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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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Prof. Bathtub

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People allow themselves to get hyped up (or think other people are hyped up) despite all assurances of the minor scale of the announcement, just so they can get mad and indignant when it fails to live up. Politics As E3. Etc.
 
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Crocodile

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I mean if you want the scoop, its that her office got sent what seems a forged NSA document and she's going over how they figured out why its likely a fake. But yes please get all pissy she didn't reveal all 40 years of Trumps tax returns that one time.

She's basically warning other news outlets to be wary of fake sources
 
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Hubbl3

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Sometimes I really hate Rachel Maddow's long ass buildups. So, it sounds like what she's getting at is someone tried to bait her into reporting on a forged document that was created/copied/forged from a real report that The Intercept had?

Edit: maybe "diatribe" isn't the right word
 
Thaedolus

Thaedolus

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Basically she's saying someone/something is trying to inject fake shit into news organizations so they can push the "fake news" narrative when they get it wrong.
 
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kirblar

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Crocodile said:
I mean if you want the scoop, its that her office got sent what seems a forged NSA document and she's going over how they figured out why its likely a fake. But yes please get all pissy she didn't reveal all 40 years of Trumps tax returns that one time.

She's basically warning other news outlets to be wary of fake sources
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I mean, she got sent a bait document and totally took it before...
 
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Random Human

They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Thaedolus said:
Basically she's saying someone/something is trying to inject fake shit into news organizations so they can push the "fake news" narrative when they get it wrong.
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A NYT reporter said this a while ago too. It's obviously something Trump supporters have been doing.
 
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kirblar

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Prof. Bathtub said:
People allow themselves to get hyped up (or think other people are hyped up) despite all assurances of the minor scale of the announcement, just so they can get mad and indignant when it fails to live up. Politics As E3. Etc.
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The 1 page of Trump tax returns was her hyping it up, not other people.
 
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AndyD

aka andydumi
kirblar said:
By the way the national minimum wage works, you do go with the lowest common denominator! It's a floor for the entire nation!
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It becomes the floor everywhere. But that does not mean you should always aim for the lowest common denominator in terms of progress. It's ludicrous.
 
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royalan

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Wasn't a very dramatic scoop, but it was an important one.

I think one of the dangers of it becoming increasingly obvious that there's something there between Trump and Russia is that news agencies will be more susceptible to jumping the gun in their reporting. And one way to kill the Russia investigation would be for a major revelation in the story to be a proven fake.
 
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kirblar

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AndyD said:
It becomes the floor everywhere. But that does not mean you should always aim for the lowest common denominator in terms of progress. It's ludicrous.
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$12 is not the lowest common denominator of "progress"!

It's as far as a lot of us think you can go without utterly decimating many of these places!

If you don't understand cost-of-living differences, go on craigslist and start poking around rural areas!
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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increasingly convinced socialists should create a Free State-esque project for North Dakota and Alaska, socialize all of the oil, then turn them into Norway

it would have immense political benefits for Democrats too, plus you can try to get there before climate change makes them particularly desirable locations and get dibs
 
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FiggyCal

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royalan said:
Wasn't a very dramatic scoop, but it was an important one.

I think one of the dangers of it becoming increasingly obvious that there's something there between Trump and Russia is that news agencies will be more susceptible to jumping the gun in their reporting. And one way to kill the Russia investigation would be for a major revelation in the story to be a proven fake.
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It was definitely an interesting story, especially considering what happened to CNN just last week.
 
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TheLaughingStock

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Don't see why the Maddow show is hyping what she's been sent as well as sending out a flare.

An individual or a group is attempting to exploit the fact that the editorial take at many outlets is that a Russian agent coordinated with malicious actors to become POTUS and now he's running the US government. Just like The Intercept being "skeptical" and "dismissive" as she put it...that's the gist of Maddow's slant on this story.

However, if these news outlet holds their horses and slows their role, then they'll catch fake leaks like Maddow did in spite of their bias. If they let their bias go too far, then they'll be exposed.

Why not just wait for the investigations to conclude rather than be so eager? No reason to put your credibility at risk for a conclusion you've already established before investigations have concluded.
 
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B-Dubs

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Thaedolus said:
Basically she's saying someone/something is trying to inject fake shit into news organizations so they can push the "fake news" narrative when they get it wrong.
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Pretty much. Someone has been doing it for a few months now, I assume someone in the Trump camp. The NYT talked about it a few weeks or so back, only to say they're able to tell the difference and won't publish the fake shit.
 
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FyreWulff

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yeah, most orgs worth their weight know about news salting so they're gonna always make sure they have more than one source for anything.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Casey has a lot more challengers than Wolf, which is surprising to me because I would assume Wolf is weaker given his negative favorability while Casey's is positive.
 
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GrapeApes

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All you Maddow haters don't get how to properly watch/listen to the show. I've been listening to the show and it's a pretty good sleep aid. Just press play, lie down, and press play. By the time she actually gets to her point you'll already be asleep. I just wait for the audio podcast like 15 minutes after the show ends.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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AndyD said:
It becomes the floor everywhere. But that does not mean you should always aim for the lowest common denominator in terms of progress. It's ludicrous.
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This isn't really how the word minimum works though.

I don't see how, from a technocratic standpoint, a $15 minimum with vague exceptions is easier to implement than a $12 minimum with no caveats.
 
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whyamihere

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Wow, WI Dems might have finally gotten their act together with a good recruit for Gov.

http://host.madison.com/news/local/...98e5ce86-faf7-5315-ad4e-74a2c334e98e.amp.html

State Superintendent Tony Evers is mulling whether to challenge Gov. Scott Walker in next year’s election, he said Thursday.

Evers, 65, said in an interview that a number of people have asked him to consider running for the state’s highest office after he earned a third term as head of the Department of Public Instruction in April in a landslide victory.

“A lot of people have talked to me about that,” Evers said about a potential run. “It’s an open question. … People are calling me and I’ve had lots of conversations and I’ll continue to do that.”


A spokesman for Walker’s campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Evers is the only Democrat to run a state agency, which oversees the state’s 422 public school districts and the state’s private school voucher programs.

He energized the state party in April when he earned a third term with 70 percent of votes cast over Republican-backed candidate Lowell Holtz, former Whitnall School District superintendent.

Evers’ April win followed a catastrophic November general election for Democrats in which former Secretary of State and presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and former U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold failed to win their respective races, and Democrats in the state Legislature lost seats in a year they were expected to gain them.

“I’m guessing (that) it’s because I am a candidate who has won three times at the state level and last time I got 70 percent of the vote,” Evers said about why he believes he was asked to run against Walker.

Though he has not officially announced, Walker is expected to announce after the 2017-19 state budget is passed that he will seek a third term and has mounted his probable campaign largely on a significant boost of funding he has proposed for public school districts.

Since proposing his spending plan for the next two years, Walker has touted his education proposal at nearly 50 public schools so far this year — about four times the number of schools he visited during his entire first year as governor.

Support for more funds
Recent Marquette Law School polling shows significant public support in Wisconsin for increasing state funding for public schools, an attitude that could become central to a potential matchup between Evers and Walker.

Walker has proposed $649 million in new spending for schools within his $11.5 billion plan for K-12 education. His proposal provides about $227 million more in aid than what Evers asked for in his agency budget request.

Since he was first elected state superintendent in 2009, Evers has asked Walker and the Legislature four times to significantly increase funding for schools, by raising state-imposed revenue limits and changing the equalized aid formula to account for districts with high poverty, declining enrollment and rural issues. His proposal to revamp the state’s funding formula has repeatedly been ignored until this year, when Walker included some of his proposals.

Evers specifically asked this year for a $200-per-student increase in districts’ revenue limits in 2017-19 and $204-per-student increase in 2018-19. Walker included that increase in his current budget proposal using state funds rather than property taxes, and added funding for rural schools.

Evers earlier this year praised Walker’s proposal, describing the plan as a “pro-kid budget” and “an important step forward.”

But until now, the two have been at odds over how much money the state and property taxpayers should send to schools, and on Walker’s signature piece of legislation known as Act 10, which all but eliminated collective bargaining for public school teachers and resulted in massive membership losses for the state’s largest teachers union, which has heavily backed Evers.

Evers also has repeatedly criticized Walker for his previous three budgets that cut or froze public school spending and expanded the number of families who could enroll children in private schools through taxpayer-funded vouchers.

If Evers decides to challenge Walker, he would join recent college graduate Bob Harlow, of Barneveld, and Ramona Whiteaker, of Stoughton, as the only formally declared Demcoratic gubernatorial candidates.

Other potential candidates who have said they’re considering a run or have not ruled out the possibility include Madison Mayor Paul Soglin; state Sen. Kathleen Vinehout, D-Alma; former Democratic Party of Wisconsin chairman Matt Flynn; Jefferson County District Attorney Susan Happ; state Rep. Gordon Hintz, D-Oshkosh; businessman Andy Gronik; and state Rep. Dana Wachs, D-Eau Claire.

“I’m not at the decision point yet,” Evers said Thursday.


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VendettaRed07

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GrapeApes said:
All you Maddow haters don't get how to properly watch/listen to the show. I've been listening to the show and it's a pretty good sleep aid. Just press play, lie down, and press play. By the time she actually gets to her point you'll already be asleep. I just wait for the audio podcast like 15 minutes after the show ends.
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Maybe Maddow should someone else have her primetime slot and she can start up a new show on PBS called "the joy of narrative painting", as she sketches an outline of Sean Spicer between some bushes. Take the sleep aid up to 10.
 
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royalan

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Eh, I enjoy Maddow's format. She's the only anchor who'll take her time with a story and give context in a sea of QUICK!! NEWS!! NOW!! programming.
 
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Ogodei

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Casey has a lot more challengers than Wolf, which is surprising to me because I would assume Wolf is weaker given his negative favorability while Casey's is positive.
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PA GOP tastes blood after the upset victory last year, but 2018 isn't the year for them to take advantage of any trends in PA (which may only be temporary anyway, since the red parts of the state are declining and the blue parts are growing, it's only the fact that labor is shifting Republican that gives them gains).
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Ogodei said:
PA GOP tastes blood after the upset victory last year, but 2018 isn't the year for them to take advantage of any trends in PA (which may only be temporary anyway, since the red parts of the state are declining and the blue parts are growing, it's only the fact that labor is shifting Republican that gives them gains).
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sure, all this is true, but Casey has like six challengers running while Wolf only has two when it seems like the governor with mediocre approval would be more vulnerable than the moderately popular senator
 
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SatelliteOfLove

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Wilsongt said:
God. Damn.

SC stated that they are not giving Trump the voter data.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeell.... The SC GOP chair says he is going to buy the data and give it to Trump instead.

Lol.

http://www.wistv.com/story/35825316...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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OFFS and I had just heard the good news it was a complete no go for K0-4bach.

*wastes precious time on this earth calling and writing to stop meaningless evil yet again*

FiggyCal said:
It was definitely an interesting story, especially considering what happened to CNN just last week.
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Yup. People are lolling this for no good reason, but it's a good refresher for people out there that anti-press antics do not stop at reddit-sourced shitposting.
 
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Box of Kittens

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Aaron Strife said:
Evers would be terrific. Walker seems like a paper tiger, the only time he's ever been taken seriously as a candidate in any race he dropped out before the first primary.
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It's the most infuriating thing about him. He always gets to coast against weak opposition. And all you have to do is knock him off his script and he starts sounding like the idiot he is. I wish the Wisconsin Dems weren't so terrible.
 
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Pyrokai

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Box of Kittens said:
It's the most infuriating thing about him. He always gets to coast against weak opposition. And all you have to do is knock him off his script and he starts sounding like the idiot he is. I wish the Wisconsin Dems weren't so terrible.
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I feel ya, bro. The Ohio Democratic Party is like......a joke.
 
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Spoiled Milk

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Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Yeah, Saddam being SUCH a paper tiger was I think pretty surprising to most people familiar with the region, considering he'd gassed Kurds back in the 90s.
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Autodidact said:
He folded like a paper tiger last time.
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Aaron Strife said:
Evers would be terrific. Walker seems like a paper tiger, the only time he's ever been taken seriously as a candidate in any race he dropped out before the first primary.
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this word is now banned from poligaf. aaron, please dredge up more obscure and colorful terms like carpetbagger.
 
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Box of Kittens

Banned
Pyrokai said:
I feel ya, bro. The Ohio Democratic Party is like......a joke.
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I remember someone posted an article (Politico maybe) that had someone from the Ohio Democratic Party complaining about the national party's strategy and all I could think was that the last people I would take strategic advice from would be the Ohio Democratic Party.
 
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excelsiorlef

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Hey y'all I have another one for the Gelnn Greenwald ain't shit pile:

Here's his framing of the CNN/ Really Racist reddit user whose content was tweeted out via official Presidential communications

CNN Warns It May Expose an Anonymous Critic if He Ever Again Publishes Bad Content
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Yep he's just a critic, not a hate peddler, not a virulent racist, just a critic who is being silenced by evil CNN.

But the invalidity of those particular accusations does not exonerate CNN. There is something self-evidently creepy, bullying, and heavy-handed about a large news organization publicly announcing that it will expose someone's identity if he ever again publishes content on the internet that the network deems inappropriate or objectionable. Whether it was CNN's intent or not, the article makes it appear as if CNN will be monitoring this citizen's online writing, and will punish him with exposure if he writes something the network dislikes.

There is also something untoward about the fact that CNN — the subject of the original video — was the news outlet that uncovered his identity. That fact creates the appearance of vengeance: If you, even as a random and anonymous internet user, post content critical of CNN, then it will use its vast corporate resources to investigate you, uncover your identity, and threaten to expose you if you ever do so again.

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Whatever the intent, this is a case where one of the nation's most powerful media corporations is explicitly threatening a critic with exposure should he publish material that the network deems — based on its own secret standards — to be worthy of punishment. And the threat comes in the wake of his groveling public apology, posted less than a day after he learned CNN had discovered his identity.

There is also a real question about whether a news organization — when deciding what information is newsworthy — should take into account factors such as whether someone is remorseful for what they said and whether they promise not to express similar views in the future. Those considerations seem to be the province of those vested with the power to punish bad behavior — a parent, a police officer, or a judge — rather than a news outlet. All of this has a strong whiff of CNN deciding who is a good boy and who is a bad boy based on the content of their views, and doling out journalistic punishments and rewards accordingly.

Moreover, if this person's name is newsworthy — on the ground that racists or others who post inflammatory content should be publicly exposed and vilified — does it matter if he expressed what CNN executives regard as sufficient remorse? And if his name is not newsworthy, then why should CNN be threatening to reveal it in the event that he makes future utterances that the network dislikes?

If you're someone who believes that media corporations should expose the identity even of random, anonymous internet users who express anti-Semitic or racist views, then you should be prepared to identify the full list of views that merit similar treatment. Should anyone who supports Trump have their identity exposed? Those who oppose marriage equality? Those with views deemed sexist? Those who advocate communism? Are you comfortable with having corporate media executives decide which views merit public exposure?

Whatever else is true, CNN is a massive media corporation that is owned by an even larger corporation. It has virtually unlimited resources. We should cheer when those resources are brought to bear to investigate those who exercise great political and economic power. But when they are used to threaten and punish a random, obscure citizen who has criticized the network — no matter how objectionable his views might be — it resembles corporate bullying and creepy censorship more than actual journalism.
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https://theintercept.com/2017/07/05...restling-gif-reddit-user/?comments=1#comments

For a left wing new source the commentary section suddenly reads like straight from r/T_D

Also somehow CNN is engaging in censorship.

With allies like Greenwald who needs enemies.
 
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Gattsu25

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royalan said:
Wasn't a very dramatic scoop, but it was an important one.

I think one of the dangers of it becoming increasingly obvious that there's something there between Trump and Russia is that news agencies will be more susceptible to jumping the gun in their reporting. And one way to kill the Russia investigation would be for a major revelation in the story to be a proven fake.
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Hmm, need to make sure I catch that episode. Sounds interesting.
 
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Autodidact

Banned
The loony right idolizes Russia because they see it as an authoritarian white supremacist state that wants to save "muh western civilization" (i.e., Russia shares their hatred for brown people).

But why do loony lefties glorify it so much? It hasn't been "socialist" since the Soviet days, and even during that era it starved and imprisoned its own citizens and treated human rights like a gum wrapper. Are these people just so viscerally anti-American that they've run all the way in the other direction and embraced our nemesis? Or do they see the stories of the Soviet Union's cruelty as revisionist history propagated by a corrupt, oligarchical, imperialist state (ignoring the fact that Russia epitomizes the worst kind of oligarchical corruption)?
 
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jtb

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Greenwald is basically Michael Tracey but with a shred of credibility at this point, and milking it for all its worth
 
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