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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida

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Martin O'Malley was to the right of Hillary and there was just no appetite for him. That said, he performed about as well in 2016 as Biden did in 2008.

Hey, don't bad mouth Gov Sexpants. I had a massive....appetite for him. ;)

I meant someone with name recognition. Biden may have had enough weight to pull some establishment support. Martin wasn't ever going to do that, not against Hillary. A viable candidate to the right of Hillary would have softened some of her issue with the far left, I think.
 

NeoXChaos

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Kasie Hunt ‏@kasie 3m3 minutes ago
Sanders will campaign like a Brookynite in NY while Clinton will campaign like a senator, senior Clinton strategist tells reporters

Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti 2m2 minutes ago
"We do not envision a scenario where in New York he can dent our delegate lead significantly," says Benenson of Sanders.

Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti 7m7 minutes ago
This is significant: Sanders aides have said they plan to take over 6/7, Team Clinton now saying the math is impossible for him after 4/26

Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti 9m9 minutes ago
"After April 26 there simply is not enough real estate left for Senator Sanders" says Benenson. That's PA, MD, CT, RI, DE

Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti 10m10 minutes ago
Sanders needs to win 57% of remaining delegates, says Clinton's Benenson, adding he's only reached that in 2 primaries: VT and NH.

Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti 16m16 minutes ago
"She has won in 17 of the 21 states where more than 7% of eligible voters turn out" - chief Clinton strategist @benensonj

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Holmes

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Higher turnout favors Hillary confirmed.

Also what does "campaign like a Brooklynite" mean? I'm not familiar with NYC. Will he constantly remind people he was born there 75 years ago?
 

pigeon

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Well, not really news. Bernie says he'll win in California, because he has to say that. Hillary says he won't be able to by then, because she has to say that.

edit: Worth noting that "We don't see a situation where Bernie gains a lot of delegates in NY" is pretty meek compared to the last poll showing Clinton +48 with 6% undecided. Not sure I like that tentativeness.
 

B-Dubs

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Well, not really news. Bernie says he'll win in California, because he has to say that. Hillary says he won't be able to by then, because she has to say that.

edit: Worth noting that "We don't see a situation where Bernie gains a lot of delegates in NY" is pretty meek compared to the last poll showing Clinton +48 with 6% undecided. Not sure I like that tentativeness.

Gotta make sure people turn out. If everyone assumes he'll get killed people may not show up and that's no good.
 
Well, not really news. Bernie says he'll win in California, because he has to say that. Hillary says he won't be able to by then, because she has to say that.

edit: Worth noting that "We don't see a situation where Bernie gains a lot of delegates in NY" is pretty meek compared to the last poll showing Clinton +48 with 6% undecided. Not sure I like that tentativeness.

I can see it being true though to what Beneson said. There's around 600 delegates in the 19th and 26th most are in states that are favorably to her if she gets around 400 delegates most of which are from the 3 biggest states she would come out with around a 600 delegate lead and that also means she has enough total delegates to win the primary.
 

NeoXChaos

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I can see it being true though to what Beneson said. There's around 600 delegates in the 19th and 26th most are in states that are favorably to her if she gets around 400 delegates most of which are from the 3 biggest states she would come out with around a 600 delegate lead and that also means she has enough total delegates to win the primary.

she's not winning any of them with 66-70% of the vote to make her delegate lead greater than 500
 

Dan

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This response: "bernie fans think black people only get 3/5ths of a vote"

Daaaaamn.

Well, not really news. Bernie says he'll win in California, because he has to say that. Hillary says he won't be able to by then, because she has to say that.

edit: Worth noting that "We don't see a situation where Bernie gains a lot of delegates in NY" is pretty meek compared to the last poll showing Clinton +48 with 6% undecided. Not sure I like that tentativeness.
It's playing expectations. Being cocky about a specific race won't benefit her in any way. Make sure supporters aren't complacent and come out to vote, and don't enable a media narrative where potentially falling short of lofty stated goals somehow gives Bernie 'momentum'.
 

lednerg

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Don't know the original source. Found it on SA.
 
she's not winning any of them with 66-70% of the vote to make her delegate lead greater than 500

Maybe not the biggest states, but I'm positive she can win close to that in NY, but it probably be around the low 60s. She would have to do fairly well in the other states, it won't exactly be winning 400 delegates, but it'll be close to the number I would guess. I don't remember her current lead though. Anyway I figure that was Beneson was alluding at.
 

ampere

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Not sure how I'd feel about Biden running. He's probably the most moderate of the big names in the party so he'd do well, but at the same time he might not make the policy changes I want to see.

That cabinet list reads like a fake Smash Bros roster you'd find on gamefaqs

Hah. Apt comparison

I look forward to one running! Assuming they drop all the dumb anti-trade stuff.

And the "we should label GMOs" stance. I mean c'mon Bernie what the hell
 
Higher turnout favors Hillary confirmed.

Also what does "campaign like a Brooklynite" mean? I'm not familiar with NYC. Will he constantly remind people he was born there 75 years ago?

That's a fascinating stat to me because it says out loud that there is no for the people by the people revolution happening.
 
And the "we should label GMOs" stance. I mean c'mon Bernie what the hell

That plays well with the "every item of clothing I own is made out of hemp" hippy crowd. GMOs are driven by major corporations, so they immediately get associated with factory-farming and processed foods, and that doesn't jive with the "all local organic" types that are naturally drawn to Sanders. If it's something major corporations are doing to our food, it is automatically assumed to be bad, even if it has massive benefits for crop yields that are increasingly important as the global population rapidly increases. Liberals in the Pacific Northwest or the Atlantic Northeast don't really care about crop yields in the third world; they'll pay lip service, sure, but as long as they can drive their Prius and wear Birkenstocks, they'll happily adopt an entirely self-serving "all GMOs are evil for everyone everywhere" stance. Ivory tower willful ignorance is the bane of the left in this country.
 
Somebody posted a poll earlier with Clinton with a ten point lead in the Bay Area.

I'm not sure what area is going to be friendlier to Sanders than that! Like, where do you think he does better?

Yeah, I think Bernie will actually win SF county by a large margin, but the rest of the area will compensate for Clinton.

The mission district is one of the top areas for donations to Bernie's campaign from what I have heard (and the company with the most employees independently donating to him nationwide is Google).
 
You know on this forum I've seen a lot of talk about the prospect of Trump running 3rd party if he gets slighted at the RNC, and how that makes democrats giddy since it would almost guarantee Hillary the nomination.

But I haven't heard many people talk about the prospect of Bernie potentially doing the same. Is it possible? You can tell by reddit and in this forum that Bernie Supporters aren't yet warmed up to the idea of flipping to Hillary. They may in the end, but what if they want to go down swinging? What if Hillary doesn't get enough delegates ( not including super delegates ) but with her superdelegates has enough for the nomination. Could Bernie supporters be pissed off enough and feel cheated enough by superdelegates to urge Bernie to run as an independent in the socialist reform party ( or whatever 3rd party they choose ). I know that's a scary scenario for most of you which is why it probably hasn't been discussed on this forum, but I am wondering if this is a possibility considering people think Trump may run 3rd party, but no one talks about Sanders doing the same, even though Trump has signed paperwork stating he wouldn't run 3rd party and I'm sure Bernie has said something similar.....but that hasn't kept people from talking about Trump running 3rd party

edit: Oh I need to post this on the new thread
 

hawk2025

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Best part:

Here are the new Quinnipiac poll findings and how I interpret them:

CLINTON 46, TRUMP 40 in a November matchup, according to Quinnipaic.

But there's a plus-or-minus 2.6 percent margin of error. So the result could be...

CLINTON 43.4, TRUMP 42.6 — Clinton's low end against Trump's high end, within the poll’s margin of error.

Notice, it leaves just 0.8 percent between Clinton and Trump — such a slim lead, it’s all but meaningless this early in the general-election season.

The implication: Clinton and Trump are a virtual tossup. Flip a coin and we could be watching The Drumpf take office.


Holy shit, lol
 
I am ignorant about GMOs.

I thought they were "bad" because they were so much more effective (and identical, cloned, no variation), that farmer that refused to use GMOs would be put out of business because they couldn't compete.

Also didn't the GMO seed owners sue everyone that had crops that were from GMO seeds but not purchased directly?

(Please let me know if I am totally off base here.)

1) The most cloned produce is non-GMO bananas. Hands down.
2) Not one farmer ever has been sued for accidentally growing GMOs, ever.

So yeah, you are off base.
 
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