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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Well, I'm just wondering if he's been talking to his lawyer. I don't trust anything Assange says at this point - it seems unlikely he would follow the guy's counsel. At least not without getting an okay from someone who would know better.
BoogieWoogie
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Better to convince people it's happening so they'll fight it 24/7.
whyamihere
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Pretty sure if there were a deal (which, they might make!) it wouldn't be broken by Indivisible. And they wouldn't announce the recess extension today.
exmachina64
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Schrödinger's sky
balladofwindfishes
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I just checked that Twitter and nice job ignoring the entire rest of the tweets that followed
That's... a slightly different story than "OMG A DEAL IS MINUTES AWAY AHHHHHH"
That's... a slightly different story than "OMG A DEAL IS MINUTES AWAY AHHHHHH"
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
can you imagine calling your son 'high quality'?????
RustyNails
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Another piece of evidence which suggests that Trump views everything as property.
I think it's a bit more insidious than that. I think the sender realized that there's a chance it was illegal, and thus shouldn't be sent directly to Trump in case it ever came back to hurt him. So while Don Jr was a character in Veep (clueless and clumsily incompetent) the sender was playing a character closer to House of Cards (devious and diabolical, although not quite brilliant enough to avoid leaving an email trail).
ArkhamFantasy
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In case you didn't see this before:
Republicans, ladies and gentlemen. 25% of them think voting rights "have gone too far."
Women, minorities, LGBT, and non-christians are voting, out of control!
Only before conception.
Fake Edit: or daughter! I dont discriminate based on the chromosome of the swimmer.
Poodlestrike
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In case you didn't see this before:
Republicans, ladies and gentlemen. 25% of them think voting rights "have gone too far."
Yeah, but Democrats are the ones that hate freedom.
In case you didn't see this before:
Republicans, ladies and gentlemen. 25% of them think voting rights "have gone too far."
That 41% saying the right to criticize government has gone too far is so insanely ironic given the state of discussed on the right during Obama's term.
whyamihere
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In case you didn't see this before:
Republicans, ladies and gentlemen. 25% of them think voting rights "have gone too far."
I wonder what the latter two would be with a Democrat as president though.
balladofwindfishes
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You cause people to panic all the time over baseless rumors and nothing stories and they just tune it out. They even wrote a book on this concept
People don't like panicking all the time. They eventually just cope by ignoring everything.
and maybe look at what happened the last time this happened. Died in the house, then revived and quickly passed with an amendment that made it even worse. Poligaf is really good at being overconfident.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I think this "transparency" narrative is an attempt to prevent the left appropriating the EMAILS outcry.
balladofwindfishes
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Twitter has a really, really, really garbage awful terrible track record for this stuff.
McConnell's MASTER PLAN ALL HOPE IS LOST Heller and Collins are the pre-defined nos, it's passing TOMORROW they're doing it all in secret and it's going to happen, we know because we have "sources" and stuff.
Stop following political action groups on twitter ffs. Do it for your own sanity.
And also I distinctly recall the majority of PoliGaf actually said "this might pass the house, but it'll die in the senate" and look what's happening now.
On the other hand, look at how the house bill passed. The grassroots thought they had won, and they failed.
Republicans control the house, senate and Presidency. Until that changes, it makes sense to be on high alert from now until 2019.
There is a near limitless well of anti-Trump money and support from the grassroots. We should use it, not tell people to sit on their thumbs because the job is done. There is no risk to this strategy, only upside.
The Master Plan Smile.
balladofwindfishes
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Irony is a concept lost on Republicans because a lot of them lack proper schooling for which such a subject could have been taught.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Am I missing some way in which the released emails are not incriminating as fuck? They literally contain the phrases "the Russian government's support of Mr. Trump" and "a Russian government lawyer would like to meet with you"
Well, I think Trump is going to put that theory very seriously to the test.
If there's any burnout whatsoever, we're not going to retake the house because we're going to see this level of, for lack of a better word, panic all the way through 2018.
I personally think there's a deeper well of activism than we've seen in decades since the 60s. The grassroots is begging for ways to make an impact (see: Ossoff) in these non-election years. We should use it.
I don't understand what the alternative is. The exhaustion will come no matter what because Trump is president and the Republicans control everything. Tuning out is not going to change that fact.
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thepotatoman
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I do think it will probably pass. It seems like a bad idea to take republican's at their word about it, when history has shown they can take the tiniest of concessions and call it a victory for moderacy.
Don't forget Don Jr.'s reply to that was: "if that's true, I'd love it".
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Alexandra Erin's analysis seems on point as always:
https://twitter.com/alexandraerin/status/884784514387542017
Basically that the story about the meeting with the Russian lady sounds so confusing because it was yet another attempt by the Russians to say "we think our uncle's best friends gym teacher might be interested in helping you out" and the Trumps just being too thick to get it
(She's been remarkably on point about reading people's personalities and how it motivated the actions we see, her pre-Comey testimony predictions of how that testimony would play out we're strikingly accurate)
https://twitter.com/alexandraerin/status/884784514387542017
Basically that the story about the meeting with the Russian lady sounds so confusing because it was yet another attempt by the Russians to say "we think our uncle's best friends gym teacher might be interested in helping you out" and the Trumps just being too thick to get it
(She's been remarkably on point about reading people's personalities and how it motivated the actions we see, her pre-Comey testimony predictions of how that testimony would play out we're strikingly accurate)
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thepotatoman
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Don't forget Jr.'s response of "If it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."
It's about as smoking gun as you get for the Trump campaign.
Don't know if that makes it a smoking gun for Trump himself.
balladofwindfishes
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Allow yourself a couple of days to laugh at Donald Trump Jr's stupidity without worrying that's it's a distraction (which is a ridiculous concept for a vote that requires a CBO report beforehand) or that the healthcare bill is minutes away from passing, despite clear evidence to the contrary (the recess delay, nobody of consequence talking about any kind of deal).
When I heard about the recess delay, my first reaction wasn't "this is a ploy by McConnell to rush the bill!!" it was "oh cool, now I don't have to think about this stupid bill while I'm on vacation this week"
Let yourself go "ahahahahaha lol what a moron, these people are so stupid" and not always think that it's some alternative scheme or ploy or whatever and get yourself all worked up over random Twitter posts from people who are paid to rile up people. Have some fun with politics every once and awhile when the bad news is slow. Don't turn a slow bad news week into a bad week by looking for a reason to panic.
Why is Roger Stone still a thing?
That being said, it reminded me of this legendary Twitter thread which is fun to go back to from time to time. He even ended up responding to it.
That being said, it reminded me of this legendary Twitter thread which is fun to go back to from time to time. He even ended up responding to it.
whyamihere
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In British news, I can't stop watching this, it's so bad.
https://twitter.com/sketchaganda/status/883627265476743168
https://twitter.com/sketchaganda/status/883627265476743168
I guess I think taking action does not (should not?) require panicking. Idk though, I'm not a panicker.
Though, obviously, inciting panic seems to be the easiest way of mobilizing political action. (And the less said about idiotic "~diSTRACtioN~ (1/67)" Twitter thread bullshit bullshit the better.)
timetokill
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In case you didn't see this before:
Republicans, ladies and gentlemen. 25% of them think voting rights "have gone too far."
That part actually disturbs me less than the other two graphs. I'd imagine 25% of Republicans think "illegals are voting with impunity!" and they're a lost cause.
metalslimer
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Yeah the fact that people think protesting and press rights have gone too far is horrifying
Futurevoid
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AP on twitter:
I guess on the bright side, it's still about 41 % of say about 45% of the population, so that still only makes it about 18% of the population. Still way more than it should be, but it's not a majority opinion by any means.
In case you didn't see this before:
Republicans, ladies and gentlemen. 25% of them think voting rights "have gone too far."
So the party is not majority fascist yet, but getting there
cartoon_soldier
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Yea, this will get moderates on board.
But doesn't that alienate the Pauls and Cruzes of the world?
Deuce Deuce
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Might drive the far righties away though. That can't be a good look for them to keep those taxes.
Yup.
The "work with Dems" option is likely what medicaid-expansion state senators like Capito want here anyway.
Depends. It's hitting a point where there's a certain need to get something passed.
Wasn't this the first step in their tax reform push as well? So they will have to try and shove this in a separate bill down the line?
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