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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.

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I do feel bad for Paul Ryan, though. Champion of the poor. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

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I hate Ryan's Randian bullshit, but I respected that he seemed to take the 2012 post mortem to heart and reached out to minorities, repudiated some of his earlier BS about people not being personally responsible, and took on the most thankless job in politics (possibly at the expense of his own political ambitions) in order to try and create some unity in his fracturing party.

And then he pissed ALL of it away by getting on the Trump train because he foolishly thinks he can control probably the most volatile and unhinged candidate in U.S. history.

Edit: Also, while I respect that Cruz didn't endorse Trump, I still consider Trump the better option between the two of them, because with Trump, you can at least say that he's a liar and might just be taking Repubs for a ride on some of his craziness, whereas Cruz was definitely very passionate about being a libertarian theocrat.
 
I live there and I am thrilled that our state might actually be in play!

I was thinking that there are too many nutbar Maricopa County voters for Clinton to win, but hey, if Mormons stay home in the East Valley and the influx of technocrats moving into Chandler votes and if more Latino voters can be registered...
 

ampere

Member
If Baldasaro wasn't going to get fired after calling for Hillary's execution, then there's probably nothing he won't say
 
The ride never ends:

Paul Steinhauser ‏@steinhauserNH1
THIS JUST IN @Al_Baldasaro to @NH1News "Mr. Khan, you disgraced your son, who died as a hero. You used him as a political pawn." #nhpolitics

Rep Al Baldasaro
@Al_Baldasaro
Trump 2016 Veteran Advisor
Trump 2016 Veteran Advisor
Trump 2016 Veteran Advisor

Benghazi.
 

Ether_Snake

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There should be no more soubts that Trump doesn't care about the Republican party (duh).

It makes me think the Dems dodged a bullet by not having Bernie as the nominee. I can see Bernie doing similarly and picking fights with democrats who don't entirely agree with him. It would have been a real mess.
 
If a third-party can actually get like 10 seats in Congress, with at least one being a senator, I will be all for them being allowed on the big stage. Until they're able to do that these third-party runs are all vanity exercises.

This. Stop going for vanity moon shots and develop a presence downballot first.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
I need a recap of everything that happened since the polls came out this morning.

WHAT HAPPENED


(Also if I'm running a major news website I'm advocating for an interactive timeline of Trump's shenanigans starting with his announcement right up through to today's fucking mess)
 
Wtf, I woke up this morning and there's half a dozen new Trump-fuckery threads 0_o?!

Is he trying to drown out fuck-ups with even more fuck-ups?
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
I need a recap of everything that happened since the polls came out this morning.

WHAT HAPPENED


(Also if I'm running a major news website I'm advocating for an interactive timeline of Trump's shenanigans starting with his announcement right up through to today's fucking mess)

Trump got given a Purple Heart (replica) from a soldier, said "I always wanted one of these, much easier this way" (I paraphrase)

Trump actively refused to support McCain and Ryan in their primary runs

Trump was a dick to a baby
 
I need a recap of everything that happened since the polls came out this morning.

WHAT HAPPENED


(Also if I'm running a major news website I'm advocating for an interactive timeline of Trump's shenanigans starting with his announcement right up through to today's fucking mess)


Here's the quick recap:

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parrotful

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Lest we get lost in khantroversy and various other brushfires, let me just take a moment to point out how irresponsible Eric Trump's comments were with regards to sexual harassment.

He may have said it in a good way, that my sister is a strong lady and no one can dare screw with her. But it just came off so terribly misogynist and demeaning to women. He's saying no dude can harass Ivanka because she's strong. Well, the question women who have been victims of workplace abuse are asking themselves is, are they weak? Think about it. I hate using the term "victim-blaming" because its used so frequently for just about anything thereby saturating it's meaning, but Eric Trump is (inadvertently) victim blaming women who have been sexually harassed.

Agreed. I've been trying to find it (edit: not exactly the excerpt I saw, but The Guardian mentions it in their article) but there was a tweet floating around with an excerpt from Ivanka herself talking about the ways she dressed to avoid harassment (not that I'm saying that harassment has anything to do with what she was wearing, just that she clearly had experienced it and was doing whatever she could to mitigate it), which just goes to show that this sort of thing is so stigmatized and invisible that her family didn't even notice.
 

Captain Pants

Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
I wonder if the strategy is to wear everyone out. Get us so desensitized to the fuckery that only people on the left care about the dumb shit Trump says.
 

avaya

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I thought he went Peak Trump a few months ago....but it's just like what Maddow said last night. When you think he can't go lower he does.

When they go low we go high. Fucking HYPED for November. I just need it to be over.
 

Ether_Snake

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Notice how they don't let Ivanka do interviews? They know she would screw up Trump because she couldn't being herself to defend him on many topics, they would bring all the quotes they have of him that she couldn't defend, it would be a catastrophe for Trump. They'll only have Eric and Jr. do interviews.

Also, I'm thinking that Trump has no intention to come out of this as a loser. His statement that the election will be righed is the first sign of a way out. If he feels he has no shot, he'll do whatever he can to be kicked out of the race somehow, so he can then claim he didn't lose.
 

TheFatOne

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I wonder if the strategy is to wear everyone out. Get us so desensitized to the fuckery that only people on the left care about the dumb shit Trump says.

The problem with this strategy is the debates. He's going to have to defend all this shit one on one. He can choose to skip the debates, and blame it on bias/rigged system. The problem with that is that it gives the Clinton camp an angle to call him a coward for skipping the debates. Don't know how he would handle being painted as a coward.
 

Klocker

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I was thinking that there are too many nutbar Maricopa County voters for Clinton to win, but hey, if Mormons stay home in the East Valley and the influx of technocrats moving into Chandler votes and if more Latino voters can be registered...

Yes you described the perfect storm. Without the mormons being left out, we would definitely stay red but as you outlined, it's possible
 
Trump is going to drop the N-word at some point this cycle. I'm calling it.
He's going to drop the n word, then tell everyone he didn't say it. Tweet that he was joking. Kayleigh McEnieghan will come on CNN and bitch about why white people can't use the n-word and black people can. Trump will come on the next day and tell Andrew Cuomo that he is not politically correct and he did not say the n-word. He will tweet a picture of him eating watermelon in the afternoon and by night say he is not a racist, and his best friends are black. Jeffrey Lord reminds us that Democratic Party was the one that sanctioned slavery and kkk were democrats. By third day Trump will say he has no regrets.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
same guy who said Hillary should be shot and executed, soooo...this is actually a step up.

Same guy who supported a theory that Khan was a Muslim Brotherhood Agent, too. We live in a universe there there's no muzzle on this guy.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I can't wait for Game Change 2016. Can't. Fucking. Wait.
 

TheFatOne

Member
So beautiful seeing Ryan being exposed as the coward he is. He's put in the most awkward position right now. He can't come out against Trump because he needs his voters. So now he has to have his own words turned against him, and just take it. Couldn't happen to a better guy.
 

royalan

Member
So beautiful seeing Ryan being exposed as the coward he is. He's put in the most awkward position right now. He can't come out against Trump because he needs his voters. So now he has to have his own words turned against him, and just take it. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

Trump basically just endorsed his opponent. His voters are gone.
 
So beautiful seeing Ryan being exposed as the coward he is. He's put in the most awkward position right now. He can't come out against Trump because he needs his voters. So now he has to have his own words turned against him, and just take it. Couldn't happen to a better guy.
I'm not sure asking for Ryan's scalp is something we want. Apart from the immediate satisfaction, there is nothing to gain politically. Hillary will need Ryan to work out bills. Same with turtle face and McCain. They are all assholes, but somewhat reasonable assholes that probably understand that government cannot be shut down, and budgets need to be passed.
 
Notice how they don't let Ivanka do interviews? They know she would screw up Trump because she couldn't being herself to defend him on many topics, they would bring all the quotes they have of him that she couldn't defend, it would be a catastrophe for Trump. They'll only have Eric and Jr. do interviews.

Well she's on Fox (Greta) today, but yeah.
 
The Trump campaign did send out an URGENT PIVOT memo earlier today.

This is hilarious. Thank you for sharing.

Heck, the Edge news feed is hilarious right now. Top headlines:

"Trump refuses to support Ryan and McCain in Primaries"
"Calling Trump unfit, Obama urges GOP to Abandon him"
and my favorite
"Trump blasts rigged system and crying baby"

That last headline is so good. SO good.
 
I'm not sure asking for Ryan's scalp is something we want. Apart from the immediate satisfaction, there is nothing to gain politically. Hillary will need Ryan to work out bills. Same with turtle face and McCain. They are all assholes, but somewhat reasonable assholes that probably understand that government cannot be shut down, and budgets need to be passed.

Eh I won't be mourning Ryan one bit. He's the dude I thought would be the safest bet to be President out of the GOP stable, now he's stuck to the tire fire. If he can lose out on the freaking primary then, good deal.
 
STOP DIGGING:

John Harwood ‏@JohnJHarwood 4m4 minutes ago Manhattan, NY
Trump to Sinclair Broadcasting on criticizing Khans: "I said nice things about the son, but I was hit very hard. no I don’t regret anything"
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I like how the Urgent Pivot doesn't apply to Trump himself so its meaningless
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
There's zero way establishment GOP puts up with this for much longer. No way. Zero. While I do believe in 9th-dimensional chess (or baiting people into making mistakes) I don't believe Obama's statement today stops anyone from withdrawing support -- they're fucked either way.

Asked this in the OT thread but I'm quite serious - This comes down to either Trump dropping out or GOP establishment types widely and broadly withdrawing support. This election does not go off with Trump and the GOP together.

The question is: When?

5 minutes ago I was thinking the 1st of October. Now I'm thinking in the next couple weeks.
 
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