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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!

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Diablos

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A Link to the Past said:
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Nazgul_Hunter

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Ali Velshi just destroyed Apprentice Winner girl on economics. It was painful to watch and showed just how outclassed Trump is in surrogates. Ali had her down so bad, her last point was to ask if he thought Hillary and obama's path to socialism was the best solution.
 
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PantherLotus

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Will Jordan
@williamjordann
The 538 Nowcast now has Mississippi within 4pts, Texas within 3, Missouri within 0.5. What +10 nationally looks like pic.twitter.com/kREd89a0CV

9:58pm · 8 Aug 2016 · TweetDeck
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Nazgul_Hunter said:
Ali Velshi just destroyed Apprentice Winner girl on economics. It was painful to watch and showed just how outclassed Trump is in surrogates. Ali had her down so bad, her last point was to ask if he thought Hillary and obama's path to socialism was the best solution.
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I love how at the end of it Don Lemon gave the summary of their qualifications and it was so clear she had no right to even be on the same screen as Ali, let alone the same stage.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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On Chinese talk shows, Chinese people just say "political correctness" in English instead of translating it to Chinese.

This phrase seems so foreign as to not have an accurate translation in nations without many white people.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Now CNN going in on the rigged election shit, when did they find their balls? It's like they keep the pro-Trump guys around just to clown on them.
 
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Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Rebel Leader said:
I don't understand this fucking mindset.

The experts know better than you. Why? Because they are paid to be so.
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I think it's partly rooted in the anti-intellectual notion that "experts" are really slick talking tricksters using meaningless charts and statistics that are probably made up.

It's a defense against the discomfort of accepting counter-intuitive ideas and information that goes against your picture of reality. If it "feels" wrong due to your own biases, it must be wrong and no facts can prove otherwise.
 
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royalan

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B-Dubs said:
Now CNN going in on the rigged election shit, when did they find their balls? It's like they keep the pro-Trump guys around just to clown on them.
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This actually makes me really nervous. I have not been comfortable with the language used in this election.

"She's a criminal."
"Lock her up."
"GUILTY!"
"should be put in a firing line and shot for treason."
"Deal with the devil. She's the devil." (this was came from the right AND the left)
"She's a horrible, horrible person."
"We must not let Hillary Clinton get into the White House no matter what."

I know I'm not that old yet, but when has such strong, demonizing language been used in a presidential election? And by the prominent members of a party, and not just the erratic fringes of their base?

And now Republicans are planting the idea that the election will be rigged.

Like the guy on CNN just said, this is dangerous. And I'm increasingly nervous about what happens the day after the election. I'm nervous for Hillary's safety.
 
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OrangeGrayBlue

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Here's a fun little post that came across my fb feed. Anyone care to translate?

Its no wonder that Hillary Clinton's brand of disingenuous liberalism appeals to the white middle and upper class sensibilities within the American left. This brand of liberalism is contingent on popular culture. There are no actual values of egalitarianism within the democratic party and sadly most of the American left is more than willing to exist within a system that maintains the racialized patriarchal hegemony that exists within the collective consciousness of this epoch.

The democratic party and its so called liberal constituents are unable to support the interests of the planet and its people. They are the party of convenience and a dangerous individualism deceives its intellectual captives into the false consciousness of moral superiority. But in fact it is nothing more than elitism, ethnic snobbery in which the collective becomes nothing more than a mindless marionette daft of any empathetic capacity and unable partake in even the most basic of human relationships.
The only logical course of action in this scenario is too self medicate with as many commodities that capitalism offers.

This form of politics is racist, imperialist, misogynist, misandrist, homophobic, transphobic, cis-centric, sectarian, ethnocentric, ageist, speceist, chronocentric, anthropocentric, misanthropic, classist, classist, classist, politically regressive and dangerous!
This type of liberalism isn't a problem, it's the problem.
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royalan

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Samarecarm said:
oh, maybe not Romney himself, but there was no shortage of people calling Obama a crook, terrorist, etc.
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But that's exactly my point.

This language isn't just coming from some bottom-of-the-totem-pole loons. It's coming from the nominee himself! The Speaker. Prominent Republican congressmen and governors are spouting the shit and riling up their base to a rabid degree.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
royalan said:
This actually makes me really nervous. I have not been comfortable with the language used in this election.

"She's a criminal."
"Lock her up."
"GUILTY!"
"should be put in a firing line and shot for treason."
"Deal with the devil. She's the devil." (this was came from the right AND the left)
"She's a horrible, horrible person."
"We must not let Hillary Clinton get into the White House no matter what."

I know I'm not that old yet, but when has such strong, demonizing language been used in a presidential election? And by the prominent members of a party, and not just the erratic fringes of their base?

And now Republicans are planting the idea that the election will be rigged.

Like the guy on CNN just said, this is dangerous. And I'm increasingly nervous about what happens the day after the election. I'm nervous for Hillary's safety.
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If Obama wasn't so hated by that half of the nation I wouldn't be worried at all because he'd be able to cut through that shit at the end of it all. I won't say that shit doesn't give me pause, because it does, but for right now I'm more worried about winning.

Balphon said:
"I own a thesaurus."
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That's about right.
 
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Vahagn

Member
royalan said:
But that's exactly my point.

This language isn't just coming from some bottom-of-the-totem-pole loons. It's coming from the nominee himself! The Speaker. Prominent Republican congressmen and governors are spouting the shit and riling up their base to a rabid degree.
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President Obama put Trump in a line with Fascists and Jihadists. But, he deserved it.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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That language isn't very complicated, it's just Marxist language that no one other than Marxists use.

This guy is more extreme than most Socialists I've seen though and seems to have some hatred of personal freedom and liberalism as an idea and seems more supportive of actual Communist states instead of idealized Communist states that have forms of freedom.
 
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PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
royalan said:
This actually makes me really nervous. I have not been comfortable with the language used in this election.

"She's a criminal."
"Lock her up."
"GUILTY!"
"should be put in a firing line and shot for treason."
"Deal with the devil. She's the devil." (this was came from the right AND the left)
"She's a horrible, horrible person."
"We must not let Hillary Clinton get into the White House no matter what."

I know I'm not that old yet, but when has such strong, demonizing language been used in a presidential election? And by the prominent members of a party, and not just the erratic fringes of their base?

And now Republicans are planting the idea that the election will be rigged.

Like the guy on CNN just said, this is dangerous. And I'm increasingly nervous about what happens the day after the election. I'm nervous for Hillary's safety.
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History, my friend. Go visit the Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield, or the 6th Floor Museum (Kennedy) in Dallas.

... not sure that should make anyone feel better.
 
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OrangeGrayBlue

Member
Abinash117 said:
The Democrats only appeal to white middle class and upper class, and that they elitist or some shit. They don't care about anything and are anti-anything, I guess.

I guess some person from Tumblr ?
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Nah, a Facebook friend. Was a fairly even keel Bernie supporter, then Bernie lost and his ability to do anything but post overly loquacious tirades against "liberalism" dwindled.

Someone said it a few days ago, but it really is amazing how Bernie won over America's far left without being a lunatic.
 
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brainchild

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OrangeGrayBlue said:
Nah, a Facebook friend. Was a fairly even keel Bernie supporter, then Bernie lost and his ability to do anything but post overly loquacious tirades against "liberalism" dwindled.

Someone said it a few days ago, but it really is amazing how Bernie won over America's far left without being a lunatic.
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I honestly hadn't realized that that's what happened until it was too late :(

However, those on the true far left never gave Bernie a second glance, so I'm not sure that's much of an accomplishment. The far left he won over went about as far left as Kshama Sawant, who's a little further left than Jill Stein.

I'm actually impressed by how intelligent Kshama is for someone is so utterly unreasonable.
 
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Spoiled Milk

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Just DEMOLISHED Hillary Clinton in the smack-talk thread so hard that she's basically going to have to drop out now.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=212944995&postcount=749

Kristoffer said:
I read all 15 pages of this thread and the supposed "smack-talk" free for all that should have happened looks more like petty drive by kvetching. So here's my attempt.

Act 1: Power at all costs
or
She's basically Lady Macbeth and ruins everything

- She messed up healthcare reform. Fifteen long, painful years before there was a black liberal messiah by the name of Barrack Obama, Hillary Clinton was the first unelected public figure to try to dramatically change the country with legislation. "HillaryCare" was a resounding failure both politically but also intellectually. The reason why the healthcare industry was so entrenched against its passage was because it was extraordinarily out of touch with the healthcare industry as it truly existed. There were significant other problems with it: it was developed in secret and without the healthcare industry's involvement, it was far more revolutionary than the Affordable Care Act, and it would have angered many Americans who were already satisfied with their coverage. Most importantly, it was being written by the first lady - a tremendously inappropriate action given that Hillary Clinton neither had the qualifications nor the electoral mandate to be the deliverer of healthcare reform. It doesn't matter that normally, presidents let political appointees or policy centers design their initiatives anyway; this was a very brazen, very public action designed specifically to give a notch in Hillary's career. Such projects belong to the vice president, not the first lady.

If the vice president, who had been a senator, had designed the policy from the eyes of a politician, the bill may not have died before it even hit the floor of a Democratic congress. The bill might have been designed more in the open. And we might have been heralding the Clinton's tremendous 1993 Health Security Act to this very day.

- Her senate race cost Al Gore the election.
Yeah. It did. Here's Politico with the hot take:



The 2000 Presidential Election famously came down to a few contested counties in Florida, resulting in a red meat Supreme Court stealing the election for George "Born with a silver foot in his mouth" Bush. This was about as close to a 50-50 split election as you could get, so every ounce of energy mattered. One does not need an imaginative mind to conjecture what less of a Clinton presence might have done for Gore in Florida. So the next time someone complains about the Iraq War, the Bush year recessions, tearing up the Kyoto Protocol, Katrina, Lawyergate, or pretty much any one of the other million evil deeds that Bush committed, you know exactly who to blame. But at least she became the junior senator for New York.

Act 2: No trust, no vote
or
There is a strong likelihood she is actually a robot

- She pretty much never admits when she's wrong. One of her principle problems with the "email" debacle was that she took a long time to actually come out and say that the setup she had was inappropriate for a cabinet member and public official. In terms of building relationships with the public when you're on trial for your trustworthiness, responding to "Did you wipe the server?" with "What, like, with a cloth?", despite being objectively hilarious, is actually a horrible way to do that. Compare that to Tim Novokaine (because he's there to dull the pain) immediately jumping on the "short circuit" news recently and being completely prostrate in his apology to the American people... on Clinton's behalf! If Clinton does not actually seem authentic in any apology she makes, it's because probably never is. I mean, she doesn't really need to apologize for having, uh, an email server, but a key tool in every abjectly psychotic politician's toolbox is the ability to feign emotions. Clinton's really bad in this department.

That's just one example of mental obstinance to human regret in her long life of public service. Another recent example was her infamous interview with Terry Gross about whether she switched her opinion on gay marriage. See, the right answer here is "yes." She did. And that's not bad. So just, you know, say it. Spin it. I don't know. Even Terry tries to throw her a significant bone here. Why? Because Terry loves Hillary Clinton. Most women in the world do. I love Hillary Clinton, for Christ's sake, so when you're a role model for little girls everywhere for the love of God, don't lie in the age of the internet.

- Lol, sniper fire. I don't even need to elaborate on this one. It's indefensible. Ya blew it, Hill.

- The reason I can speak so confidently that I don't believe Hillary Clinton a lot of the time is because we know what she looks like when she's believable. On March 13th she participated in a town hall hosted by CNN where a man asked her if she supports the death penalty. This man had been improperly convicted of murder and spent 39 years in prison. The way she responds is legitimately amazing, but I want to point out the clear signs that she's engaging with the individual asking the question, as well as speaking authentically.
1) She admits the question is "profoundly hard".
2) She uses very harsh language against state attorneys because she feels personally about this! She was a criminal defense lawyer for many years and purposefully took hard cases because she believes that criminals have rights.
3) The way her voice wavers and modulates when she tells the man that what happened to him is a travesty is a clear sign that she sympathizes with him greatly.
4) She explains that she still supports the death penalty but is practically apologizing for it the whole time.

So compare that with pretty much any time she apologizes for the Iraq War.

- TPP is her baby. This trade deal is going to unify a whopping 40% of the world's economy under a single free trade zone, help us enforce intellectual property disagreements all around the pacific rim, and usher in a golden age of Asian pivoting (which is not a Japanese sex move, sorry). So no, she's never going to nix the trade deal she carried her butt around all of the Pacific fighting for. Not when she's a corporatist, business friendly neoliberal.

"Kris, you're definitely wrong on this one. She keeps saying that she's against TPP!"

No, what she's been saying is that she does not support the TPP in its current form. What that means in politicalese is that she wants a couple of provisions changed, some more pork here, less regulations there, and then she's going to sign that sucker in her first 100 days of office if Obama doesn't fast track the shit out of it. Either that, or she's just lying to everyone to get their votes because something like 60% of Democrats are against TPP (even though a large majority of Dems support "free trade" - public opinion is a bitch).

So what that means is that Clinton doesn't "not" support TPP for quite the same reasons most people do, e.g. the usual arguments about "fair" trade, labor, environmentalism, and all that. And if she really isn't against it, she should be much, much more open about it. After all, Obama is.

Act 3: She's a devout worshiper of American imperial military adventurism
or
An eternal war for an eternal peace

- She voted for the Iraq War and it probably had nothing to do with the false evidence. Do you guys remember when Bill Clinton and Madeleine Albright bombed the shit out of Saddam Hussein in 1999 to degrade and disgrace him? And how Saddam had been a thorn in the US' side for at least 10 years prior to that point? Well that's where our story starts, not with George Bush fabricating meetings in Africa and firing Generals. Bill Clinton famously told W. before the latter took office that the former's only regrets were not killing Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Georgie took those words pretty seriously and, from Day 1, tried to figure out how to kill Saddam Hussein. But this isn't a post about George; this is about Hillary. As recently as March of 2002, Hillary had been discussing the mounting invasion against Iraq with colleagues and military officials. Being, you know, Bill's wife, and personally invested in his presidency, Hillary was probably also just as set on killing Saddam Hussein as the 42nd and 43rd presidents were. So it comes as no surprise that, when the time finally comes, she votes with 29 out of 50 of her other colleagues for the invasion. It also comes as no surprise that, despite her being a policy wonk, and obsessed with every detail of war, she never read the long-form briefing of the evidence provided to Congress for the war (no senator did, in fact). No, there is no doubt that Hillary Clinton was itching for an invasion in the fertile crescent.

- She's the one responsible for all of those child refugees in Central America. That coup in Honduras back in 2009? That was her. Or, rather, she is totally complicit, even if she didn't provide material support for it. In that link she describes her decision to not call it a coup because refusing foreign aid to the country would have killed children, or something. That kind of ignores that tons of children were dying and it got so bad that they fled to the United States, where she started refusing asylum for them. Oops.

Behind the scenes, Washington officials in smoke filled rooms actually supported the aim of removing the president for a variety of reasons, so it was politically convenient to just ignore this particular coup. Thanks, Monroe Doctrine.

- She's the antithesis to Obama in every way, militarily. The New York times, as usual, has one or two nifty pieces on it. When Obama pulls, Hillary pushes. She wanted the no-fly zone in Syria; he never did it. She wanted him to fight for those 20k residual troops in Iraq; he balked. She wanted more troops in Afghanistan; he initially didn't, and had to relent because of increased violence. He uses drones; she wants special ops invasions. The list goes on. The takeaway here is that if you were even the slightest bit starry eyed by hope and change in 2008 and thought that America would be freeing itself from decades of the military industrial complex running our show then know that Hillary probably has a model "red button" she caresses at night.

- She will definitely never cut defense spending. For some reason the liberal voices of yore have recently died down. It used to be common to hear some pundit parasite on CNN proclaim that, if we could spend a trillion and a half on our defense spending, why couldn't we have free college? Well, that's actually a good question, but I don't really hear it anymore, and that might have something to do with the fact that the Democratic candidate is a hawk (is this an anti-strawman?). If there's one thing that's most cruel about all of the Benghazi Bullshit, it's that it has obscured probably the most fundamental part of Hillary Clinton's entire political focus, which is that she is obsessed with our military and its use. The military respects her. She drinks with generals. She tried to join the marines when she was 27. She chose to be on the armed services committee despite being offered a more prestigious chair on the foreign relations committee. She's taken maybe a million trips to Afghanistan and Iraq. Etc. So if a budget from a Democratic supermajority socialist Congress ever landed on her presidential desk and it slashed even 20% of our bloated bomb expenditures, she'd put it in the shredder and ask for more taxes instead. Believe me.

That's like all the stuff off the top of my head. If you're the kind of person that froths at the mouth over the sound of her name, you probably have a million more reasons, but this post by itself is, like, definitely bulletproof,
so suck it
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