Everyone knows what's in the legislation now. The only thing he can essentially be doing in this lunch is threatening. I don't think that's going to ingratiate him to the moderate holdouts, and the FC holdouts that hated McConnell saying stuff would never happen anyway see how neither Mitch nor Trump can reassure then otherwise given their track record.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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RustyNails
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Its not. Some insurers in few counties pulled out, including Ohio. But the vast majority of them are intact.
Anyways I think dems should propose a few things to cut down premiums:
Federal regulations on yearly drug testing. Pro Publica did a piece recently and found out that meds from a few decades ago still were effective with no signs of side effects. Pharma trashes a billion dollars worth of meds every year because they game the expiry date system.
Open medicine market inside hospitals. There's no reason an advil should cost $40/tablet. Throw some competition in there.
The medical equipment tax should be increased. This is a giant monopoly.
Boarding rates. How the fuck do they come up with $1000/night rates?
I think simply jumping to single payer will not fix the fundamental, structural problems inside health industry.
Someone made a good point on NPR yesterday that health insurance and coverage means jack shit until something is done about the skyrocketing costs of treatment.
If you are required to pay 20% copay on a procedure due to insurance, all the doctors/hospitals have to do is raise the cost of the procedure and you end up paying more out of pocket.
If you are required to pay 20% copay on a procedure due to insurance, all the doctors/hospitals have to do is raise the cost of the procedure and you end up paying more out of pocket.
Box of Kittens
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With all this talk of James Polk, let's not forget the greatest success of James Buchanan's presidency was keeping his pledge not to seek a second term.
Getting close to that magic number of total population vote of US. So his absolute floor would be 20% or so.
ShadowSwordmaster
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That is odd?
IggyChooChoo
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And that's Rasmussen, too. Think Drudge is trying to oust Bannon? Didn't they have a falling out?
Trump could just not pay the subsidies to health care companies that were negotiated years ago, which would essentially kill it off.
And because he's a child, that's probably what he will do.
I mean, odd that Drudge is putting a spotlight on negative trump news, and he's able to use Raaaaaas to do it.
RustyNails
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He will shut up and pay the subsidies just like he's certifying the Iran nuclear deal.
I wish I shared your confidence.
The Iran deal is getting no press. His healthcare failure is, and he would love to point to the failure of Obamacare as proof that he was right all along. Actually, nothing would make him happier.
RumbleHumble
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Drudge's headline yesterday was a spotlight on Congress's failure to get anything done. Who pissed him off?
Drudge seems to be getting ahead of the curve here by going anti-Trump. He's ready to jettison and scapegoat him.
AntraxSuicide
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They literally can't. They need this bill to balance out the ones they've probably actually thought through. I'd guess they have a tax plan (probably had it for awhile) but if they can't do healthcare then they'll need a new tax bill. And that means more cat herding.
Supposedly he's friends with Kushner. Not sure what his game is here.
Pretty much, they're doing it up with the big ass negative Trump headlines for a minute now, no wonder Breitbart was trying to knock their reporting.
He never learned to take an L. Honestly Senators should just show they have more power than him and keep knocking it back. You should never sell something you don't even understand.
Joe Shlabotnik
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It says everything about the state of national discourse if losing Drudge ends up being Trump's Cronkite moment.
Greigor The Fellhand
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funny I think whoever that site names is most certainly not a traitor to america.
An enemy of russia yes, a traitor to america? no
Poodlestrike
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Portman, really? Dude was a nonpresence through this whole thing.
Also kinda wondering why they're not targeting Collins or Heller.
this is precisely why I am still nervous. There is no basement for how craven and careless the GOP will be (see the budget showdowns, debt ceiling showdown, government shutdowns, Trump's nomination)
They voted the House bill without CBO scoring.
Now they are starting to attack the CBO
This thing will only completely die if control of either chamber of Congress flips to D by 2018
Deuce Deuce
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"Tea Party Patriots" supporting Obamacare-lite basically with large amounts of spending and taxes in it. So very principled of them.
Figured the Tea Party would've learned the futility of targeting Murkowski. What's she gonna have to do? Win another write-in election?
Trump stepping up to bat is bad news (if it means he and Pence are going to take this more seriously), but there's a lot of hurt feelings in the Senate over this bill now and everyone seems glad of even the possibility of putting this behind them.
Trump stepping up to bat is bad news (if it means he and Pence are going to take this more seriously), but there's a lot of hurt feelings in the Senate over this bill now and everyone seems glad of even the possibility of putting this behind them.
Because they're actually at risk of losing their seats in a general election?
It's all theater.
Ziltoidia 9
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It was never about subsidies it was about tax cuts for donors.
NYT: Why Trumps Base of Support May Be Smaller Than It Seems
Polls might be hiding declining Republican support for Trump because people are less likely to identify as Republican if they disapprove of Trump.
Republican support might currently be in the 70-80% rather than the 80-90% range that polls are showing.
Polls might be hiding declining Republican support for Trump because people are less likely to identify as Republican if they disapprove of Trump.
Republican support might currently be in the 70-80% rather than the 80-90% range that polls are showing.
RumbleHumble
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To be fair, the House has always seemed more eager to jump on Trump's dick.
Yeah, it's not all trending well... Republicans and Trump supporters are still more likely than Democrats and Trump opposers to vote in the 2018 midterms....
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/887649090602971138
Sounds like the same way Trump treats his employees. Hey guys, free parking, who needs pension benefits now?
RumbleHumble
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Yeah, it's not all trending well... Republicans and Trump supporters are still more likely than Democrats and Trump opposers to vote in the 2018 midterms....
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/887649090602971138
On the plus side, the gap is more narrow than it was in October of 2016.
whyamihere
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Yeah, it's not all trending well... Republicans and Trump supporters are still more likely than Democrats and Trump opposers to vote in the 2018 midterms....
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/887649090602971138
I mean, this also isn't how midterms or any election since Trump's inauguration has really worked. And the "strong Trump approval" is an increasingly narrow part of the electorate, which is what the NYT article speaks to.
And you can't say something is "trending" without context.
That seems like a rather awful way to go through life than evaluating polls on their own merits and understanding the appropriate context.
cartoon_soldier
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If there is one thing Dems should be worried about the most right now it is the voter fraud panel.
The only thing that the Repubs had to do was work to FIX Obamacare. I've heard plenty of Dems (and even Obama himself) say that work was necessary to make it better.
Instead the Repubs and Trump wanted to go scorched earth on the thing just because it is tied to Obama (can't have the first black president with a lasting legacy). And now that they've helped destabilize it even further, they want to just drop it and blame the Democrats.
It's like if the Dems built a house but it needed some improvements. Then the Repubs came in, said they would build a better house instead of fixing what was already there, and proceeded to tear out half of the support structures, rip off the roof and pull the siding down. Then they realized they didn't know how to actually build a fucking house, so they just walked away from the gutted structure with a "good luck!" to the people who lived there.
It's symbolic of their inability to govern.
Yet they continue to convince people that they can. It's amazing to watch.
balladofwindfishes
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Fenderputty
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Systematic polling errors affected us all, man.
BlastProcessing
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Interesting: @SenatorBurr says he'll miss the WH lunch today because he's not visiting the WH while his Russia investigation is underway.
Do I detect the faint whiff of integrity?
Interesting: @SenatorBurr says he'll miss the WH lunch today because he's not visiting the WH while his Russia investigation is underway.
Do I detect the faint whiff of integrity?
BoogieWoogie
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Well no because he'll still vote for the bill regardless.
RumbleHumble
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That's fair. What I mean to say is that I'm trying to avoid confirmation bias internally. Critical analysis of polling data and the context from which it was created is highly important in understanding what a given poll means (if anything at all). That being said, I'm working on reversing my internal instinct to look for reasons to tear a poll apart simply because it doesn't adhere to my own beliefs about what is actually going on around me.
Again, 2016 was rough.
excelsiorlef
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Yeah, it's not all trending well... Republicans and Trump supporters are still more likely than Democrats and Trump opposers to vote in the 2018 midterms....
https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/887649090602971138
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