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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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balladofwindfishes
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We need to go into 2020 assuming we are going to lose and nominate the absolute best candidate we possibly could. It will not be won "in a walk"
Let's not make the same mistakes we made in 2004. And 2016. We got complacent because Obama was such a great person and a great campaigner, that he was able to get over the issues this country has. And so we didn't really notice that maybe Democrats were slipping, and maybe the presidency isn't really a lock, it's just Obama.
Anyone but Trump.
Serious question, is there anything Trump could do to not have elections held in 2020? Like a martial law situation?
Good Job Bob
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Dude no one here is talking about winning Kentucky. It's the rust belt.
hipsterpants
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I just want to say, I think the loss of the Obama boogeyman is going to have unpredictable changes in how the electorate acts. When you consider the GOP's entire platform at every level of government has been "stop Obama" predicting what will happen when they don't have that anymore is difficult. These fuckers were given free reign thanks to this racist anger, but pretty soon it won't work and their policies will be exposed. When Trump not only does nothing to help rural voters but actually makes things worse for them, there won't be a single level of Democratic power they can blame for their problems. The Democrats have a massive opportunity to rebrand in the next 2-4 (hopefully 2) years. Seeing people's social media posts about perseverence and fighting back, along with the numerous protests (the one on inauguration day will be legendary) gives me a lot of hope, even though things are inevitably going to be awful for the future.
And as sad as it is, I do fully agree the Dems need to nominate a white dude for the next cycle, the division in this country won't be healed by a minority or a woman for the time being.
100% this
And as sad as it is, I do fully agree the Dems need to nominate a white dude for the next cycle, the division in this country won't be healed by a minority or a woman for the time being.
100% this
If Clinton couldn't win I don't think Bernie could've won either. And I'm also not entirely sold on the "if Biden ran we'd have won easily" argument because he does not have the reputation of being a great campaigner and he's just as much establishment as Hillary.
As others have said, we need someone like Obama who can re energize the democratic base. And while I'm not a huge fan of Mark Cuban or Kanye, if that's what needs to be done then so fucking be it.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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One other thing we could do is figure out how to get married white women to focus more on their gender.
Not sure how that would work though.
Not sure how that would work though.
balladofwindfishes
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No. Even the most conservative supreme court would throw that out.
As far as I know that's not possible and can't happen. Trump will run, and if he loses he'll say it's rigged.
I was!
We will never know, because any decent candidate got out of the way because it was Hillary's "turn".
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even get the nomination in 2020. He can't actually do the job, and that will be apparent soon enough. And no, it's not good enough to have pence playing shadow President.
Psychoward
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I saw a post that went on about how "the deplorables are taking their country back!"
I wanted to throw up
RustyNails
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I'm not optimistic about this. Trump will blame all the problems that he will create on democrats leaving a bad system behind and Obama ruining the healthcare with ACA. He's draining the swamp after all and it takes some time and effort.
clevbrowns94
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I don't disagree, it's just that no one here was really saying this when she won all three debates and consistently led in the polls for almost the entire race. With Kerry, he was mostly lagging in the polls and you had a sense that he would lose and was a terrible candidate before the election. Same with McCain and Romney on the other side. With Hillary, we didn't know she was terrible (though it was clear she had some big flaws) until it was too late.
balladofwindfishes
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I've thought about this a bit last night. I think he's in a position to only run one term. He's very old. I don't think he really wanted this job and the responsibilities it comes with. I think there's a non-zero chance he doesn't seek re-election. He won his prize. A second term is meaningless.
Cheesewheel
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Got linked to this on Reddit.
https://np.reddit.com/r/Indiana/comments/4u6qfr/why_is_mike_pence_disliked_in_indiana/d5ng4e0/
What a total piece of human trash this man is.
https://np.reddit.com/r/Indiana/comments/4u6qfr/why_is_mike_pence_disliked_in_indiana/d5ng4e0/
What a total piece of human trash this man is.
They better not give up on healthcare reform after the ACA is repealed
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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People stopped saying it after they were mobbed during the primaries for saying it then.
banefirelord
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Based on his dietary habits, age and appearance, I think there's a non-zero chance he doesn't make it to 2020.
Who the fuck cares. Systemic racism and social conservative laws throwing minorities and women into the 50s won't be beaten by the President alone. Sometimes I feel that we think there will be a battle on a hill where the champion of liberals will slay the last racist. Change needs to happen, but it also needs to be defended. You can't do this if you just care about the prestige price.
If black lives matter then every election matters. Not just the GE. Even the GE plus midterms is too little. Judges, state attorneys, mayors. Real change can be made for the people around you. Your state even your city can be a shield for the shit that will roll down the federal hill for the next 4 years.
It is even "easier" to change the Democratic Party. You think it's too much GOP light. Primary, you never had more of a lever because less people are doing it.
I think we all completely underestimated the surge of Trump voters in the midwest.
A week ago MI and WI were a given.
IggyChooChoo
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It's the same downscale white dynamic, though. Those voters are not moved by New Deal economic appeals -- see Feingold getting wrecked last night in Wisconsin despite being anti-nafta/TPP, pro single payer, etc. You have to appeal to their pride. Maaaaybe Biden could've done it. But not Bernie.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Some of us in here DID say this and were thrashed for it. Adam et al were quite rude when it came to anybody saying Clinton was a flawed candidate.
I so wanted to go Black Man > White Woman > Woman of Color train going ;_;
It would have been so historical. No its Black Man > Super Racist White Man
"Draining the Swamp" while putting all his Washington friends (who have been there forever) into positions of power. Guliani as the AG is a NIGHTMARE.
It would have been so historical. No its Black Man > Super Racist White Man
"Draining the Swamp" while putting all his Washington friends (who have been there forever) into positions of power. Guliani as the AG is a NIGHTMARE.
Yea an honest to god true change needs to happen. The time for extending olive branches is over.
Right now Dems and our famous faces really need to build a new coalition. Starting now they need to try and build local and state infrastructure in hopes to starting winning these things.
Go into 2020 expecting to lose unless some real fucked up shit happens.
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Ahh man, adam was banned!
EDIT: just was informed is was an self-requested?
EDIT: just was informed is was an self-requested?
RustyNails
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Krishnamoorthy (D) won Duckworth's congressional district. I'm happy at least Illinois did not went tits up.
Also, he is charismatic, young (relatively) and a good speaker. I'd keep an eye on him.
Also, he is charismatic, young (relatively) and a good speaker. I'd keep an eye on him.
I commute to NYC from NJ and literally every person I saw on the train today looked completely despondent just like I was.
Honestly kind of a relief to know it wasn't just me.
balladofwindfishes
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Booker would be a test to see whether being super establishment, but charismatic, is workable, or if any establishment at all, even if you're a rock star, is a death sentence.
I think it's the former and he would lose. We need an outsider like Obama. Or at least, someone who seems outsider. Hillary was running on 30 years of a proven record. It turns out that proven record might have actually been a negative.
Obama had just enough experience to come across as knowing what he's doing, while also being new enough and fresh enough to not seem like he was deep in the establishment.
He was the perfect candidate for the era he ruled in. We basically need Obama 2.0. A minority freshman senator with great orator abilities and no notable negative past.
I mean it's Trump so I think we're all expecting some real fucked up shit to happen
A recession is basically a given at this point
nature boy
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*Asked* to be banned, i.e., needed a break
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trump-clinton-electoral-college/506306/
Fantastic article (from BEFORE the vote) on how the Clinton campaign absolutely screwed up this election by not taking spending enough time/money in MI, WI, etc.
Fantastic article (from BEFORE the vote) on how the Clinton campaign absolutely screwed up this election by not taking spending enough time/money in MI, WI, etc.
Rebel Leader
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Self requested?
For those of you who were active and voted in the disappointments of 2000 and '04: how does this compare? For as long as I've been into politics, I've never really been on the losing side of a presidential election before ('04 was the first one I was into, and being a conservative teen at the time, I sided with Bush, which I'm still embarrassed about). I feel completely devastated today, but I don't know how much of that is just the unfamiliarity of losing like this or if it's rooted in the unique danger that Trump with a GOP-controlled government poses.
Same. I, somehow, fell asleep only at 4am...and was up at 6.
I feel like a total zombie. Not tired, but like walking in a dream. The world is an absolutely surreal place today.
Same. I, somehow, fell asleep only at 4am...and was up at 6.
I feel like a total zombie. Not tired, but like walking in a dream. The world is an absolutely surreal place today.
Exactly. He's free to come back if he chooses.
You left out the first one!
There won't be another woman candidate for president for a major party in our lifetimes.
I used to tell my daughter she could be anything she wanted.
Hopefully she was too young to remember.
Brawndo Addict
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Have to remember that Trump won the Republican primary first. Everyone there was selling the standard Republican economic message. So what was Trump selling in that that his opponents weren't?
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