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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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He comes by to Diablos, don't mind him. This is a venting outlet for him.
What? Diablos? You're confusing me with someone else.
Atomic Playboy
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Then I say let them burn.
That's all well and good until their flames take us with them. You think the AHCA is only going to affect red states?
benicillin
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I'm encouraged by the SC results. I don't think the GOP can replicate the narrow GA win when they will be busy defending in so many places. The high profile race consolidated their attention.
Too bad, Ossof ran a good campaign. Now to take a few days off while everyone overanalyzes the results before the news cycle shifts back to the Trumpsterfire.
Too bad, Ossof ran a good campaign. Now to take a few days off while everyone overanalyzes the results before the news cycle shifts back to the Trumpsterfire.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm encouraged by the SC results. I don't think the GOP can replicate the narrow GA win when they will be busy defending in so many places. The high profile race consolidated their attention.
Too bad, Ossof ran a good campaign. Now to take a few days off while everyone overanalyzes the results before the news cycle shifts back to the Trumpsterfire.
Thursday is when the healthcare bill hits the public and the fireworks start
neurosisxeno
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That's all well and good until their flames take us with them. You think the AHCA is only going to affect red states?
I'm thinking it does so much damage to the Republican Party they can't win a city counsel seat in any swing states. But honestly, at this point I just don't care. These people are either too stupid or too delusional to see that the GOP is pillaging the country and running it straight into the ground, so I hope they are successful. And that in the process they damage their image so badly that people would rather live in Saudi Arabia than under a Republican President/Congress/Governor/etc.
The Technomancer
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Man I thought maybe there was a chance on this one
I get that this is still a great result for future things to come
But I let myself hope for some slice of victory for a couple of hours
I get that this is still a great result for future things to come
But I let myself hope for some slice of victory for a couple of hours
BoogieWoogie
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Imagine the great ideas the GOP has moving forward knowing that Trump's garbage and the AHCA don't mean dick to their voters.
I'm thinking it does so much damage to the Republican Party they can't win a city counsel seat in any swing states. But honestly, at this point I just don't care. These people are either too stupid or too delusional to see that the GOP is pillaging the country and running it straight into the ground, so I hope they are successful. And that in the process they damage their image so badly that people would rather live in Saudi Arabia than under a Republican President/Congress/Governor/etc.
Meh. These are the same people willing to send the soldiers they ostensibly love(their parents, spouses, kids, etc) into battle on a lie then reelect the asshats who tricked them.
They don't care.
smokeandmirrors
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Fucking republicans.
Worthless. Garbage.
Worthless. Garbage.
Autodidact
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So some hot takeaways from the last few special elections:
*Republicans should be scared no matter what the doomsayers on this forum say.
*Bernie Sanders shouldn't endorse anyone except perhaps in Hawaii or California.
*National publicity works against Democratic candidates, so try to keep it local.
*Invest a little bit everywhere, because even goddamn South Carolina can surprise you.
*Republicans should be scared no matter what the doomsayers on this forum say.
*Bernie Sanders shouldn't endorse anyone except perhaps in Hawaii or California.
*National publicity works against Democratic candidates, so try to keep it local.
*Invest a little bit everywhere, because even goddamn South Carolina can surprise you.
Man I thought maybe there was a chance on this one
I get that this is still a great result for future things to come
But I let myself hope for some slice of victory for a couple of hours
We're here to hug you if you need it fam.
Again, echoing my earlier statement, libs/lefties/socialists lose more than they win. Got to just get used to it but not accept defeat and just keep trying to push up the hill.
And yeah, that SC result so far is legit cray cray.
The Technomancer
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Imagine the great ideas the GOP has moving forward knowing that Trump's garbage and the AHCA don't mean dick to their voters.
The thing is, it probably does. The ACHA is almost certainly a chain around their necks and they're too stupid to realize it. A victory here might have been a shot across the bow that would scare a few of the fucks off before it even passes though
balladofwindfishes
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Imagine the great ideas the GOP has moving forward knowing that Trump's garbage and the AHCA don't mean dick to their voters.
I'd hope they'd look at South Carolina and start sweating. A smart party who actually wanted to stay in power would do so.
They don't have the resources to recreate the Georgian election in 2018 in every district. And a district left to its own devices swung like 10 points. Which is really bad for the GOP.
Imagine the great ideas the GOP has moving forward knowing that Trump's garbage and the AHCA don't mean dick to their voters.
I mean, it's not hurting them yet.
Look how many years the republicans in Kansas put up with brownback's shit before they voted in slightly less awful republicans.
Policy doesn't mean anything to them, results and them personally hurting do.
MetalGearZed
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Fucking Handel. That same sex parents thing still pisses me off.
Bonen no Max'd
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NYT has Ossoff down by 5 right now and all of DeKalb is in
I was joking about him losing by six but is it possible?
I was joking about him losing by six but is it possible?
So some hot takeaways from the last few special elections:
*Republicans should be scared no matter what the doomsayers on this forum say.
*Bernie Sanders shouldn't endorse anyone except perhaps in Hawaii or California.
*National publicity works against Democratic candidates, so try to keep it local.
*Invest a little bit everywhere, because even goddamn South Carolina can surprise you.
This is what I'm taking out of this. Thankfully when we enter mid-term times, national attention on individual house seats should be minimized except for the big-wigs (i.e. Paul Ryan).
neurosisxeno
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Fucking Handel. That same sex parents thing still pisses me off.
It's sad that a decent Democratic Candidate in most places can't win to a literally terrible Republican Candidate. Handel said so much backwards as regressive crap, that I hope in 2018 she gets crushed in a wave election.
VendettaRed07
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It's totally possible.NYT has Ossoff down by 5 right now and all of DeKalb is in
I was joking about him losing by six but is it possible?
But don't worry the party is deploying a great strategy by ignoring all other races and dumping all their hopes into this one. They know exactly what they are doing.
BoogieWoogie
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NYT has Ossoff down by 5 right now and all of DeKalb is in
I was joking about him losing by six but is it possible?
If he loses by six, I'm never trusting a poll again. Fuck this shit.
Box of Kittens
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I'm encouraged by the SC results. I don't think the GOP can replicate the narrow GA win when they will be busy defending in so many places. The high profile race consolidated their attention.
Too bad, Ossof ran a good campaign. Now to take a few days off while everyone overanalyzes the results before the news cycle shifts back to the Trumpsterfire.
One effect of how elevated GA-6 became is that both sides were energized. Among the many reasons why we shouldn't have too narrow of a focus in 2018. We should clearly target suburban Sun Belt seats but we shouldn't just target those seats. We're seeing significant swings from 2016 in our direction pretty much everywhere.
The Technomancer
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I'm going to go buy another box of cheez its
So some hot takeaways from the last few special elections:
*Republicans should be scared no matter what the doomsayers on this forum say.
*Bernie Sanders shouldn't endorse anyone except perhaps in Hawaii or California.
*National publicity works against Democratic candidates, so try to keep it local.
*Invest a little bit everywhere, because even goddamn South Carolina can surprise you.
*Run candidates who aren't afraid to show some damn personality and who look like they care about the results of this.
*Realize that we aren't just in a policy fight. We are in a war for the very culture of America. And we need to do whatever it takes to make people on our side realize that.
Bonen no Max'd
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goldfish are better imo, they've gotten me through hard timesI'm going to go buy another box of cheez its
The Technomancer
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It's totally possible.
But don't worry the party is deploying a great strategy by ignoring all other races and dumping all their hopes into this one. They know exactly what they are doing.
I mean at this point it sounds like everyone both wants the Dems to invest heavily important races, but also invest widely in a spectrum of races. Do we want both? Cause that's...uhm that's going to take money.
This is what I'm taking out of this. Thankfully when we enter mid-term times, national attention on individual house seats should be minimized except for the big-wigs (i.e. Paul Ryan).
For some reason it seems national attention works against Dems. That's probably going to be the big takeaway on both sides.
Box of Kittens
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I mean, it's not hurting them yet.
Look how many years the republicans in Kansas put up with brownback's shit before they voted in slightly less awful republicans.
Policy doesn't mean anything to them, results and them personally hurting do.
Brownback's vote cratered between 2010 and 2014 but he still hung on because he won by 30 points the first time. Trump did not win by 30 points in 2016.
ShadowSwordmaster
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We're screwed no matter what happens it seems.
Carpe Libertatem
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Just run millionaire Wall St execs like Parnell who can self fund and don't need money from the party
goldfish are better imo, they've gotten me through hard times
I second this, you go with any flavor to yours or just go straight up?
It's totally possible.
But don't worry the party is deploying a great strategy by ignoring all other races and dumping all their hopes into this one. They know exactly what they are doing.
It's bad if the party invests heavy in the race, it's bad if the party is hands off on the race. DNC just can't catch a break!
The Technomancer
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For some reason it seems national attention works against Dems. That's probably going to be the big takeaway on both sides.
Republicans get scared. Democrats don't
Autodidact
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For some reason it seems national attention works against Dems. That's probably going to be the big takeaway on both sides.
Right, but as someone upthread said, even if Republicans wanted to "nationalize" every election, they can't because they'll have hundreds of separate elections to run and fund next year. There might be some high-profile cases, but people will largely care about and donate within their own districts.
Bonen no Max'd
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just straight up, it's how I eat 99% of things lolI second this, you go with any flavor to yours or just go straight up?
balladofwindfishes
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So if your a republican and you won by less than 20% you should be worried I guess?
So like all of them lol?
Didn't Paul Ryan win by 6% or something?
just straight up, it's how I eat 99% of things lol
Okay okay, I sometimes go for the cheddar or pizza-style ones.
There are no other races! (til '18)It's totally possible.
But don't worry the party is deploying a great strategy by ignoring all other races and dumping all their hopes into this one. They know exactly what they are doing.
I'd hope they'd look at South Carolina and start sweating. A smart party who actually wanted to stay in power would do so.
They don't have the resources to recreate the Georgian election in 2018 in every district. And a district left to its own devices swung like 10 points. Which is really bad for the GOP.
I honestly did not expect the SC result. I thought that was supposed to be an easy win for the GOP. I wonder what happened...
The Technomancer
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Hot take: every hot take will fit with what the person giving it wants to believe
Yeah get ready for everything between now and Thursday to be nothing but "the Dems are losing these races because they aren't doing exactly what I would like them to do"
So like all of them lol?
Didn't Paul Ryan win by 6% or something?
People are gonna be so sad when Randy Bryce loses.
So like all of them lol?
Didn't Paul Ryan win by 6% or something?
I don't know about Paul Ryan's area, but yeah. He seems likely to lose his district next year based on his previous winning margins.
Autodidact
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So if your a republican and you won by less than 20% you should be worried I guess?
Eh, that depends on a variety of factors. If you, a Republican, won by less than 10% you should be scared because even incumbency advantage might not help. Republican incumbents who won by 15%+ might survive depending on their particular districts' leanings. For open seats, anything R+10 and below will be a fight.
Republicans get scared. Democrats don't
Exactly.
Kyle Kondik‏ @kkondik 21m21 minutes ago
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Time to retire the idea that high turnout is always good for Dems - SC-5 margin a pleasant surprise for them w/ low turnout
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while GA-6 appears to have high turnout for a special and appears to be a disappointment
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