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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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Basileus777

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Autodidact said:
The loony right idolizes Russia because they see it as an authoritarian white supremacist state that wants to save "muh western civilization" (i.e., Russia shares their hatred for brown people).

But why do loony lefties glorify it so much? It hasn't been "socialist" since the Soviet days, and even during that era it starved and imprisoned its own citizens and treated human rights like a gum wrapper. Are these people just so viscerally anti-American that they've run all the way in the other direction and embraced our nemesis? Or do they see the stories of the Soviet Union's cruelty as revisionist history propagated by a corrupt, oligarchical, imperialist state (ignoring the fact that Russia epitomizes the worst kind of oligarchical corruption)?
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The "loony left" is susceptible to whataboutism because they've conditioned themselves to seeing every action the USA takes as evil and thus America's foreign rivals become sympathetic.
 
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Autodidact said:
The loony right idolizes Russia because they see it as an authoritarian white supremacist state that wants to save "muh western civilization" (i.e., Russia shares their hatred for brown people).

But why do loony lefties glorify it so much? It hasn't been "socialist" since the Soviet days, and even during that era it starved and imprisoned its own citizens and treated human rights like a gum wrapper. Are these people just so viscerally anti-American that they've run all the way in the other direction and embraced our nemesis? Or do they see the stories of the Soviet Union's cruelty as revisionist history propagated by a corrupt, oligarchical, imperialist state (ignoring the fact that Russia epitomizes the worst kind of oligarchical corruption)?
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One or more of the above!

Many are racist
Many have a self-loathing complex
Many are delusional about socialism (the real kind, not social democracy) cause they didn't see everyone fail miserably at it! (even though Venezuela is literally right fucking there) Much like libertarian types are delusional about Kansas!
 
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Prof. Bathtub

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It's the reason why he must be starved of any and all possible public adulation. If he sees nothing but dislike on the teevee shows, he'll lash out at anyone, when he sees crowds (representative or not) it's time for smug put-downs of the Losers. Though when the GOP response to the former is Troubled Concern and latter is hearty nods, it's only a marginal effective difference.
 
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aspiegamer

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Ooh, these G20 protesters wearing rain gear and carrying umbrellas. Very well-prepared. Letting themselves be carried off by police on by one, even, not resisting much. Very polite. Perhaps they're from Canada? Then again I just find it novel that there are riot police on TV that aren't carrying automatic rifles like in the US.

lol, I saw a few inflatable pool toys. Pros, these fellows.
 
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chadskin

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Putin in particular I'm sure.
 
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Vimes

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I really can't reconcile how reasonable Greenwald came across on Pod Save the World against... basically all his other words and deeds.

Twitter brigading female Clinton supporters during the primary in particular is a sore spot for me.
 
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aspiegamer

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Hah, the G20 group photo has Germany, China and Japan center and Trump shoved off in the corner like the dorky kid no one wants to talk to. ...Oh wait, Macron felt bad for him and swapped spots. What a softie.

Trump didn't yank Putin's hand outright, but he reached up for the forearm. Sigh, why do I care about this?
 
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Chumley

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Trump is all the way on the left of the photo of everyone together, Putin on the right. Lol.

I was just thinking, how fucking ludicrous the security must be for this thing. All of the leaders of the free world meeting in one place.
 
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Blader

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I don't think John Podesta would be allowed to make decisions about DNC servers.

excelsiorlef said:
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald


Honestly you'd think he was a Republican.

He's not of course.

But good lord dude spends as much time shitting on CNN, Democrats and downplaying Russia.... there's something wrong with him.
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I think far-left people like Greenwald and Jill Stein spend so much more time and effort attacking the center and center-left because they see that as the real struggle. The right wing to them are stupid morons who can't be reasoned with, that's a fait accompli we shouldn't even bother with debating or changing, so if we just sort out the left to align with our ideology, we'll easily mop the floor with the right in every election. Of course that ignores the reality that the right wing is actually very appealing to many voters (in America and elsewhere) on its own merits, and not just because the left is too centrist, but hey, you don't get to be on the far end of the spectrum without a certain degree of detachment from reality.
 
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tuxfool

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Blader said:
I don't think John Podesta would be allowed to make decisions about DNC servers.



I think far-left people like Greenwald and Jill Stein spend so much more time and effort attacking the center and center-left because they see that as the real struggle. The right wing to them are stupid morons who can't be reasoned with, that's a fait accompli we shouldn't even bother with debating or changing, so if we just sort out the left to align with our ideology, we'll easily mop the floor with the right in every election. Of course that ignores the reality that the right wing is actually very appealing to many voters (in America and elsewhere) on its own merits, and not just because the left is too centrist, but hey, you don't get to be on the far end of the spectrum without a certain degree of detachment from reality.
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It is a common thing for hard left and strong left parties to be truculent and standoffish in regards to others that should be potential allies. Also given their position on wings they're pretty happy to cast off firebombs to any and all that don't meet their rigorous approvals, regardless of practical realities of governance.
 
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222,000 Jobs Added To U.S. Payrolls In June; Unemployment Rate Rises To 4.4 Percent
An estimated 222,000 jobs were added to the U.S. economy in June, according to the monthly employment report released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics Friday.

"The job gains were better than expected — most economists had predicted a gain of 180,000 jobs," NPR's Chris Arnold reports for our Newscast unit.

The unemployment rate rose slightly to 4.4 percent from 4.3 percent — a 16-year low that was hit in May.
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"In June, average hourly earnings for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls rose by 4 cents to $26.25. Over the year, average hourly earnings have risen by 63 cents, or 2.5 percent," the Labor Department says.

As the wage growth tracker from the Atlanta Federal Reserve shows, the last time hourly pay increased by more than 4 percent was in 2008. Consistently slow wage growth is threatening to distract attention from the overall positive results, analysts say.
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RumbleHumble

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Autodidact said:
The loony right idolizes Russia because they see it as an authoritarian white supremacist state that wants to save "muh western civilization" (i.e., Russia shares their hatred for brown people).

But why do loony lefties glorify it so much? It hasn't been "socialist" since the Soviet days, and even during that era it starved and imprisoned its own citizens and treated human rights like a gum wrapper. Are these people just so viscerally anti-American that they've run all the way in the other direction and embraced our nemesis? Or do they see the stories of the Soviet Union's cruelty as revisionist history propagated by a corrupt, oligarchical, imperialist state (ignoring the fact that Russia epitomizes the worst kind of oligarchical corruption)?
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If I were to guess, it'd be that they've bought into the idea that we're just as bad and supposedly have no right to judge or that they somehow wouldn't be where they are now if we weren't as awful as we were post-WWII. From the people I've talked to, it's a narrative focused less on Russia's benefit and more on how the US is BAD.
 
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Greigor The Fellhand

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watched the maddow video from last night, I mean, it was kinda known that this admin had been putting out false reports to say look fake news! but I just wish she'd get the point faster, I feel like her show is 21 minutes with 13 minutes of filler
 
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I mean, the picture alone is funny, but I would bet money this moment was immediately preceded by one of the people there explaining something about it and saying "Go ahead and touch it, Mr. Vice President, it's fine."
 
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Greigor The Fellhand said:
watched the maddow video from last night, I mean, it was kinda known that this admin had been putting out false reports to say look fake news! but I just wish she'd get the point faster, I feel like her show is 21 minutes with 13 minutes of filler
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Classic Maddow.
 
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