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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On
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Coriolanus
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That Cain=>Gingrich=>Santorum combo was all sorts of magical.
Was also quite interesting to see how even big conservative media would never hype Paul.
WayneMorse
Banned
He's "touring around Wisconsin" to talk to the people blah blah. He's running.
His numbers in New Hampshire are going to drop as the primary closes in, either Rand or Jeb is going to win that one. I can't see Walker winning Iowa and New Hampshire, especially the latter given a lot of his views. He can only sidestep the issues for so long before he has to say something.
RustyNails
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The petition is close to 200k signatures...wow. I didn't even expect it to overtake the Snowden petition which was the #1 most popular petition for a long time. Although completely useless in its goals, it does add to the widespread condemnation that's going on.
It's a way for people to condemn them for it, it's not gonna do anything but it's a good way to show how seriously people are taking it. I mean the guy behind the counter at my local pizza place was talking about it today, Chelsea was playing PSG today and this guy never not talks about the Champion's League. It was fucking surreal.
Let's take a moment to appreciate what an amazingly glorious of a choke-job this game was.
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thepotatoman
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God damn, I knew he was crazy, but man, this is really freaking crazy.
Lindsey Graham said:
I still can't believe such a choke-job actually happened. I mean, how do you even fuck up that badly? Zlatan got sent off and everything. They should have waltzed through that game.
He's giving me the vapors, and not in a good way.
Comedy gold.
Only Chelsea, only Chelsea...
To think they're at the top of the table in England, everyone else should just be embarrassed.
Ugh, as much as I love Jon Stewart, he does occasionally have this habit of bringing up false equivalencies. On yesterday's episode of TDS he compared what the Republicans did with that letter to Iran with Nancy Pelosi talking to the Syrian prime minister (or whatever the title is for their leader).
Goddamn it, Jon.
Goddamn it, Jon.
Who is poised to replace Bibi and are they really much different than him?
Good points, but would it not be tempting to those state GOPers to finally have a reason to prevent Hillary from winning the White House? Some probably would not mind less political ego if it meant that. Thus being the reason why they'd dilute their effectiveness.
Frank the Great
Banned
'Best League in the World' though lulz.
Avon Barksdale
Member
It would've never happened under Roberto Di Matteo.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I refuse to get my hopes up but yea, it seems like he could lose.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...c-in-likud-ranks-as-opposition-gains-momentum
doesn't that sound like something dems sent out in October 2012 though? We'll see.
eBay Huckster
Member
looking at polls from the past couple weeks it's looking like Likud's reliably anywhere from tied to 3% behind right now
so I dunno, Bibi might actually finally lose
so I dunno, Bibi might actually finally lose
NYCmetsfan
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Get used to seeing Hillary Gump references. They're coming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68qJN9MwDfY
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/575711350674030592
Aaron Strife
Banned
I've heard their internal polls show a wider gap. I hope he loses
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thepotatoman
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Hmm. I can't see it being a joke exactly, but I could simply call it a misuse of the word "literally". This is a prime example why "literally" should never be used metaphorically.
Jack Remington
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This is a really good analogy, actually.
Another example I thought of would be this. Instead of telling a bunch of low-income people with heart disease, cancer, etc, that I wish for them to die of their conditions, I could just very vocally support an outcome of a lawsuit that would result in some of those people dying of cancer, heart disease, etc. I'm not actually telling them directly that I'm okay with them dropping dead, but I am indirectly saying it.
Fenderputty
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NYCmetsfan
Banned
Or why people should not literally only use the dictionary definition and instead tell by the tone, and general usage in common parlance
Jack Remington
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You think Michael Cannon gives a crap if someone on chemo right now gets that treatment cut off if his lawsuit succeeds?
I've got no respect for that man at all. He showed himself to be completely dishonest about the suit when he switched his position from "It's a glitch, but we should go after it anyway" to "That was clearly Congress' intention all along."
Plus some of his columns in Forbes makes it quite clear he cares little about the suffering that could result from this lawsuit.
I'd be happy to link you to the relevant Michael Cannon op-eds if you'd like to see what I'm talking about here.
That would require them to believe that Hillary is a shoo-in for winning the White House in general and their states in particular.
It's their whole job to make that not be true!
Even outside of politics, people generally have a hard time making decisions on the basis that they are terrible at their job.
Fenderputty
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I think my sarcasm detector was broken.
RustyNails
Member
good. Bibi is cancerous.
ryutaro's mama
Member
Posted yet?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ted-cruz-meets-the-sound-silence?cid=sm_fb_maddow
Hilarious.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ted-cruz-meets-the-sound-silence?cid=sm_fb_maddow
Hilarious.
Good, at least we know normal people aren't likely to put up with his shit. Always fun to see what happens when these guys leave the bubble. Also,
That fucking killed me :lol
You know for a lot of people that would have been really difficult an they would have struggled. Cruz is just so robotic, it's kind of amazing. I realize watching that video that he has never actually engaged his audience in any fashion, just recite line, pause for applause, repeat.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
I agree. Jack's first day back and he's already trying to rekindle the King argument? Meanwhile, the rest of us have accepted an implicit truce, whereby I don't subject you all to endless torment and, in exchange, I am not forced to subject you all to endless torment.
Black Mamba
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Cruz will never be President. Not because of his politics or anything really substantial but because he is the living, breathing form of Droopy.
Every time I see him speak, I can only see Droopy speaking. He looks and sounds like him. And I'm sure that's in everyone's subconscious.
I know it's superficial, but voters are superficial, and I'm so unafraid of this clown becoming President compared to some others.
Cruz will never be President. Not because of his politics or anything really substantial but because he is the living, breathing form of Droopy.
Every time I see him speak, I can only see Droopy speaking. He looks and sounds like him. And I'm sure that's in everyone's subconscious.
I know it's superficial, but voters are superficial, and I'm so unafraid of this clown becoming President compared to some others.
Now I can't unhear it!
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Cruz will never be President. Not because of his politics or anything really substantial but because he is the living, breathing form of Droopy.
Every time I see him speak, I can only see Droopy speaking. He looks and sounds like him. And I'm sure that's in everyone's subconscious.
I know it's superficial, but voters are superficial, and I'm so unafraid of this clown becoming President compared to some others.
Droopy? Nah. He's whiny, sure, but I've never thought of Droopy while listening to him speak.
ryutaro's mama
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YES!
That is why it is so hilarious. He is talking at the audience not speaking to them. He would deliver the same speech, regardless of who was in the room and take the same applause breaks.
Jon Stewart kinda cemented that.
So do I, but Cruz has it in him too. Give him a couple of years and it'll be more pronounced.
Black Mamba
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Yeah, this one obviously works too. He just looks like the old man version. Cruz doesn't have the voice as low, but the mannerisms in tone to me.
regardless, he has the charisma of a plank. We all joked about Romney being a robot but he had 100000 times the charisma of Cruz.
The black guy became president.
They've been like this for as long as I can remember, and I just turned 27.
They've never been this crazy, unless you wanna dial it back to 1920-something.
You know it's bad when Republicans (who are still voting that way) are too embarrassed to identify as one when being polled and so they pollute the "Independent" stat.
It's complicated, but here goes -
The biggest party in the next election will most likely be the Zionist Union, they are for the most part the old labor party, and are center left - they support two state solution and generally promote a more progressive domestic agenda.
This party was formed when Labor joined (for no fucking good reason by the way) with Tzipi Livni and part of the deal was that if they form a government, the head of labor, Isaac Herzog and Tzipi Livni will do a 2 year rotation each as prime minister.
Isaac Herzog is just a terrible politician, like, his positions on the issues are okayish, I guess, you can't really expect too much from anyone who has any chance to win an election in Israel, but he's so bad at politics, and he's campaigning make me long for John Kerry.
Tzipi Livni is an awful spineless opportunist, but her opportunism put her on the right side of history, at least for now.
With all that being said, I'm really struggling to see how they'll be able to build a sustainable center-left coalition, you can see scenarios where it's mathematically possible, but it will require a whole lot of parties who pull in very different directions, most likely will exclude the real left wing of Israeli politics and might have to form a PM rotation with another party.
And even if they manage to do that it's hard to see how such coalition survives for too long, and it is very unlikely it will be able to do anything too meaningful in regards of the big structural problems Israel is facing.
Sadly, I think the two most likely scenarios are a center right Likud led coalition with Bibi as a PM, or a big unity coalition between the Likud and the Zionist Union (and a few more parties) which I think is going to be even worse for Israel long term.
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thepotatoman
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Almost 27 myself, and my understanding is thus:
Gingrich is basically the father of this current flavor of strong arm/no compromise politics, and abusing procedure to try to get his way anyway he can. Gingrich is also as far back as I can go in personal experience without resorting to history books.
Judicially, starting with the Bush v Gore case, this is about as actively far right as I think the supreme court has been since before FDR.
And I think Joseph McCarthy and Barry Goldwater both could be described like Rubio and Cruz in being crazy conservative republicans, and I'm sure other crazies were around that never made history books, so I'm guessing people like Cruz/Rubio showing up isn't that unique. Though you could say that Reagan made the whole party become Goldwater, and now Cruz/Rubio is going right of that, which would be new.
Ah, yes.
Livni was who I had in mind but I could not remember her name. She seems like the country's best shot even if she is, as you said, a shell. Has to be better than Bibi and I was hoping she'd be next.
Seems like there's no good outcome with Bibi always finding a way to stay in power. smdh Israel.
It will be interesting to see what the future of Israel will look like 10, 15, 20+ years from now.
Herzog is, she weaseled her way into a rotation agreement when she joined forces with labor, though polls showing she and that rotation agreement is actually hurting the zionist union in the poll.
Again, Herzog is TERRIBLE at politics.
Bad, worse, even worse, respectively.
And while getting that corrupt asshole and his disgusting wife kicked out of office would be an improvement, even a dream scenario of a left center government is unlikely to able to do the things needed to resolve the Israeli Palestinian clusterfuck.
The majority of the public in Israel is right wing leaning, Bibi is fucking terrible, people and politicians fucking hates him, this created a chance (not a big one, but a chance nonetheless) to get his useless ass kicked out of office, but I really don't see how it make it politically possible to evacuate settlements in the west bank any time soon.
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