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[kirblar]

Kamala is approximately as green as Obama was

Dem winners win young. She will run.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

They're already saying that the wall was "metaphorical", haha.

Are the exit polls in the OT thread legit? Did he really do comparatively well with minorities for a Republican? Was Latino Decisions as way off as every other pollster? Is everyone just pretty sure he was bullshitting about everything? I'm taking encouragement from the strangest places now. At this point I want to be wrong about absolutely fucking everything. That would be amazing.

 

[harriet the spy]

Ironically it kind of sucks for Paul Ryan, who could have propped himself as savior of the GOP in 2020.

 

[whyamihere]

Look, we're all going to be pointing fingers, but the only thing we can do is come back in 2020 and win this. He's not my president. He will never be my president.

But glad you guys talked about emails.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

If Bernie had gotten some of that white rage turned toward the rich and corporations, it's likely that would have benefited the downticket because human beings are follower creatures that mostly take their cues from the top.

That's an if, of course, but fuck, it's very apparent Clinton was the wrong fucking candidate on every level.

The argument from Socialists is: "Trump voters wanted their jobs back!"

But Feingold was that candidate for them and he lost by 2 points worse than Hillary.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It'd be a valley if clinton won while democrats lost the senate.

What we're looking at is a cliff, and a ton of progress is going to be actively undone.

A ton of progress was undone with Reagan. A ton of progress was undone with Bush.

We're better now than we were under them, so obviously it can and does bounce back. Obama made rapid progress in this country, on top of needing to clean up Bush's messes. Clinton made rapid progress in this country, on top of needing to clean up Reagan's messes. If he only gets 4 years, that's even less we have to clean up.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

All of those numbers are fairly close when you take away the big scary colors. There are just as many rich banker cunts who loved Hillary because she had their back.

Or, you know, people who make 6 figures and have a conscience. Don't fucking add to the class warfare fire.

 

[Plinko]

Oh, don't do this. It wasn't rigged.

Read Issac Overworld's and others posts in the OT thread about why democrats lost. There absolutely was a feeling of "She deserves this" and a coronation-type atmosphere around the primary.

 

[Brinbe]

I'm just depressed. Hatred won. And minorities aren't welcome.

 

[jmdajr]

They're already saying that the wall was "metaphorical", haha.

Who is they?

 

[Plinko]

Ironically it kind of sucks for Paul Ryan, who could have propped himself as savior of the GOP in 2020.

Cruz is worse. He legit thinks he's the next Reagan, who lost his first primary then came back and beat the incumbent. He's probably devastated.

 

[Spider from Mars]

I'm feeling my Bush era high school self coming up. Time to pull out the terrible punk music and get my political advocacy on! I'm nostalgic for Georgie Bush....fuck me.

 

[SenorArdilla]

Look, we're all going to be pointing fingers, but the only thing we can do is come back in 2020 and win this. He's not my president. He will never be my president.

But glad you guys talked about emails.

Please come back in 2018 and vote in the mid-term elections too.

 

[Doc Holliday]

Trump already doing good work! He managed to fix the rigged system just in time for the election.

Fml

 

[whyamihere]

Please come back in 2018 and vote in the mid-term elections too.

Obviously?

 

[metalslimer]

A ton of progress was undone with Reagan. A ton of progress was undone with Bush.

We're better now than we were under them, so obviously it can and does bounce back. Obama made rapid progress in this country, on top of needing to clean up Bush's messes. Clinton made rapid progress in this country, on top of needing to clean up Reagan's messes. If he only gets 4 years, that's even less we have to clean up.

The climate won't be able to be fixed.

 

[Y2Kev]

Read Issac Overworld's and others posts in the OT thread about why democrats lost. There absolutely was a feeling of "She deserves this" and a coronation-type atmosphere around the primary.

There's no question Clinton consolidated support early, had the support of party elites early, and raised big money early. That stuff is all part of the primary process and not some kind of pre-game riggery. But people still had to actually vote for her. Ask Jeb how that worked out.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

The argument from Socialists is: "Trump voters wanted their jobs back!"

But Feingold was that candidate for them and he lost by 2 points worse than Hillary.

Because they honed in on the racist message and stuck with that down the whole ticket. That there were, apparently, some Hillary voters dissatisfied with him for one reason or another doesn't mean that that Wisconsin voters might not have voted differently had they had a different message and a different rhetoric to glom onto. Again, this is all counterfactual, but given how badly Hillary failed, thinking how we might have counterfactually done better is the only logical thing to do because it gives a road map for the future.

 

[jmdajr]

I still remember the jovial days of the primary when Trump was going to destroy the GOP.

 

[banefirelord]

Real talk, is there any chance the DNC gets its shit together for the midterms?

 

[IggyChooChoo]

Ironically it kind of sucks for Paul Ryan, who could have propped himself as savior of the GOP in 2020.

Are you kidding? Ryan's going to be the Speaker who killed the New Deal. This is his dream.

 

[AniHawk]

Kamala is approximately as green as Obama was

she is also a woman and i think women seeking the presidency just got shut down for a generation.

 

[Paches]

What are the realistic probabilities of impeachment because of something he does during his 4 years?

 

[kadotsu]

At least Samantha Bee will now have a career that could eclipse Jon Stewart's. Make her show nightly. I need this.

 

[Maxim726X]

Far worse, Romney and Bush didn't run campaigns like the Trump did.

That's the scary part here- The Republicans just discovered how to win the white working class vote.

This isn't the last we see of Trump's tactics. It's just the beginning.

Real talk, is there any chance the DNC gets its shit together for the midterms?

How could you have any faith in this party right now? The best we can hope for is that Trump and Co. fuck up so badly in the next two years that the electorate jumps ship.

 

[bachikarn]

Are the exit polls in the OT thread legit? Did he really do comparatively well with minorities for a Republican? Was Latino Decisions as way off as every other pollster? Is everyone just pretty sure he was bullshitting about everything? I'm taking encouragement from the strangest places now. At this point I want to be wrong about absolutely fucking everything. That would be amazing.

Think there was a contingent of minorities that did not think either candidate was good and couldn't be bothered to vote.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Real talk, is there any chance the DNC gets its shit together for the midterms?

Depending on how bad we could win a massive wave in the house. D Senate unlikely. Mostly safe R seats

 

[jmdajr]

Real talk, is there any chance the DNC gets its shit together for the midterms?

This loss will demoralize people for awhile I think. I don't think Dems are fired up enough to fight back like the tea party did.

 

[Good Job Bob]

Who exactly bears the responsibility of giving the DNC the shake-up it needs?

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Look, we're all going to be pointing fingers, but the only thing we can do is come back in 2020 and win this. He's not my president. He will never be my president.

But glad you guys talked about emails.

Midterms are the test if we're serious about 2020. Democrats want to get serious? We need to overperform in 2018 even with the gerrymandering.

 

[LopezDeLaGuerra]

Hello, I've been lurking in this Community since the beginning of this election (before I even had an account.) I've gained alot insight on how all of this worked, was for Bernie up until the CA primaries and knew what needed to be done. I'm disappointed about this outcome just like everyone else, and I hope for a strong comeback in 2020. I want to thank you all so much for being informative and for doing all that you could for Hillary. I hope you all take care of yourselves and keep fighting the good fight. Until we meet again, cheers.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

What are the realistic probabilities of impeachment because of something he does during his 4 years?

With a Republican controlled senate?

 

[A Serious Man]

Who is they?

Trump's communications advisor on MSNBC a few segments ago.

 

[jmdajr]

At least Samantha Bee will now have a career that could eclipse Jon Stewart's. Make her show nightly. I need this.

No doubt Comedians won big. We are going to need to laugh.

A lot.

 

[eBay Huckster]

she is also a woman and i think women seeking the presidency just got shut down for a generation.

yep.

 

[metalslimer]

What are the realistic probabilities of impeachment because of something he does during his 4 years?

I'm just wondering what's happening to the Trump U case.

 

[AniHawk]

Depending on how bad we could win a massive wave in the house. D Senate unlikely. Mostly safe R seats

yeah 2012 was nice for dems because 2006 was great for dems. 2020 is the next chance at the senate.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

There's no question Clinton consolidated support early, had the support of party elites early, and raised big money early. That stuff is all part of the primary process and not some kind of pre-game riggery. But people still had to actually vote for her. Ask Jeb how that worked out.

Also she went into the 2008 primary in the exact same position, and lost, because Obama was better, and made a better case, and campaigned and organized better. It's like people forget how Obama became president.

 

[whyamihere]

Depending on how bad we could win a massive wave in the house. D Senate unlikely. Mostly safe R seats

At least Trump's favorables will be in the shitter.

 

[Maxim726X]

With a Republican controlled senate?

Do you think the Republicans want Trump in the Oval Office?

If he fucks up badly enough, they'll let the process run itself and put Pence in. That's what they want anyway.

 

[The Technomancer]

Because they honed in on the racist message and stuck with that down the whole ticket. That there were, apparently, some Hillary voters dissatisfied with him for one reason or another doesn't mean that that Wisconsin voters might not have voted differently had they had a different message and a different rhetoric to glom onto. Again, this is all counterfactual, but given how badly Hillary failed, thinking how we might have counterfactually done better is the only logical thing to do because it gives a road map for the future.

I am stunned Feingold lost that bad. I thought we loved him

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Who exactly bears the responsibility of giving the DNC the shake-up it needs?

Obama and Shumer.

Obama is in a unique spot where he's ultra popular and young that he could help establish a new DNC that can start winning more elections.

Do you think the Republicans want Trump in the Oval Office?

If he fucks up badly enough, they'll let the process run itself and put Pence in. That's what they want anyway.

If Trump gets impeached, it's taking Pence's re-election with it. He's tied to the administration.

 

[Frank the Great]

Republicans will now try to pass pseudo-immigration reform and infrastructure bills to take credit. You know, bills that are labeled as such but are really just border security and tax cuts.

That's the scary part here- The Republicans just discovered how to win the white working class vote.

This isn't the last we see of Trump's tactics. It's just the beginning.

Yup. All the talk radio hosts criticizing the GOP for nominating folks who are, in their view, boring moderates, were absolutely correct.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Do you think the Republicans want Trump in the Oval Office?

If he fucks up badly enough, they'll let the process run itself and put Pence in. That's what they want anyway.

So what I'm hearing is....

It's time for the super oppo drop.

 

[thefro]

This loss will demoralize people for awhile I think. I don't think Dems are fired up enough to fight back like the tea party did.

Eh, I think people are plenty mad enough.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Real talk, is there any chance the DNC gets its shit together for the midterms?

Maybe Obama has an immediate post-presidency project.

 

[Crocodile]

This morning is the first time I think I've appreciated my mortality. Climate Change is going to get worse but I assume I'll be dead before we have superstorms every other day or the coastal cities completely sink into the ocean. I say this as someone with no children though. If I ever have kids.........

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trump-clinton-electoral-college/506306/

Fantastic article (from BEFORE the vote) on how the Clinton campaign absolutely screwed up this election by not taking spending enough time/money in MI, WI, etc.

I mean everybody's numbers said those States were locks for like months. Internal campaign numbers are usually better but if those numbers said something similar, I can understand the plan. Polling just seems fucked overall this cycle. At least during the general. Florida still escapes me - everyone in the know seemed to think it was going to be close but a lock nonetheless.

For those of you who were active and voted in the disappointments of 2000 and '04: how does this compare? For as long as I've been into politics, I've never really been on the losing side of a presidential election before ('04 was the first one I was into, and being a conservative teen at the time, I sided with Bush, which I'm still embarrassed about). I feel completely devastated today, but I don't know how much of that is just the unfamiliarity of losing like this or if it's rooted in the unique danger that Trump with a GOP-controlled government poses.

Same. I, somehow, fell asleep only at 4am...and was up at 6.

I feel like a total zombie. Not tired, but like walking in a dream. The world is an absolutely surreal place today.

04 was the first election I was old enough to vote in. Bush wasn't nearly as bad as Trump so I didn't feel as bad then as I did now. Also the polling from what I recall wasn't saying that was a Kerry slam dunk for like months on end like what happened in this cycle.

You left out the first one!

There won't be another woman candidate for president for a major party in our lifetimes.

I used to tell my daughter she could be anything she wanted.

Hopefully she was too young to remember.

Ah yes, this is true and it FUCKING SUCKS. I always thought racism and sexism were equally bad in this country but maybe sexism is worse? Or was Obama just that good he could make up the deficit?

Also this is telling boys all over the country that they can be human garbage and still become president. This is an awful message for them too.

Read Issac Overworld's and others posts in the OT thread about why democrats lost. There absolutely was a feeling of "She deserves this" and a coronation-type atmosphere around the primary.

I voted for Clinton in the primaries because I thought she was the better candidate. I assume most primary voters did the same. If anyone else was strong enough and wanted to run, they would have beat her. Hilary was the favorite in 08 and Obama beat her. If Sanders was stronger, or at least better able to appeal to the Democratic primary voter base, he would have beat her regardless of what the DNC "wanted". There was no "rigging".

With a Republican controlled senate?

I mean if Trump gets convicted of rape or fraud or has his family running business with Russian ties or actually sues those accusers of his (oh my god I'm so scared for them) even they would have to do something right

 

[WillyFive]

Maybe Obama has an immediate post-presidency project.

Yes, it's called sleep.

 

[kirblar]

Also she went into the 2008 primary in the exact same position, and lost, because Obama was better, and made a better case, and campaigned and organized better. It's like people forget how Obama became president.

He was good at organizing for pres, awful downballot.

 

[banefirelord]

Trump's communications advisor on MSNBC a few segments ago.

This is the first thing I've smiled about all morning. I think my main (only?) source of political pleasure over the next few years is going to be Trump inevitably reneging on a ton of his campaign promises.