It used to be easy to ignore and laugh at nazi sympathizers. Now, they are part of our government, making our laws, and won't be going anywhere in the next four years unless something happens.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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It used to be easy to ignore and laugh at nazi sympathizers. Now, they are part of our government, making our laws, and won't be going anywhere in the next four years unless something happens.
AntraxSuicide
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Also, that particular character trait of obsessing over loyalty is what got Christie in such hot water in New Jersey. Do we really think Trump won't abuse his power to get even against some of the people?
I don't see how Biden appeals to cities at all. The guy was on Obama's ticket to help his rural outreach, and while Joe might improve our performance in rural MI, PA, or WI, I don't see how the turnout in their metro areas would match Clinton's.
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Biden appeals to everybody. Young people love him pretty much universally. To conservatives he's an old school politician who they're comfortable with. My conservative family, every single one of which was unwilling to vote for either Trump or Clinton, would all have voted for Biden.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I don't see how Biden appeals to cities any less than Hillary did.
Veritigo_X
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I think he's gotten a tiny bit more exposure since 2008. But maybe Biden memes were just a rural thing. I don't know.
AntraxSuicide
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It's not about exposure, and it's definitely not about him being white. The guy just never had to build black outreach, urban outreach, or cater anything to voters that weren't rural. He would tear up the Iowa caucus, but he'd end up like Bernie in the southern states for sure. I can think of at least 5 other people who would do better than him in those groups.
RastaMentality
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Black people love and adore Biden. I'm not sure why. but they definitely do.
Joe Shlabotnik
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It's been quite a year and a half and all but Biden was polling at like 10% vs Hillary and Bernie before he officially put the kibosh on a run in late 2015.
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Crusty old white man willing to break with type and not only work under young black upstart but respect him as a senior and form a close friendship with him? Relationships like Biden-Obama are rare on a stage as visible and high profile as theirs is.
br0ken_shad0w
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It does change the dynamics somewhat had Biden ran. Clinton would have been forced to change her strategy since she simply can't name drop Obama and the previous administration. Though I still think Clinton would have won the primary. Biden vs Trump? Biden still wins (no offense to Clinton).
AntraxSuicide
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Contrary to most thoughts these days, black people really liked Bernie Sanders too, but they didn't vote for him, and likely would've had worse turnout for him than they did Clinton. It's not like we're going to see a Republican get more than a tenth of the black vote, but turnout should be the main goal in 2020. If we're so freaked out by the Rust Belt that we're going for a rural white guy, Sherrod Brown is a much better choice. He's got exactly the same appeal as Biden, plus the appeal to metro areas in Ohio that can help him reach out in other states.
balladofwindfishes
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Biden would have said something stupid like he always does when campaigning and lose and Hillary would still be the candidate.
His issues from every other time he ran aren't magically going to go away
His issues from every other time he ran aren't magically going to go away
Macho Madness
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The solution isn't running a white guy, black guy, hispanic woman or whatever it's about why your ideas are better and not running a personality war
who frickin knows anyway the 2020 election could be a referendum on the chinese and iran wars
yup and to reiterate if he jumped in the primary against Hillary he would have lost. He is also a ran again and as kirblar likes to point out "do not run retreads again" even though he would be a siting VP like Gore who was also ran once before.
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Sanders would probably be the candidate, actually. Biden's votes went almost exclusively towards Clinton when he confirmed he wasn't running; if he had made a sustained effort he would have split Clinton's vote.
He was more popular than Hillary and his looser approach would have helped vs Trump. But the whole thing would have been a mess and I have no idea what the outcome would have been for the primary itself.
It's not a solution, but running a non-white candidate has some significant benefits in the form of that candidate needing to spend less time to "prove themselves" by talking explicitly about minority issues (which causes a number of white people to freak out.)
Macho Madness
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run a candidate that talks like people talk and not like theyr'e constantly reading a script just a thought idk
Bonen no Max'd
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do you listen to Chapo?
Poodlestrike
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It is way too goddamn early to start seriously talking about 2020. Even setting aside the fact that we need to be focused on the special elections and midterms, we have no idea what the political landscape is going to be by then. We're already seeing anti-Trump backlash in the Netherlands, could be that in 4 years protectionist populism will be entirely out and people will be craving a stabilizing and rehearsed presence. There's too many unknowns right now.
Macho Madness
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sometimes. depends on my mood and the guest.
Bonen no Max'd
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You just made me think of the Hillary impression and I lol'd
Macho Madness
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It popped in my head too. It's all I can think about when I hear her talk now.
Retromelon
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The first trump supporter to not say "but the democrats did it too" in response to everything stupid trump has done, and admit some personal reflection
The Technomancer
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Honestly everything I've heard from Chapo has seemed pretty trash, in a way that bothers me
Bonen no Max'd
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This doesn't surprise me from what little I know of you, I was just laughing because what Macho said reminded me of their Hillary impression.
hydragonwarrior
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If y'all want to feel down, feel free to read the comments section of this vice article:
https://www.facebook.com/VICE/posts/1598798430153409
But the vice article itself has a point - people on the Right do get angry enough to start voicing their opinions on Youtube, and if you're loud enough, a wave can begin.
https://www.facebook.com/VICE/posts/1598798430153409
But the vice article itself has a point - people on the Right do get angry enough to start voicing their opinions on Youtube, and if you're loud enough, a wave can begin.
Guy was pretty cool, talked to him a bit. And he wasn't alone.
Mobius and pet octopus
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A joke doesn't care if it's true or false. Jokes often are true.
I'm not saying he was polite or tactful. I am saying the tweet made it seem much much worse than it actually was due to how it was framed.
Fenderputty
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The Freedom Cacus is stupid. Ryan's plan basically takes a federal entitlement and turns it into a capped block grant system forcing states to come up with the rest or force poor people to lose coverage. It's basically a long time conservative wet dream and it's not pure enough for them . Not free enough.
balladofwindfishes
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Is another member of Trump's team being bogged down with a scandal?
Must be a Thursday
Must be a Thursday
Lol. No.
Because she's not Bernie and the "establishment, wall-street,'special interest shill"
Those twitter responses are about what I expected. The left can be nearly as dense as the right at times.
If it is proven he is a member of a group that prevents you from being a US citizen you don't think he will be forced out? It will be an incredible embarrassment to Trump.
Also, I can't even believe this
Have they tried to convince their constituents that not denying people with per-existing conditions is infringement of their freedom?
Nazgul_Hunter
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OK; I'm not a Rand Paul fan, but him giving negotiation tips to the Freedom caucus on the ACHA disaster using The Art of the Deal is kind of amazing.
It's simple: They're concerned with control, not power. There's a very important difference.
That's some excellent meta-trolling.OK; I'm not a Rand Paul fan, but him giving negotiation tips to the Freedom caucus on the ACHA disaster using The Art of the Deal is kind of amazing.
OK; I'm not a Rand Paul fan, but him giving negotiation tips to the Freedom caucus on the ACHA disaster using The Art of the Deal is kind of amazing.
Rand Paul is a human shit golem, but that's damned good.
The Technomancer
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I've been pretty disdainful of Chapo Trap House ever since I heard some of their stuff late last year, but I hadn't realized how much of an audience they were really gaining until some small thing on Twitter yesterday caused some ripples in discussion about them and suddenly I realized how cleanly people who's attitudes bothered me were correlating to Chapo listenership.
There's a really dangerous mistake in their stuff that's brewing within some movements of the left as well that actually worries me, and its the belief that the techniques and the rhetoric of the right wing can be utilized for progressivism.
That
-Its bad when the right does it because its in service of the "wrong" ideas
-And that its the reason the right has won, so we need to do it to to win and implement the "right" ideas
This idea that the function of our political movements can be cleanly separated from its form...I'd call it naive, except that a lot of people who I think I smart seem to be buying into it. I think its because its so seductive. It says that all the cathartic ways you want to express yourself are actually right and good and what's going to allow us to win and do all the good stuff, all couched in this idea that they "really give a shit", and that's so tempting right now especially, but it has me really concerned and I only figured out how to articulate this this morning
There's a really dangerous mistake in their stuff that's brewing within some movements of the left as well that actually worries me, and its the belief that the techniques and the rhetoric of the right wing can be utilized for progressivism.
That
-Its bad when the right does it because its in service of the "wrong" ideas
-And that its the reason the right has won, so we need to do it to to win and implement the "right" ideas
This idea that the function of our political movements can be cleanly separated from its form...I'd call it naive, except that a lot of people who I think I smart seem to be buying into it. I think its because its so seductive. It says that all the cathartic ways you want to express yourself are actually right and good and what's going to allow us to win and do all the good stuff, all couched in this idea that they "really give a shit", and that's so tempting right now especially, but it has me really concerned and I only figured out how to articulate this this morning
Bonen no Max'd
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Can you articulate on this more specifically? I've only been listening for about a month or so and I'm not sure what you're talking about.
IggyChooChoo
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Based purely on what I've read here. I was leaning against these Chapo Trap House fellows -- that is until I read that James Adomian is their Sebastian Gorka impersonator. His Bernie, Jesse Ventura, Chris Matthews, and my favorite -- the ghost of Christopher Hitchens -- are the gold standard for political impressions these days, in my opinion.
The Technomancer
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I haven't listened beyond some of their late stuff last year so I'm more speaking about stuff I'm seeing from people I follow and its correlation with what appears to be Chapo listenership, but there are two things in particular that have been bothering me:
-An attitude that treats those who aren't in total alignment as actors in bad faith specifically. Not just that other people are wrong, but that they're willfully not right
-A cathartic approach to political commentary dressed up as "being genuine" (see the good faith point above) that I'm not actually convinced of the utility of. Which is fine, entertainment doesn't need utility, but a lot of people think that this mode of expression is a utility the left can use for political gain
This piece crossed my feed last night:
http://reallifemag.com/the-laugherators/
And while I'm trying to keep my opinions here separate from the contents there, because it requires a much more in depth knowledge of their actual day in, day out content, it is an interesting critique.
Dominican Power
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Did Ari Melber just quote 50 Cent?
I'm reminded about the recent thread or two about how "Be Yourself" is terrible advice for many people. (I think there was an article on it, and then a separate thing on high give-a-shit vs low give-a-shit people re: social norms.)
See, I knew there were super racist leftists out there somewhere ruining the left, I just didn't know where because this stuff never even crossed my feed
Interesting takes from a Fox poll on favorability.
Americans love Bernie and Planned Parenthood, like Obamacare, but hate Warren more than Trump.
I'm really surprised by the gap between Bernie and Warren. Is it all sexism, or does it have something to do with Bernie's larger spotlight?
Americans love Bernie and Planned Parenthood, like Obamacare, but hate Warren more than Trump.
I'm really surprised by the gap between Bernie and Warren. Is it all sexism, or does it have something to do with Bernie's larger spotlight?
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