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[Sciz]

Trump didn't seem to care when the House bill failed the first time (it was Pence who carried on), wonder why he's pushing the senate bill.

"No Senate bill = no tax bill" is simple enough that it probably managed to penetrate his usual shield of willful ignorance.

 

[Hubbl3]

(Dems won't join in)

"Dems will join in"

Yeaaaahhh... about that

 

[Barzul]

Fareed Zakaria spitting hot truths on Trump simply not understanding any aspect of policy.

I knew he would jump to full repeal immediately.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

Cant wait to see him threaten these senators with primary threats or something.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Honestly, I think Trump would pass anything from "pray the cancer away" to single-payer if you put it in front of him, he just wants a fucking win and he wants a fucking win now.

Does anybody know any Dems who look like Kushner who we can alter, Ethan Hawke in Gattaca-style, to take his place and whisper sweet nothings of liberalism into Trump's ear, Wormtongue style? I think this would work.

 

[RustyNails]

Fareed Zakaria spitting hot truths on Trump simply not understanding any aspect of policy.

I knew he would jump to full repeal immediately.

Fareed has really good things to say as commentator and I like the fact that he focuses his show on foreign power plays.

 

[Ogodei]

I wonder, if the Dems somehow managed to capture both chambers next year, that they could convince Trump to pass single payer by saying he'd go down as the most beloved president in US history (which, probably not, but if he did pass UHC he'd probably make top 15).

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Watching Republicans fail in such a public, spectacular way at taking healthcare away from my epileptic brother-in-law is such deliciously intoxicating schadenfreude, it actually makes me somewhat understand why "let's piss off liberals" is apparently the only cohesive conservative worldview anymore.

 

[Tommy DJ]

Fareed Zakaria spitting hot truths on Trump simply not understanding any aspect of policy.

I knew he would jump to full repeal immediately.

Dude doesn't even understand what legislation is. He's basically as off hands as you can possibly be, its amazing that anyone is even supportive of this guy. When you listen to him speak, its some kid who didn't bother to read even the first chapter Huckleberry Finn.

 

[Got the Shakes]

I wonder, if the Dems somehow managed to capture both chambers next year, that they could convince Trump to pass single payer by saying he'd go down as the most beloved president in US history (which, probably not, but if he did pass UHC he'd probably make top 15).

They could probably talk him into passing single payer by telling him it's something Obama couldn't get done.

 

[B-Dubs]

Watching Republicans fail in such a public, spectacular way at taking healthcare away from my epileptic brother-in-law is such deliciously intoxicating schadenfreude, it actually makes me somewhat understand why "let's piss off liberals" is apparently the only cohesive conservative worldview anymore.

I wish liberals could find some cohesion using the idea of pissing off conservatives. Could get a lot of good shit done that way.

 

[cooltrainer]

"Dems will join in"

Yeaaaahhh... about that

I like that the logic is probably that repealing Obamacare would be so catastrophic Dems would feel obligated to pass anything.

 

[Lo-Volt]

Sahil Kapur (Bloomberg News): John McCain says Republicans should start over on healthcare and do a bipartisan bill (tips hat to giga in the OT thread)

 

[whyamihere]

Obama is having a good night!

@edatpost
JUST IN: Trump administration informs Congress that Iran is meeting terms of nuclear deal (by @karendeyoung1)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.286c7220a588

 

[Got the Shakes]

"The ACA repeal now further imperiling the budget.

Jim Jordan asks why conservatives should go along with a budget after health care mess."

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/887142417576730624

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Sahil Kapur (Bloomberg News): John McCain says Republicans should start over on healthcare and do a bipartisan bill (tips hat to giga in the OT thread)

lmao.

 

[Diablos]

Obama come back. I wish you could be President forever.

 

[whyamihere]

McConnell is going to try to one last time. Full repeal and delay. Won't work, which, he knows.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/887141966743470081

@toddzwillich
Mcconnell says senate to vote on FULL Obamacare repeal with 2 year delay

 

[NYCmetsfan]

mcconnell doing repeal over two years, that needs 60 votes.

McConnell is going to try to one last time. Full repeal and delay. Won't work, which, he knows.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/887141966743470081

Obstructionist dems!

 

[teiresias]

"The ACA repeal now further imperiling the budget.

Jim Jordan asks why conservatives should go along with a budget after health care mess."

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/887142417576730624

Haha, get fucked GOP. I'd love to see them fuck up the budget with complete control over Congress. Of course I don't think either McConnell or Ryan are stupid enough to go to the brink with that, but I wouldn't put it past Trump to veto a deal the minute news coverage starts talking about the wins Democrats would have gotten in negotiations.

 

[Barzul]

mcconnell doing repeal over two years, that needs 60 votes.


Obstructionist dems!

Does it really need 60 votes? It didn't in 2015.

 

[Diablos]

McConnell is going to try to one last time. Full repeal and delay. Won't work, which, he knows.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/887141966743470081

Go fuck yourself Mitch.

 

[whyamihere]

It doesn't need 60 votes, but they also probably don't have the votes to do it.

 

[Loxley]

McConnell is going to try to one last time. Full repeal and delay. Won't work, which, he knows.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/887141966743470081

A fucking two year delay? Good luck.

 

[Ogodei]

It doesn't need 60 votes, but they also probably don't have the votes to do it.

It would need 60 votes for full repeal, but a delayed repeal would be a boondoggle anyway.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

(Dems won't join in)

The main reason why the GOP can't win on this right now is because so many do not believe in regulation. Moreover, they think private US firms in this sector are doing a great job: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-belk/the-obomacare-paradox-the_b_8735042.html

If they made simple changes to their rhetoric and acknowledged that the government must intervene because firms are doing a poor job, then they could repeal and replace the Obamacare disaster.

 

[Crocodile]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the last time the Senate pushed back the August Recess was in 1993 when the Democratic Senate failed to push healthcare through? Time is flat, etc. etc.

Still we should stay vigilant though

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

McConnell: "I'll just do my own healthcare vote! With blackjack! And hookers!"

 

[Plinko]

McConnell going for maximum L's.

 

[whyamihere]

33 million people would lose their health insurance. So. Yeah.

 

[teiresias]

McConnell is going to try to one last time. Full repeal and delay. Won't work, which, he knows.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/887141966743470081

This doesn't read like repeal then work on a replacement, isn't he actually saying he wants to pass the House bill with an amendment to delay repeal of the ACA and implementation of the House bill for two years? There was no way they were going to be able to pass the previous House bill anyway, hence all this crap with coming up with a separate, more palatable Senate bill.

 

[Autodidact]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the last time the Senate pushed back the August Recess was in 1993 when the Democratic Senate failed to push healthcare through? Time is flat, etc. etc.

Still we should stay vigilant though

That failure also saw pretty much every Democratic senator introducing a separate bill in a Hail Mary attempt to pass something.

 

[Plinko]

33 million people would lose their health insurance. So. Yeah.

I was just going to ask if the report had already been done on a straight repeal.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

McConnell is going for the Kamikaze strategy now.

 

[whyamihere]

Hm.

@jrovner
Ok one more time. R's would need 60 votes to repeal. They could try for 2015 reconciliation vetoed by Obama, but that had no ins reg changes

 

[Dan]

"stable transition period"

Hah!

 

[RustyNails]

McConnell is going to try to one last time. Full repeal and delay. Won't work, which, he knows.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/887141966743470081

I'm out of mock nouns to describe how McConnell is a political genius.

 

[benjipwns]

Donald Trump fell out with Chris Christie, a new book reveals, by screaming at him: 'You know my number, just give it to the President, I don't want your f***ing phone'.

Trump became furious on election night when the New Jersey governor offered to use his own mobile phone to take a congratulatory call from Barack Obama.

As a germophobe he was also horrified at the idea of having Christie's phone next to his face.

Christie said: 'Hey Donald. The President talked to me earlier' - the two had gotten to know each other after Superstorm Sandy. Christie said: 'If you win he's going to call my phone, and I'll pass it over to you'.

Trump 'flashed a look of annoyance, clearly resenting the intrusion' and was repulsed by the idea of having somebody else's phone next to his face.

Trump told Christie: 'Hey Chris, you know my f***ing phone number. Just give it to the President. I don't want your f***ing phone'.

Aides said that Christie's move was the 'ultimate mistake' and one from which he 'wouldn't recover'.

this is the best

 

[B-Dubs]

this is the best

This is what did Christie in?

This is the best thing ever.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

I just don't understand why he's deadset on self-immolation here. Unless he knows time is short (and not because of reconcilliation or that stuff either...)

After it failed the first time we were talking about McConnell stepping down

But failing a second time, he should seriously consider it. He's a massive failure and did irreparable damage to the GOP going into 2018.

He should step down for doing irrepairable harm to the Senate, but that's sadly not how the world works right now.

 

[Maxim726X]

Hm.

Well... Wouldn't a full repeal still count under reconciliation as it would cut spending?

Unless I am again confused as to what is eligible for budgetary reconciliation.

 

[Autodidact]

My god that Christie passage reads like some Regina George bullshit.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

benji, how does it feel to be vindicated re: Terry McAuliffe possibly running for president?

(at least I think that was you who made those jokes)

 

[Chumly]

A straight up repeal would be far more disastrous than trumpcare.

Once they repealed it nothing republicans offered up would even come close to providing enough support

 

[bananas]

Is Trump going to go two years without passing any meaningful legislation before the GOP losses control of the House?

Will his presidency literally be nothing but failures and the Russia collusion investigation?

 

[Trouble]

Cant wait to see him threaten these senators with primary threats or something.

Honestly, if things keep going the way they are going... having Trump attacking you as a Republican running for re-election could end up being an asset rather than a liability.

 

[sangreal]

McConnell is going to try to one last time. Full repeal and delay. Won't work, which, he knows.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status/887141966743470081

it's pretty clear where that dumb idea came from, and it isn't the far right senators who have been calling for it

I guess the only way to shut Trump up about it is to show him there is no appetite for it in the house or the Senate. Aside from Trump, Paul Ryan is the only other one stupid enough to think Democrats will support a new bill that doesn't start with the ACA

Funny thing is Trump is the one who torpedoed this plan back in January

 

[Maxim726X]

Is Trump going to go two years without passing any meaningful legislation before the GOP losses control of the House?

Will his this presidency literally be nothing but failures and the Russia collusion investigation?

It's getting close to that point already.

We're only a few months away from Congressional campaigns getting started, so you'll likely see even less get done.

 

[IggyChooChoo]

this is the best

Is this stuff trustworthy? I remember tons of weird, sordid fiction written about the Clintons, like that Ed Klein guy:

"You've thrown us in the crap again!" she screamed. "I've never been this pissed off at you! I don't think you really want me to be president."

Bill looked up over the rim of his eyeglasses, which were perched on the tip of his nose.

"Calm down," he said.

His air of nonchalance only made Hillary angrier, and with a sweeping motion of her arm, she shoved everything off the top of his desk, sending papers and an expensive piece of Chihuly blown glass flying onto the floor.

"Jesus!" Bill said.

He got up to retrieve the Chihuly sculpture, which fortunately wasn't damaged. He put it carefully back on his desk. He had one of the largest private collections of Chihuly glass in the country.

"You don't care about anything but that fucking piece of glass," Hillary said.

 

[skullmuffins]

This doesn't read like repeal then work on a replacement, isn't he actually saying he wants to pass the House bill with an amendment to delay repeal of the ACA and implementation of the House bill for two years? There was no way they were going to be able to pass the previous House bill anyway, hence all this crap with coming up with a separate, more palatable Senate bill.

No, "vote to take up the House bill" is a procedural thing; he's going to replace the language with the repeal bill they voted for in 2015.

Which had a CBO score like this, BTW: