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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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StopMakingSense
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Stupid Watergate considers emailing Jr. instead good OpSec.
IggyChooChoo
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Not to let Trump off the hook but my first thought is that he is an old man who hates reading, so they know he can't stay on top of his emails to sort out the important ones from the right wing spam for gold and brain enhancement pills.
Abinash117
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Gotta do something to distract.
Anyway, there was a push by the Trump campaign to show the Clinton has Russian ties.
https://web.archive.org/web/2017050.../clintons-close-ties-to-putindeserve-scrutiny
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/hillary-clinton-russia-ties-donald-trump/index.html
Although, it was a few months later.
Spoiled Milk
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One year ago I thought the Russian government was illegally laundering money to Donald Trump through property sales and offered DNC emails in exchange for a pro-Russian RNC platform. It's clear now the price of changing the platform was... just the emails. I'm a little surprised that's all it took. 
In all honesty the collusion story just doesn't matter to me anymore. It does matter because I would like our government to have specific geopolitical alliances. Also it matters because I think our president is incompetent.
But collusion is not impeachable and lying is a dumb reason to impeach someone. The emoluments clause stuff that we already know about is far more damning with this and no one seems to care except pigeon.
On the bright side, everyone who was saying "nah, no collusion" has to own up to the fact that there was collusion and prior knowledge. ...But now they've just shifted the story to "so what? Hillary got info on Manafort from Ukraine!" Which is obnoxious and clearly not the same. ...but it is a little bit the same. We're all just playing team sports. The truth is out there now and it's up to the Republicans to decide if they want to impeach Donald Trump over this under the high crimes part of the Constitution. My guess is - probably not.
I personally like that this is a major blemish on Donald Trump and also convinces the Congress to keep him from completely dismantling 120 years of American empire. Beyond that, I doubt it matters.
In all honesty the collusion story just doesn't matter to me anymore. It does matter because I would like our government to have specific geopolitical alliances. Also it matters because I think our president is incompetent.
But collusion is not impeachable and lying is a dumb reason to impeach someone. The emoluments clause stuff that we already know about is far more damning with this and no one seems to care except pigeon.
On the bright side, everyone who was saying "nah, no collusion" has to own up to the fact that there was collusion and prior knowledge. ...But now they've just shifted the story to "so what? Hillary got info on Manafort from Ukraine!" Which is obnoxious and clearly not the same. ...but it is a little bit the same. We're all just playing team sports. The truth is out there now and it's up to the Republicans to decide if they want to impeach Donald Trump over this under the high crimes part of the Constitution. My guess is - probably not.
I personally like that this is a major blemish on Donald Trump and also convinces the Congress to keep him from completely dismantling 120 years of American empire. Beyond that, I doubt it matters.
Quoting this, not addressing it specifically, but this general train of though, just so we can temper things down and keep a level head about it.
It's not even about GOP support for Trump. Both the GOP clergy and laity hate the guy. They know he's a walking shitstain. But he's THEIR walking shitstain, and as far as the cons are concerned it's Party Uber Alles.
Bottom line: The average American doesn't understand and doesn't care about this stuff. The Trump administration has implemented a lot of conservative policies, and the 1% are happy. An impeachment scandal will really hurt the Republicans and jeopardize the mid-term and 2020 elections. And any Repub up for re-election is gonna get washed out the in primaries if they act against the Orange Menace. There just isn't the political will to move on this stuff - there's nothing in it for the GOP.
People have been shouting, "Watergate Watergate Watergate!" as if the GOP hasn't learned from that scandal. Y'all should be looking to Iran-Contra instead, where a designated scapegoat took the fall for everyone in exchange for a slap on the wrist and a lucrative media career. DTJ is the new Ollie North.
The only similarity with Watergate is that after Trump is out of office, the GOP will denounce him as a RINO. The Party cannot fail, only be failed.
This is just completely unrealistic with GOP in power.
It's not even about GOP support for Trump. Both the GOP clergy and laity hate the guy. They know he's a walking shitstain. But he's THEIR walking shitstain, and as far as the cons are concerned it's Party Uber Alles.
Bottom line: The average American doesn't understand and doesn't care about this stuff. The Trump administration has implemented a lot of conservative policies, and the 1% are happy. An impeachment scandal will really hurt the Republicans and jeopardize the mid-term and 2020 elections. And any Repub up for re-election is gonna get washed out the in primaries if they act against the Orange Menace. There just isn't the political will to move on this stuff - there's nothing in it for the GOP.
People have been shouting, "Watergate Watergate Watergate!" as if the GOP hasn't learned from that scandal. Y'all should be looking to Iran-Contra instead, where a designated scapegoat took the fall for everyone in exchange for a slap on the wrist and a lucrative media career. DTJ is the new Ollie North.
The only similarity with Watergate is that after Trump is out of office, the GOP will denounce him as a RINO. The Party cannot fail, only be failed.
StopMakingSense
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But collusion is not impeachable and lying is a dumb reason to impeach someone. The emoluments clause stuff that we already know about is far more damning with this and no one seems to care except pigeon.
ANYTHING IS IMPEACHABLE.
Literally anything. There is no standard short of what the House deems an impeachable offense and gets a conviction in the Senate.
People bring up 'high crimes and misdemeanors' but it doesn't mean what they think it means. It actually is the phrase that means 'whatever you want fam'
Wonder how the Trump/weebs intersection of fandom feel about this.
One year ago I thought the Russian government was illegally laundering money to Donald Trump through property sales and offered DNC emails in exchange for a pro-Russian RNC platform. It's clear now the price of changing the platform was... just the emails. I'm a little surprised that's all it took.
In all honesty the collusion story just doesn't matter to me anymore. It does matter because I would like our government to have specific geopolitical alliances. Also it matters because I think our president is incompetent.
But collusion is not impeachable and lying is a dumb reason to impeach someone. The emoluments clause stuff that we already know about is far more damning with this and no one seems to care except pigeon.
On the bright side, everyone who was saying "nah, no collusion" has to own up to the fact that there was collusion and prior knowledge. ...But now they've just shifted the story to "so what? Hillary got info on Manafort from Ukraine!" Which is obnoxious and clearly not the same. ...but it is a little bit the same. We're all just playing team sports. The truth is out there now and it's up to the Republicans to decide if they want to impeach Donald Trump over this under the high crimes part of the Constitution. My guess is - probably not.
I personally like that this is a major blemish on Donald Trump and also convinces the Congress to keep him from completely dismantling 120 years of American empire. Beyond that, I doubt it matters.
Um, sorry bud but this story breaking doesnt suddenly mean all the other shit isnt also true. I mean, there is nothing in these emails that act like this is some new revolutionary relationship with Russia. The fact its happening in the first place should be a red flag.
nature boy
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Yes and Yes, but they need a counter-narrative.
The only smart one here is Tiffany. She's not going down with this ship. Ivanka is tied to the front of the boat.
The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: A Russian who met Donald Trump Jr. during the U.S. campaign says she "couldn't have had" information on Hillary Clinton.
3:50 PM · Jul 11, 2017
Lololololol
Russia is also getting testy.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN19W2AG
Trumpy making Sweet Daddy P angry.
BREAKING: A Russian who met Donald Trump Jr. during the U.S. campaign says she "couldn't have had" information on Hillary Clinton.
3:50 PM · Jul 11, 2017
Lololololol
Russia is also getting testy.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN19W2AG
Trumpy making Sweet Daddy P angry.
Can you pass on this link to the angry man? It is even on sale, 50% off.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1608299775/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Spoiled Milk
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I already said it's up to the republicans now if they think this is worth a conviction over. It probably isn't. Remember that Watergate was organized by Richard Nixon. This crime had already happened by the time Donald Trump had gotten any wind of it.
No, the red flag was when the RNC surreptitiously changed its most anti-Russian stances overnight in hotel rooms after Russian political saboteur Paul Manafort began managing Trump's campaign. And then when he said that he hoped Russia had the emails and that he was willing to work with the guy. And then when he said he might lift sanctions. These paint a picture of one specific transaction and an evolving diplomatic relationship, not a seedy crime ring with illegal money dealings and hookers.
...oh shit, I forgot about the piss tape.
ArkhamFantasy
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Every top story on foxnews.com is about the donald jr: russia story, is fox part of the fake news media now?
Roland_Gunner
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Mueller is still going to be investigating when we vote in 2020.
If we vote in 2020...
I wonder if Karen Pence is measuring the drapes to replace those godawful ones Trump put up? And to make it less likely that heads of the FBI can blend in with them?
How can he do that when Jr released the email himself first? Numb nuts.
Joe Shlabotnik
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They're pouring the cement for Jr.'s shoes.
Honestly, if you're the NYTimes, maybe its better to not warn the Trump administration that you're about to release damaging news articles. I think it worked out this time, but if Trump Jr was a bit faster with his twitter fingers, he could have completely controlled the narrative - like he willingly gave the information up and the Times were just following his lead.
Obviously not in a world where Bernie Sanders exists.
Maybe the most popular politician who currently does not have a job
Nomadic Sparks
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Please anyone from my state of Missouri that doesn't make retch or fear for my voting rights as a disabled individual would be nice. Besides McCaskill
Southern Missouri is a cultural hellhole
cartoon_soldier
Member
Anybody peeked into r/T_D to see how they are handling things?
Autodidact
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Let me tell you about Eugene Debs...
Abinash117
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Why would that matter? Everyone is focusing on the content .
RustyNails
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How the hell the FBI didn't know? Bobby Three Sticks slacking.
I was worried that if Jr is able to control the narrative, we get things like these hot takes:
Anyways it looks like I was in fact wrong about the timing, but that was my worry.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
This is both the most worrying and most promising thing. Worrying because holy shit how far behind are they? NYT was working this story for a year and the FBI didn't now about it at all? Yeah I don't believe you and promising because this is where obstruction and perjury will take down the entire club.
Abinash117
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I'm worried that if Jr is able to control the narrative, we get things like these hot takes:
Anyways it looks like I was in fact wrong about the timing, but that was my worry.
But we already got those hot tacks.
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
This is where I get confused. Is Mueller running the FBI investigation or are they separate things?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
How...how does Donald Junior release a statement saying "I didn't know she was government" right alongside emails saying "Russian government lawyer"?
cartoon_soldier
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There is no FBI investigation now. Mueller is running it as an extension of the FBI.
When CNN says FBI didn't have them I am not sure whether they mean the investigation before Mueller came on board or after Mueller.
I was worried that if Jr is able to control the narrative, we get things like these hot takes:
Anyways it looks like I was in fact wrong about the timing, but that was my worry.
They would defend Trump taking a shit on the constitution if they heard that Hillary held in a fart while around the document out of fear of being exposed for being gassy.
"At least Trump revealed to the world his bowel distress as opposed to trying to hide it!"
https://twitter.com/paulajean2018/status/884812068641230849
I give props to Manchin doing an interview with TYT. It means he feels the pressure from the progressive base.
Of course the people on r/T_D talk like this.
My guess: damaging information was discussed during the meeting.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I just can't
THAT EMAIL IS SO INCRIMINATING
ITS THE MOST INCRIMINATING THING
EVER
They are monumentally stupid or monumentally ballsy or both
THAT EMAIL IS SO INCRIMINATING
ITS THE MOST INCRIMINATING THING
EVER
They are monumentally stupid or monumentally ballsy or both
Julian Assange @JulianAssange
Contacted Trump Jr this morning on why he should publish his emails (i.e with us). Two hours later, does it himself:
WikiLeaks @wikileaks
Full doc: Trump Jr email chain about meeting Russian lawyer promising info on Clinton-Russian dealings
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/469536001/
Contacted Trump Jr this morning on why he should publish his emails (i.e with us). Two hours later, does it himself:
WikiLeaks @wikileaks
Full doc: Trump Jr email chain about meeting Russian lawyer promising info on Clinton-Russian dealings
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/469536001/
I really need an explanation of what the fuck Assange
Putin
It's absolutely disgusting, but at least the Fox News website is more honest with its reporting (at least so far).
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