https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/...ey-to-trumps-finances-faces-new-scrutiny.html
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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I like Made in America Week.
Futurevoid
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Sad to read about McCain. I've joked about his lack of maverick status the last few years but the man is a war hero and I truly believe that he loves this country. I hope he recovers and is in good health soon.
whyamihere
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It's a political thread where we talk politics and ramifications. He's probably going to have to step down even if he recovers.
Autodidact
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Yes. We don't do vote-by-proxy, and government is always ancient when it comes to technology, so no tele-voting either.
Also, I would guess Trump made that foreboding comment about his finances in the NYT interview because he knew or suspected the Deutsche Bank story was coming.
whyamihere
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Anyways, if McCain doesn't resign, he's basically handicapping Republicans since we don't do votes by proxy to a slimmer 51-48 majority.
aspiegamer
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Trump's only go-to bank is cooperating with the feds? Neat. That's a back door into investigating Russian money being moved around, too.
Every week needs an awesome and inspirational name so that we keep getting great runs of news like this. There's actually too much to evaluate for one news cycle today! That NYT interview is nuts enough on its own. Sessions is a coward if he doesn't resign after reading his boss throw him under the bus like that.
Every week needs an awesome and inspirational name so that we keep getting great runs of news like this. There's actually too much to evaluate for one news cycle today! That NYT interview is nuts enough on its own. Sessions is a coward if he doesn't resign after reading his boss throw him under the bus like that.
balladofwindfishes
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Doesn't it take a month or two to appoint replacements?
Seems like problems for the GOP just got a lot worse.
Seems like problems for the GOP just got a lot worse.
It was strategically dumb for Hitler and Stalin to kill their intellectual undesirables or chase them out of the country, they still did it.
Autodidact
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Well, yes, because the governor has to interview potential replacements, the person appointed has to get his or her affairs in order, etc. And then we have the recess, abridged though it may be, approaching anyway.
Seems to me that the earliest they could resume "normal" business would be after Labor Day.
In an ideal scenario that involves McCain resigning soon, that is.
balladofwindfishes
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I don't think McCain will resign before the recess.
neurosisxeno
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It varies from state to state doesn't it?
Brawndo Addict
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Unfortunately I think McCain's historical legacy was sealed when he picked Palin for VP (even if you ignore everything after that point). You could argue he was just trying to survive in the face of a rapidly changing and extremist republican electorate but nobody admires politicians for abandoning their principles out of short-sighted self-interest. Cancer is terrible and everyone deserves to die with dignity, but it doesn't erase ones past. I wish him the love and comfort of family/friends and a peaceful passing, but it doesn't mean I have to respect him or his choices.
McCain probably doesn't give a damn that Trump's legislative agenda is fucked for the foreseeable future, especially since his office had a hand in passing along the Steele Dossier.
Would the two senate seats stay on the same track from then on? Or is it a partial term to stagger again?
Partial term.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's all going to depend on his prognosis and what treatment he gets.
He certainly would be able to continue working for a while if that's what he wants to do.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Honestly, McCain should have retired from politics and become a member of the private sector after 2000, he could have continued to be his original mavericky self in the press without having to cater to an increasingly shitty electorate. Giving up the behavior that created the image of you people actually liked because you lost to George fucking Bush is pretty shameful.
AntraxSuicide
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I hope he lives as long as he can, but he'll most definitely vacate the seat. Chemo is hard (my mom went through it, as did my grandfather); even if he was healthy and young, it'd be tough to keep working. But with his age and the severity of the diagnosis, even if he beats it, he'll need time off.
Do senators keep their health insurance after they leave? :|
Thanks! It would be weird if they aligned forever so that makes sense.
skullmuffins
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Link: https://apnews.com/4b4b7e380f204b45...'s-embrace-of-Russia-making-top-advisers-wary
Not great when Trump is ignoring the concerns of his national security team vis-à-vis Russia.
balladofwindfishes
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Yes, but I think there's a minimum years of service limit (which McCain obviously hits). He also has vet insurance, and Medicare, so he'll be fine as far as insurance goes.
Fenderputty
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This is where I am.
Dubbedinenglish
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It's the best themed week yet!
Shit, that's scary. I for one hope he doesn't retire anytime soon. Say what you will about McCain but his replacement will be a guaranteed downgrade. Would the appointment last through his original term ? He just got reelected so that would really suck
It's terrifying to me how you can go in for a non-life-threatening surgery and come out learning you have brain cancer
I thought Conryns comments that "more on McCain's health will be released on Friday" or whatever was strange and now I know why
ItWasMeantToBe19
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McCain is probably going to die in the next 12 months, guys... Of course he's going to resign.
Hope his last days can be as good as possible.
Hope his last days can be as good as possible.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
One of my grandfathers died of a glioblastoma. It's rough. Hope he has peace, comfort, and can enjoy the rest of his days.
Ah--knew I forgot something. Thanks for the link.
Ah--knew I forgot something. Thanks for the link.
whyamihere
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Yeah, it's not really a question of if, but when.
I know someone who died from a glioblastoma and they still worked for a good year or so after diagnosis. He is unlikely to live through his term but that doesn't make resignation necessarily imminent
balladofwindfishes
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Wouldn't he want to spend as much time as possible with his family? Being a senator takes a ton of time, it's not a regular 9-5 where you still have plenty of home time.
AntraxSuicide
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No, just until the next midterm. Which means both AZ seats would be open next year.
And yeah @IWMTB19's post, McCain most certainly won't want to push himself to finish a term that's just started. Maybe he'd try if he was up for reelection next year so he could finish up and retire that way, but he isn't going to try for a full 6 years.
If Sessions quits he won't get to do the racism so he probably won't resign :/
I don't like that he voted for Sessions AT ALL but honestly he has done a great job with pretty much every televised appearance I've seen him do.
What an awful fate to spend your last years on earth with the chucklefucks in the republican house and senate.
StopMakingSense
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Teddy stayed in office up until his death.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Pretty much, though writing fanfic in my head of him saying "fuck it" and deciding to use his last months undoing Trump by tanking votes in the Senate, Ikiru-style, has been moderately enjoyable.
That's pretty much due entirely to wanting to make sure healthcare got done, it was his signature issue.
If I'm Mueller I'm calling up my #2 and saying that's the next place we're gonna look.
Carpe Libertatem
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He's probably loving the fact that he gets to run under a Trump presidency. Gives him so much more freedom that he didn't have under Obama and wouldn't have had under Hillary.
Autodidact
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Yeah, Manchin knows his state and knows how to play the game. He has the best chance of any of our red-staters besides maybe Baldwin.
Most of that time is fundraising etc for reelection though. If you just want to vote on things and go on Sunday shows it doesn't take much. I imagine he will not want to do the latter due to his deteriorating appearance though. Really it's a sad situation, not how I wanted him to go out
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Trump being President feels like Tommy Wiseau trying to direct House of Cards.
AntraxSuicide
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Looking at a 2003 study on it, he's got about a 70% chance of making it a little less than 12 months, with aggressive treatment including surgery. It's still his choice of course, but if I read that sentence (given that his career and life means that his family doesn't need him to keep going to work), I'd be retiring within a fortnight and I'd be spending that time with family.
edit: Oh fuck, I misread the chart. His odds with all of that treatment is actually less than 50%, and that's assuming surgery doesn't present any neurological problems. If it does (or if he can't do surgery), his odds of hitting a year are only 28%.
balladofwindfishes
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Me either. I wanted him to not run for another term and the Democrats to grab his old seat for the rest of time.
Winning (possibly) it next year, rather than in 6 years, feels weird.
Aaron Strife
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Sucks about McCain
Ok who's running in his seat
Sinema and Stanton should play heads or tails for which one they each run in. I don't think we win both though but it's probably an easier lift than beating Cruz.
Ok who's running in his seat
Sinema and Stanton should play heads or tails for which one they each run in. I don't think we win both though but it's probably an easier lift than beating Cruz.
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