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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Every time this shit happens I want to scream at some people, "Now, are you SURE you want to get rid of Pelosi?" I will probably be using that question frequently as they move to the debt ceiling negotiations.
I knew GOP didn't really want to repeal the law. It was only useful as a rallying cry with the Obama bogeyman to tie it to. As the era of Obama fades it becomes a fuck ton harder to repeal something so deeply entrenched in a core aspect of our economy. Especially for such a shit alternative. It's not just slightly worse it's magnitudes of crap worse.
BlastProcessing
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In Clot We Trust.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Republicans: "Vote for us to dunk on CNN!"
He's going to veto the entire senate! Very angry!
Lol fucking idiots. Blame Dems just will not work this time. That Rose Garden party will haunt them in 2018 for sure.
whyamihere
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What's the point of having majorities if you can't pass your agenda???
ShadowSwordmaster
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What deal?
Yeah. That's a goldmine for campaigning.
aspiegamer
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Felling better on health care of course, but going through this same process every few weeks of panic and anger to eventual content is soul-draining.
...Yeah, Paul Ryan is not good at his job. McConnell is freaking amazing at his job in that he'll go to any lengths to get what he wants, but even he can't piece together 50 votes for the equivalent of raw condensed evil on paper.
Most bitchin' kegger in Congressional history, yo! Beats the pants off of those ragers Biden threw out on the WH lawn./https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fuploads%2Fcard%2Fimage%2F467777%2Ff5b2655b-c976-42c6-9121-7b2036865bd6.jpg)
...Yeah, Paul Ryan is not good at his job. McConnell is freaking amazing at his job in that he'll go to any lengths to get what he wants, but even he can't piece together 50 votes for the equivalent of raw condensed evil on paper.
The eventual one the moderates agree to re: healthcare.
Pelosi and Reid shit on them both from a great height. Pelosi especially.
Futurevoid
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whyamihere
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I see you Futurevoid.
I see you 👀
Really this is the best result. Have the WH triple down and not realize for a week it really is a lost cause. The man doesn't know how to take an L with dignity.
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Really this is the best result. Have the WH triple down and not realize for a week it really is a lost cause. The man doesn't know how to take an L with dignity.
Of course, the problem with the last part is that the bill they ended up trying to pass was absolutely hated, so no one is going to "blame dems" (besides the crazy base) for it not being passed, rather credit them for not helping pass anything.
If they mean blame dems for the current market getting worse, that won't work either with the dems having no power in Washington.
This entire party is completely bankrupt.
Trump driving things before a bill gets voted on makes it more likely for the bill to fail or fall apart.
Futurevoid
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Beat me by that much ..lol.
ShadowSwordmaster
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Got it.
Trump's totally going to try and strong-arm a vote anyway, so if this thing fails on the senate floor they know which Republicans to brand as traitors and target next year.
Republicans in the House who are vulnerable next year and voted for this thing are probably shitting themselves. R's in the Senate were supposed to be the scapegoats for when this garbage passed. But now they're pretty much in the clear and all those baffoons who were celebrating with Trump on the Rose Garden after it passed the House are now caught with their pants down.
Republicans in the House who are vulnerable next year and voted for this thing are probably shitting themselves. R's in the Senate were supposed to be the scapegoats for when this garbage passed. But now they're pretty much in the clear and all those baffoons who were celebrating with Trump on the Rose Garden after it passed the House are now caught with their pants down.
Third time's the charm.
RustyNails
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Grandmaster Wizard Magician McConnell will make Democratic Moderate Darlings flip.
Got the Shakes
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They do know that they need 50 votes for it to get through the Senate, right?
Ugh, saw this on twitter. Groaned out that we're going to have to go through this crap again.
(Can they just make a stabilization bill for the ACA and tell him they're repealing and replacing?)
Cesare Borgia
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The ironic thing is that the more the senate toils to satisfy senators scared of the Medicaid cuts, the worse off the bill's chances become in the House. I don't buy the recent rumors that the House will simply rubber stamp this and that will be The End.
I also have to wonder how much of this failure is a direct result of the president's historic unpopularity, and the nonstop negative news surrounding him. I'd imagine a President Kasich would also propose some type of plan that reduces Medicaid rates (to a smaller degree of course)...but President Kasich would be riding a 50%+ approval rating right now, taking credit for a good economy, and not be embroiled in controversy. Less heat on congress, more willingness to take chances.
I also have to wonder how much of this failure is a direct result of the president's historic unpopularity, and the nonstop negative news surrounding him. I'd imagine a President Kasich would also propose some type of plan that reduces Medicaid rates (to a smaller degree of course)...but President Kasich would be riding a 50%+ approval rating right now, taking credit for a good economy, and not be embroiled in controversy. Less heat on congress, more willingness to take chances.
I don't think that is actually going to happen in reality.
Story of the Trump admin right here. Blindly charging forward into failure
balladofwindfishes
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Trump didn't seem to care when the House bill failed the first time (it was Pence who carried on), wonder why he's pushing the senate bill.
A pure repeal bill will die in the House, it won't even see the Senate floor, there's a reason they never tried it.
BlastProcessing
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Yeah, I can see that. And I can see it not making it out of the house.
I eagerly await reps trying to justify not passing it now after they passed it under President Obama. i understand why, but it's not a good reason to have to explain, lol.
Problem is if they go straight for that they die politically, which is why they're doing this whole end-run around the issue using Obamacare.
Oh, I know that. But the public hates Trumpcare. They actually lost the messaging on this one. Everyone thinks they're cutting their healthcare so they can cut taxes on the rich (which is what they're doing, but that's also what everyone thinks they're doing.)
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They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
Here come the tweets.
skullmuffins
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(Dems won't join in)
whyamihere
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StopMakingSense
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OK that is the dumbest thing I have heard.
Why does he keep saying the Dems will join in?
Like clockwork
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All that shit McConnell was telling the moderates wouldn't actually happen? The replace part wouldn't actually happen here.
If they did a blanket repeal with no added language, would money for black lung just immediately stop?
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