digits by the end of the week.

I think his poll numbers are going to increase because of this. He has to make the first debate or he is going to flip out. I want to see him flip out at Bush hard. If the Republicans lash out or force him out he will make do on the third party run.
 
Trump just made this race a whole lot less interesting with those comments.

His numbers will be single-digits by the end of the week.

I'm not so sure what it will do to him. He's a pretty good spinmeister and is already making this about how he will fix the VA and do what politicians like McCain can't. His facebook page has gathered 60,000 new followers since the comments.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Anyone who thinks it's better to lose an election as a "principled' Democrat needs to take a trip back to 2011. Losing elections are bad enough. But losing elections that fucked you over for AT LEAST TEN YEARS is an atrocity.

I love Bernie, but I'd gladly dump him off at an old folks home if it meant Democrats took control of congress again. Lieberman, Lincoln, Nelson, etc. might all be douches, but they are infinitely better than their Republican alternatives.

Trump just made this race a whole lot less interesting with those comments.

His numbers will be single-digits by the end of the week.

I don't think this'll hurt him. Republicans have no problem hating our beloved troops as long as it's the right troops being hated.
 

NeoXChaos

Member
Anyone who thinks it's better to lose an election as a "principled' Democrat needs to take a trip back to 2011. Losing elections are bad enough. But losing elections that fucked you over for AT LEAST TEN YEARS is an atrocity.

I love Bernie, but I'd gladly dump him off at an old folks home if it meant Democrats took control of congress again. Lieberman, Lincoln, Nelson, etc. might all be douches, but they are infinitely better than their Republican alternatives.



I don't think this'll hurt him. Republicans have no problem hating our beloved troops as long as it's the right troops being hated.

and we will be screwed for another in 2018 if liberals dont come out like in 2010/2014. Most of everything is up that year. 2020 is just a repeat of next year.
 
and we will be screwed for another in 2018 if liberals dont come out like in 2010/2014. Most of everything is up that year. 2020 is just a repeat of next year.

Give them a reason to show up and they might show up. Give them the same ole shit and they'll become apathetic and most definitely won't show up. Pretty fucking simple.
 
Hillary's platform is very similar to bernie's though, and she has a far higher chance of winning than he does. Does hillary just seem untrustworthy and phony to you?
 
Hillary's platform is very similar to bernie's though, and she has a far higher chance of winning than he does. Does hillary just seem untrustworthy and phony to you?

Hillary is not going to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour or even push for that to be implemented. That is the moral issue of our time. Slavery may in fact be dead throughout the USA in many regards(minus sex trafficking). But if you work, you should not be living in poverty. If Hillary wants to keep the quasi-chains on millions of Americans I wish she would just stick with her fake southern accent. It'd be more appropriate.
 
Erasure.
This will be the republican response to even the most benign of Colonel Sanders's proposed legislation

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But please continue to support whoever you wish, symptom of a healthy democracy and all that
 
Give them a reason to show up and they might show up. Give them the same ole shit and they'll become apathetic and most definitely won't show up. Pretty fucking simple.

This very sentence is the very reason why liberals lose and conservatives win. Because conservatives show up - no matter what.
 

watershed

Banned

Good for him. It seems that he was previously unaware of "all lives matter" being a conservative-led effort to take de-racialize the context of "black lives matter." It's refreshing that he actually admitted to not understanding but he also has a potentially damaging history on race due to his time as mayor and governor. I think he and his campaign are very sensitive to this issue because of his history.
 

RDreamer

Member
Good for him. It seems that he was previously unaware of "all lives matter" being a conservative-led effort to take de-racialize the context of "black lives matter." It's refreshing that he actually admitted to not understanding but he also has a potentially damaging history on race due to his time as mayor and governor. I think he and his campaign are very sensitive to this issue because of his history.

How the hell is the democratic governor of the state that includes Baltimore (and former Mayor of said city) unaware of this?
 

watershed

Banned
How the hell is the democratic governor of the state that includes Baltimore (and former Mayor of said city) unaware of this?

That is one of his biggest faults, hence the rest of my post. But I don't think any other dem candidate is in a position to flank him on this issue. Bernie is having his own troubles talking about race in America and Hillary has taken a strong progressive position in her rhetoric so far but has no record to stand on.
 
Good for him. It seems that he was previously unaware of "all lives matter" being a conservative-led effort to take de-racialize the context of "black lives matter." It's refreshing that he actually admitted to not understanding but he also has a potentially damaging history on race due to his time as mayor and governor. I think he and his campaign are very sensitive to this issue because of his history.

Not every use of "all lives matter" is a conservative hit job. Especially when class is becoming the dominant issue I find "Black Lives Matter" to be an inefficient movement/name.

I wouldn't have apologized but I understand O'Malley's plight. The Freddie Gray protests probably doomed much of his presidential campaign by exposing how ugly his record was on over-policing an urban city. Perhaps he can use this as an attempt to make some inroads and listen to the activists, but based on their behavior I don't get the impression they're interested in that. It's nothing more than aimless rage and identity politics instead of supporting or endorsing actual policy solutions.
 

watershed

Banned
Not every use of "all lives matter" is a conservative hit job. Especially when class is becoming the dominant issue I find "Black Lives Matter" to be an inefficient movement/name.

I wouldn't have apologized but I understand O'Malley's plight. The Freddie Gray protests probably doomed much of his presidential campaign by exposing how ugly his record was on over-policing an urban city. Perhaps he can use this as an attempt to make some inroads and listen to the activists, but based on their behavior I don't get the impression they're interested in that. It's nothing more than aimless rage and identity politics instead of supporting or endorsing actual policy solutions.

I don't think any dem candidate is concerned about winning over black lives matter activists specifically. I imagine their concern is more with being portrayed in the media/social media as being unconcerned or out of touch with the increased importance of race issues in our politics. And as you say O'Malley has his own history with policing and race that he does not want to see rise to the forefront of his campaign. It would sink his campaign and he's already a distant 3rd in the race.
 

Farmboy

Member
Melon.
This will be the republican response to even the most benign of Hillary proposed legislation

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But please continue to support whomever(the proper grammar) you wish, symptom of a healthy democracy and all that

That's actually the best reason to support the most electable Democrat.
 
Melon.
This will be the republican response to even the most benign of Hillary('s) proposed legislation

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But please continue to support whomever(the proper grammar) you wish, symptom of a healthy democracy and all that
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Im just havin fun with ya i hope u get your 15$ an hour someday.
 
Lol, this HuffPo article saying Biden's still considering a run with a final decision by September. Why the need to create fraudulent tension when there's some good, soapy mess happening with the Rs?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Lol, this HuffPo article saying Biden's still considering a run with a final decision by September. Why the need to create fraudulent tension when there's some good, soapy mess happening with the Rs?

Because Biden is really the only one that could go blow for blow with Hillary. The guy acts silly, but don't forget that he's sharp as a tack and a good campaigner. He made Paul Ryan look like a child in 2012, killing his national career in one debate, and he killed Rudy's aspirations with a throwaway line in 2008. He's got more experience than anyone else, he can lean pretty heavily on his time as VP--from all reports he was a pretty big adviser to Obama and has pushed him left a few times. Plus look at his polling numbers, he's been running in second despite doing all of jack shit and Sanders has only recently overtaken him. He may not be able to beat Hillary, but unless Sanders can break through his ceiling Biden's the only one that can give her a real fight.
 
Because Biden is really the only one that could go blow for blow with Hillary. The guy acts silly, but don't forget that he's sharp as a tack and a good campaigner. He made Paul Ryan look like a child in 2012, killing his national career in one debate, and he killed Rudy's aspirations with a throwaway line in 2008. He's got more experience than anyone else, he can lean pretty heavily on his time as VP--from all reports he was a pretty big adviser to Obama and has pushed him left a few times. Plus look at his polling numbers, he's been running in second despite doing all of jack shit and Sanders has only recently overtaken him. He may not be able to beat Hillary, but unless Sanders can break through his ceiling Biden's the only one that can give her a real fight.
But then what happens to Obama's endorsements of Hill on Twitter and such? Do they just disappear?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
But then what happens to Obama's endorsements of Hill on Twitter and such? Do they just disappear?

I never really said Biden was going to run, just why people are talking about him running. He's not going to, we'd be hearing a lot more solid whispers if he were. He is probably reweighing his options after the recent events in his life, but if he were going to run we'd be hearing more about it than an article on HuffPo. He likes being Obama's right hand too much, I think. People just want a real fight for the Democratic nomination is all, right now the only one who can beat Hillary is Hillary.
 
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thepotatoman

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I wonder if that would constitutional. It doesn't seem like it. He argues that immigration is a privilege and not a right, but I can't imagine it'd be constitutional to force immigrants to do something like swear allegiance to a political party in order to be accepted, or only accepting immigrants that follow a particular religion.
 

thefro

Member
I wonder if that would constitutional. It doesn't seem like it. He argues that immigration is a privilege and not a right, but I can't imagine it'd be constitutional to force immigrants to do something like swear allegiance to a political party in order to be accepted, or only accepting immigrants that follow a particular religion.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/342/580.html

Congress has pretty wide power in immigration law.
 

Polari

Member
Trump just made this race a whole lot less interesting with those comments.

His numbers will be single-digits by the end of the week.

It probably won't hurt him. Most of the people saying they'll vote for him never will in reality anyway. They just like that he's livening things up, and I can't see how his McCain comments detract from that.
 

dramatis

Member
Hillary is not going to raise the minimum wage to $15/hour or even push for that to be implemented. That is the moral issue of our time. Slavery may in fact be dead throughout the USA in many regards(minus sex trafficking). But if you work, you should not be living in poverty. If Hillary wants to keep the quasi-chains on millions of Americans I wish she would just stick with her fake southern accent. It'd be more appropriate.
Minimum wage at $15/hour is important, but hardly the moral issue of our time. There are a lot of issues on the table. The Sanders supporters are overemphasizing the economic issues above all other issues, and dismiss any other issues brought up, which is precisely why you guys annoy minorities and women.
 
Because Biden is really the only one that could go blow for blow with Hillary. The guy acts silly, but don't forget that he's sharp as a tack and a good campaigner. He made Paul Ryan look like a child in 2012, killing his national career in one debate, and he killed Rudy's aspirations with a throwaway line in 2008. He's got more experience than anyone else, he can lean pretty heavily on his time as VP--from all reports he was a pretty big adviser to Obama and has pushed him left a few times. Plus look at his polling numbers, he's been running in second despite doing all of jack shit and Sanders has only recently overtaken him. He may not be able to beat Hillary, but unless Sanders can break through his ceiling Biden's the only one that can give her a real fight.
He didn't exactly kill him. A great deal of people that saw that debate would say that biden was disrespectful and laughed at ryan for everything he said. Also, he didn't kill Ryan's future national aspirations because he has none. He accepted the vp position from romney reluctantly, and isnt running for president for a variety of reasons, but a main is that because of his family history he feels like he may not have much time left to live. His longtime aspiration has been to attain chairmanship of the house ways and means committee, at which he has succeeded.
 
Scott Walker: 'I Don't Know' If People Are Born Gay Or If It's A Choice

Bash: Do you think that being gay is a choice?

Walker: Oh, I mean I think -- that’s not even an issue for me to be involved in. The bottom line is, I’m going to stand up and work hard for every American regardless of who they are, no matter where they come from, no matter what their background. I’m going to fight for people whether they vote for me or not.

Bash: On behalf of people to do that properly you have to understand or at least have an opinion on who they are and where they’re coming from.

Walker: But again, I think -- no, I don’t have an opinion on every single issue out there. I mean to me that’s -- I don’t know. I don’t know the answer to that question. So, I’m saying I don’t know what the answer to that is. And I’m going to spend my time focused on things that I do know and I can work on.

At least he's consistent with his stance on evolution: For me, I am going to punt on that one as well
 
WASHINGTON -- Nearly all of the lobbyists bundling contributions for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign have at one time or another worked for the fossil fuel industry.

A list of 40 registered lobbyists that the Clinton camp disclosed to the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday revealed a number of Democratic Party lobbyists who have worked against regulations to curb climate change, advocated for offshore drilling, or sought government approval for natural gas exports.

Clinton, the former secretary of state, has called climate change the most “consequential, urgent, sweeping collection of challenges we face as a nation and a world” and says it would be a major focus of her administration if she wins the White House. But having so many supporters who have sold their services to fossil fuel companies may complicate her emphasis on pro-environment policies.

Scott Parven and Brian Pomper, lobbyists at Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld, have been registered to lobby for the Southern California-based oil giant Chevron since 2006, with contracts totaling more than $3 million. The two bundled Clinton contributions of $24,700 and $29,700, respectively. They have helped Chevron over the years resist efforts to eliminate oil and gas tax breaks and to impose regulations to reduce carbon emissions.

The two Clinton bundlers also were part of a much-criticized campaign by Chevron to manipulate Congress into inserting language into the Andean Trade Preferences Act that would require Ecuador to dismiss a longstanding lawsuit against the company for polluting the Amazon jungle. Democratic lawmakers pushed back against the campaign and the lawsuit is continuing.

One prominent lobbying topic embraced by Clinton bundlers is the expansion of liquefied natural gas exports and federal approval of new LNG terminals.

Ankit Desai, vice president for government relations at top LNG exporter Cheniere Energy, bundled $82,000 to the Clinton camp, with much of it coming from Cheniere Energy executives. Cheniere executives, including Desai, have donated $38,800 to Clinton’s campaign.

Ugh.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bundlers-fossil-fuel_55a8335ee4b04740a3df86c5

I worry that Hillary only cares about green energy from the "Create jerbs!" broken window fallacy instead of actually caring about climate change.
 
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