StopMakingSense
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Indeed. If we're gonna have purity tests, #1 with a bullet right here.
Food racists.
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Indeed. If we're gonna have purity tests, #1 with a bullet right here.
Food racists.
I'll enjoy my food without having to spend an extra $2 on a worthless condiment.
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A Serious Man
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Today has been really disheartening and to top it off we have motherfuckers in here waging a war on Mexican food. Nothing is sacred, god is dead.
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Shame it was such a poor system they switched to, though. It's not really a significant move forward on FPTP.
whyamihere
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Why are we fighting about Mexican food when TRUMP IS PRESIDENT. Liberals MUST come together!
Box of Kittens
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THIS IS WHY WE LOSE!
It's better than what they had. What they had is the only reason LePage kept winning. If they had ranked choice voting either of the last two elections he never would have made it in.
EDIT: I get a pretty good laugh out of the Dems in Maine wanting Steven King to try running.
Put a wall up around Taco Bell. We must preserve the sanctity of American fast food, such as Arby's.
This is the future socialists want.
Veritigo_X
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We can't just let these differences fester. Have we learned nothing from 2016? The left will come out stronger once Bonen realizes how wrong he is.
Bonen no Max'd
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I mean, nothing will beat list PR but I don't know what's wrong with ranked choice compared to FPTP?
Mexican food being terrible is why liberals are out of touch with Middle America and why Trump won.
whyamihere
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Especially in Maine which <3s 3rd party candidates.
Exactly. This is going to work out great for Maine because it won't punish the people of the state for loving third-party candidates as much as they do. The Dems and left-leaning independents up there must be jumping for joy. So long as they don't hit each other too hard they can keep the GOP out of the seat.
balladofwindfishes
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Most of the Mexican food we eat isn't even Mexican, it's Texan.
I vastly prefer Ranked Choice to a parliamentary style system w/ a rainbow of parties.
Joe Shlabotnik
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To each according to his beans
Box of Kittens
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Based on my experience, Middle America loves Mexican food. Chinese food too. We must use this to drive a wedge between Trump and the heartland.
whyamihere
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A rainbow of parties is probably the best way to go!
IggyChooChoo
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SURPRISE -- THAT DEAD, INVERTED FASCIST ASSHOLE WAS NAMED AFTER A MEXICAN!!I'm just trying to establish the superiority of my ethnic group's food over inferior people's.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Juárez
Ignatz Mouse
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I gave up trying to read all of the Obama Paid Speech stuff.
I saw he was criticized for taking the money, and if donating, not publicizing it. I also thought the deal wasn't final yet? Is he supposed to put out a press release about what he is going to do in the future?
And people gave Clinton grief for her paid speeches when she donated far more to charity than she ever earned doing them. People have no perspective. People are tribal and want class warfare.
I realize this looks bad to a lot of the populace. And it looks really, really bad to me that so much of the populace has a problem with this. It's no wonder Democrats can't win elections.
I saw he was criticized for taking the money, and if donating, not publicizing it. I also thought the deal wasn't final yet? Is he supposed to put out a press release about what he is going to do in the future?
And people gave Clinton grief for her paid speeches when she donated far more to charity than she ever earned doing them. People have no perspective. People are tribal and want class warfare.
I realize this looks bad to a lot of the populace. And it looks really, really bad to me that so much of the populace has a problem with this. It's no wonder Democrats can't win elections.
About 12 more or so, which shouldn't be too hard to get. I think the GOP has about 238 seats, they need 217 for a majority. Ten defections puts them at 228, so about 12 more and it's dead.
balladofwindfishes
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20 something total, so like 10 mote. Which means the thing is dead, since congress generally votes in groups anyway since there's so many.
But really, we probably need 0, because the Democrats can filibuster it this time. Unless they can manage to pass it in 2 and a half days (and also prove it doesn't add to the deficit in 10 years), which they can't.
Bonen no Max'd
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Oh, Chinese food (or at least whatever I've eaten that is called Chinese food) is great and we should be very welcoming of these kinds of foods that work hard to help America prosper.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"Chinese food" has very little in common with Chinese food.
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And real Chinese food is fucking amazing
Thanks guys, I just want to see this fail again. I know it probably won't pass the senate anyway but I'd rather it just die in the house.
balladofwindfishes
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I like vaguely Indian inspired Scottish food.
Also if you want a nice little history of "Chinese" food, there's a fun documentary on Netflix about General Tso chicken and the rise of Chinese-American food.
Also if you want a nice little history of "Chinese" food, there's a fun documentary on Netflix about General Tso chicken and the rise of Chinese-American food.
I see this as catering to the whims of people who want to treat politics like they're customizing a 3DS.
I don't think you should think of it that way.
Traditionally Chinese food was divided up according to region (Sichuan, Guangdong, etc.), so I think the best way to think of American Chinese food is that it's another style brought about by the immigrants who moved here and developed their own Chinese food. It's no less Chinese than the various Chinese foods floating around China.
They can still use reconciliation after this week.
A little over 20, but I don't think the Tuesday Group, which is about 50 members, are on board. MacArthur was flying solo in his negotiations with the HFC and wasn't consulting with his caucus while hammering out the new amendment.
balladofwindfishes
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Thought it had to be part of the budget?
Bonen no Max'd
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It's a shame that other countries get this:
while the best we can have is this:
though even though PR means accurate representation I do like looking at colored maps of districts because I'm a huge nerd
Box of Kittens
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Liking those sorts of maps is like the only argument I can cope up with keeping the Electoral College. That and I guess the related part of how it makes election night unfold.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Hmm, this is a good point.
And Chinese food does vary a huge amount region to region. I eat a lot of food common to Jilin because my girlfriend is from Jilin, but I'm not sure someone from south China would have a similar cuisine at all.
Uh, yes? That is a thing that people do constantly and routinely?
So, I mean, then she should've sent the money from the speeches directly to the charities and avoided the entire issue.
This is a weird argument to me because "they could easily just do this thing that would make it clear that there's no ethical conflict, they're just choosing not to" doesn't really make the situation better!
To be honest, I doubt most of the populace cares at all. Everybody is probably in favor of Obama getting paid.
I'm not pretending that there's a huge secret majority of Bernistas for whom this is a key vote issue. I just personally think Obama should do better because ethics are important.
Pandora012
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Both are good. Though it's sometimes hard to find good American Chinese food.
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I think the main value in democracy as we currently have it is the deliberative aspect. The voting is (almost) unimportant - if all we were concerned about in democracy is what people thought, we could just replace all politicians with opinion polls that required mandatory participation and were publicly funded to ensure sufficiently accurate margins. We don't do that because politics has a more important role before you even get to voting - the actual political bit, where someone has to stand up, explain their values, and try and get you to support those values, or persuade you of those values, or justify those values. That's what it means to be human, what differentiates us from cattle - the making of those kinds of decisions, that moral reasoning process. Voting just concludes that process.
Accordingly, democracy is good to the extent that it cultivates that aspect of us. Better democracies are the ones in which people have every incentive to make genuine moral arguments on the basis of deeply-held beliefs, rather than ones in which morality comes pre-packaged and voters are treated like consumers, where politicians attempt to avoid argument and are unwilling to engage in the moral persuasive process, all because the voting process dictates it would be impractical to do otherwise. And under that principle, AV is a rather bad voting system.
Dimensional models are a very clumsy way of looking at these things, but they can tell us some half-truths - FPTP has a stable equilibrium for even-numbered party systems where there are two parties at every n/2th point and no stable equilibrium for odd-numbered party systems, hence it tends to collapse to two centrist parties. If you look at AV, the stable equilibrium, no matter how many parties you have, is all parties coalesce at the centre - in that respect, it's no different to FPTP.
You get a few more options to choose from than FPTP, but the result of that is that politics is fought on issues of who is best to deliver the exact same policy - your debates aren't about principles, they're about bureaucracy. This is an improvement on FPTP, because being able to choose between four near-identical parties and two near-identical parties probably still has better outcomes, but it's not really a significant step forward.
Too many parties creates paralysis, a la Israel, where Netanyahu's majority is predicated upon a tiny party with only a handful of MK's staying loyal to the coalition.
A 5% threshold for representation might be good for parliaments in general, that way you don't end up with single-member caucuses in your assembly.
Same time, forcing to rely on coalitions means that the different factions have more power as explicit parties, meaning more diversity of thought. If the Freedom Caucus was the Freedom Party and having to negotiate with the GOP, lest the coalition collapse, there'd be more room for give and take because there's no pressure for all Republicans to vote for something they don't like just for the sake of party unity, since the party is smaller and more united.
CrimzonSamurai
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I'm just trying to establish the superiority of my ethnic group's food over inferior people's.
Funnily enough he had this whole thing where he wanted Italians to stop eating pasta and start eating rice because he thought pasta made them lethargic.
The futurists were big on it.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Box of Kittens
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Confirmed: Crab is Gerald Ford.
Fenderputty
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They're incredibly nutritious and are loaded with omega three and fiber. They're also delicious.
Wtf is going on I here?
BlastProcessing
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I'm not sure I am acting like they are godlike svengalis, but they have constantly kicked our asses for a decade in State Legislatures, Governorships, and Congress. The reason losing the Presidency hurt so much was because the last thing we had.
The GOP is dominating the debate. They are the ones framing things. Trump can tweet a lie that Obama wiretapped him and over half of republicans immediately say it happened. So I am going to push back against the idea that we can just stand back and do nothing and wait for the GOP to mess up. That's not going to happen. What we get back is what we take back.
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