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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)

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Particle Physicist

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soul creator said:
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:lok the fuck? its like a ghost that only appeared once the video footage was replayed!
 
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Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
Cloudy said:
I'm pretty liberal too but I don't think gay couples should be allowed to adopt young children either. It depends on if you believe sexual orientation can be learned or not though lol

I personally think a young boy growing up with 2 dads has a good chance of being gay..same with a little girl and 2 moms...
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i have to look up some info because its been a while since ive read about this, but im pretty sure that statistically it makes no difference at all.
 
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So "political scientists" can't agree on anything because of their own bias. Whee indeed.

WTF is political science anyway. Didn't know you could measure bullshit.
 
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ZealousD

Makes world leading predictions like "The sun will rise tomorrow"
StoOgE said:
A Southern or Midwestern evangellical (think Dan Quayle but not mentally retarded) would scare me a good deal more.
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Soooo... Huckabee?
 
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Diablos

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mckmas8808 said:
lulz

So Obama has to do 100% what McCain does now?
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Uhh, what? Is that what they're going to do now that he's gone to Iraq and ended their ability to be critical of him over that? "Well, Obama hasn't gone to _____ and talked to _____ like McCain has, LOL!" Truly pathetic.

The countdown clock on the McCain site has gone from Iraq to... townhalls. Yeah, ok. Because it's so expected to have a string of 10 townhall meetings right after you win the primary. People aren't going to fall for that.

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maximum360

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The case made for Tim Kaine: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6549608

Looks like a strong possibility now considering Obama's recent statements:

1) Born in Minnesota, raised in Missouri , and lives in Virginia

2) Catholic - serious enough to "a year-long break during law school to work with the Jesuit order as a Catholic missionary in Honduras."

3) Governing experience - City Council, Mayor, Lieutenant Governor, Governor

4) Fluent in Spanish

5) Wife is a Juvenile Court Judge and is the daughter of a Virginia Governor
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
ZealousD said:
Soooo... Huckabee?
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Im not sure Huckabee passes my qualification of not mentally retarded. It cant be a super hard core evangelical, a more moderate one. Like one that doesnt think the world is 6K years old or that we should close the IRS for good.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Mandark said:
My guess is that McCain intuits that privately provided services are always more efficient than publicly provided services. Just add the power of market competition and voila!
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yeah, there is nothing like removing a group of people that are advocates for our troops safety, are well versed to look for signs of depresssion, PTSD, etc. and operate to take care of our vets rather than turn a profit... and then releasing our troops to hospitals that are designed to turn a profit.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
maximum360 said:
The case made for Tim Kaine: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6549608

Looks like a strong possibility now considering Obama's recent statements:

1) Born in Minnesota, raised in Missouri , and lives in Virginia

2) Catholic - serious enough to "a year-long break during law school to work with the Jesuit order as a Catholic missionary in Honduras."

3) Governing experience - City Council, Mayor, Lieutenant Governor, Governor

4) Fluent in Spanish

5) Wife is a Juvenile Court Judge and is the daughter of a Virginia Governor
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I've been big on Kaine for a very long time. There are others I like more, but the guy fits all of Obama's criterea and doesnt bring many negatives to the campaign... and you have to figure as a long time political figure he has been vetted heavily... plus he cant run again for Governor.
 
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Cheebs

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StoOgE said:
I've been big on Kaine for a very long time. There are others I like more, but the guy fits all of Obama's criterea and doesnt bring many negatives to the campaign... and you have to figure as a long time political figure he has been vetted heavily... plus he cant run again for Governor.
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He also fit's Obama's message and style. He is young, outside of washington, and a reformer image. He fits the change message VERY much unlike Biden or Bayh.

Clinton when he ran on change and youth in 92 picked Gore who fit his style exactly, a lot of the media were confused he didnt pick someone with a lot of DC experience or foreign policy cred. Clinton instead of filling gaps in his apparent flaws decided to double down on his positives. In the end it was a genius move that reinforced his message. Kaine would do the same for Obama.
 
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maximum360

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StoOgE said:
I've been big on Kaine for a very long time. There are others I like more, but the guy fits all of Obama's criterea and doesnt bring many negatives to the campaign... and you have to figure as a long time political figure he has been vetted heavily... plus he cant run again for Governor.
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Oddly enough, he's rarely mentioned (at least I hardly hear his name mentioned).
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Cheebs said:
Really? He has always been on the top-tier of his potential picks for months now in the media.
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I think part of the problem is he was playing second fiddle to Jim Webb until Webb removed himself from the running. So kaine while always mentioned was more of a passing mention until recently.
 
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Learn2read

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To all the "Librul media luuvs Obama" whiners from earlier in the thread:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-onthemedia27-2008jul27,0,712999.story

In study, evidence of liberal-bias bias

Cable talking heads accuse broadcast networks of liberal bias -- but a think tank finds that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Barack Obama than on John McCain in recent weeks.
By JAMES RAINEY, ON THE MEDIA
July 27, 2008

Haters of the mainstream media reheated a bit of conventional wisdom last week.

Barack Obama, they said, was getting a free ride from those insufferable liberals.

* Challenges await Barack Obama at home

* John McCain supports expansion of Americans With Disabilities Act

* John McCain slams Barack Obama for canceling on the troops

(mamacint note - I didn't edit out those titles to the links because I think it pretty much underscores the story)

Such pronouncements, sorry to say, tend to be wrong since they describe a monolithic media that no longer exists. Information today cascades from countless outlets and channels, from the Huffington Post to Politico.com to CBS News and beyond.

But now there's additional evidence that casts doubt on the bias claims aimed -- with particular venom -- at three broadcast networks.

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.

You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.

During the evening news, the majority of statements from reporters and anchors on all three networks are neutral, the center found. And when network news people ventured opinions in recent weeks, 28% of the statements were positive for Obama and 72% negative.

Network reporting also tilted against McCain, but far less dramatically, with 43% of the statements positive and 57% negative, according to the Washington-based media center.

Conservatives have been snarling about the grotesque disparity revealed by another study, the online Tyndall Report, which showed Obama receiving more than twice as much network air time as McCain in the last month and a half. Obama got 166 minutes of coverage in the seven weeks after the end of the primary season, compared with 67 minutes for McCain, according to longtime network-news observer Andrew Tyndall.

I wrote last week that the networks should do more to better balance the air time. But I also suggested that much of the attention to Obama was far from glowing.

That earned a spasm of e-mails that described me as irrational, unpatriotic and . . . somehow . . . French.

But the center's director, Robert Lichter, who has won conservative hearts with several of his previous studies, told me the facts were the facts.

"This information should blow away this silly assumption that more coverage is always better coverage," he said.

Here's a bit more on the research, so you'll understand how the communications professor and his researchers arrived at their conclusions.

The center reviews and "codes" statements on the evening news as positive or negative toward the candidates. For example, when NBC reporter Andrea Mitchell said in June that Obama "has problems" with white men and suburban women, the media center deemed that a negative.

The positive and negative remarks about each candidate are then totaled to calculate the percentages that cut for and against them.

Visual images and other more subjective cues are not assessed. But the tracking applies a measure of analytical rigor to a field rife with seat-of-the-pants fulminations.

The media center's most recent batch of data covers nightly newscasts beginning June 8, the day after Hillary Rodham Clinton conceded the Democratic nomination, ushering in the start of the general-election campaign. The data ran through Monday, as Obama began his overseas trip.

Most on-air statements during that time could not be classified as positive or negative, Lichter said. The study found, on average, less than two opinion statements per night on the candidates on all three networks combined -- not exactly embracing or pummeling Obama or McCain. But when a point of view did emerge, it tended to tilt against Obama.

That was a reversal of the trend during the primaries, when the same researchers found that 64% of statements about Obama -- new to the political spotlight -- were positive, but just 43% of statements about McCain were positive.

uch reversals are nothing new in national politics, as reporters tend to warm up to newcomers, then turn increasingly critical when such candidates emerge as front-runners.

It might be tempting to discount the latest findings by Lichter's researchers. But this guy is anything but a liberal toady.

In 2006, conservative cable showmen Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly had Lichter, a onetime Fox News contributor, on their programs. They heralded his findings in the congressional midterm election: that the networks were giving far more positive coverage to the Democrats.

More proof of the liberal domination of the media, Beck and O'Reilly declared.

Now the same researchers have found something less palatable to those conspiracy theorists.

But don't expect cable talking heads to end their trashing of the networks.

Repeated assertions that the networks are in the tank for Democrats represent not only an article of faith on Fox, but a crucial piece of branding. On Thursday night, O'Reilly and his trusty lieutenant Bernard Goldberg worked themselves into righteous indignation -- again -- about the liberal bias they knew was lurking.

Goldberg seemed gleeful beyond measure in saying that "they're fiddling while their ratings are burning."

O'Reilly assured viewers that "the folks" -- whom he claims to treasure far more than effete network executives do -- "understand what's happening."

By the way, Lichter's group also surveys the first half-hour of "Special Report With Brit Hume," Fox News' answer to the network evening news shows.

The review found that, since the start of the general-election campaign, "Special Report" offered more opinions on the two candidates than all three networks combined.

No surprise there. Previous research has shown Fox News to be opinion-heavy.

"Special Report" was tougher than the networks on Obama -- with 79% of the statements about the Democrat negative, compared with 61% negative on McCain.

There's plenty of room for questioning the networks' performance and watching closely for symptoms of Obamamania.

But could we at least remain focused on what ABC, NBC and CBS actually put on the air, rather than illusions that their critics create to puff themselves up?
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tanod

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Watched Fox for about 20 seconds this weekend and they said that Obama cancelled the visit to the hospital in Germany so he could go to the gym. No mention of the DOD saying anything about the fact that they believed it would be inappropriate for him to visit.
 
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gcubed

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tanod said:
Watched Fox for about 20 seconds this weekend and they said that Obama cancelled the visit to the hospital in Germany so he could go to the gym. No mention of the DOD saying anything about the fact that they believed it would be inappropriate for him to visit.
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fox caters to people who wont vote for him.

This fact makes me shake my head when i see so many mccain ads and repub 527 ads on fox news. Unless they got those spots for free, they are wasting money on the wrong channel
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Amarnath said:
Maybe a little late but this column reflects about what i feel about the campaign

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6d7ecea6-5bf5-11dd-9e99-000077b07658.html
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Thats a good article, but I dont think he puts enough blame on the press. The Candidates run the campaigns they do because that is what the media covers. You try and give a long speech detailing policy positions (both of them have) and it gets overlooked or at best small sound bites are played.

the problem is the press has become nothing but talking heads handicapping the presidential race and not discussing actual news or policies.
 
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StoOgE said:
Thats a good article, but I dont think he puts enough blame on the press. The Candidates run the campaigns they do because that is what the media covers. You try and give a long speech detailing policy positions (both of them have) and it gets overlooked or at best small sound bites are played.

the problem is the press has become nothing but talking heads handicapping the presidential race and not discussing actual news or policies.
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I would of used the same basic words but in slightly different order.

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Instigator

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It ain't over until the fat lady sings, but polls after polls, Obama does consistently better than McCain, even if close to the margin of error. More telling is when you factor in third-party candidates and how the electoral college is likely to look like and McCain, to put mildly, has his work cut out for him.

I know there are 3 months to go and there could still be an October surprise, but hypothetically, do you believe had the Republican primary system chosen Huckabee, Giugliani (*vomits*) or especially Romney, maybe the race would have been a tad closer and more exciting at this point?

The McCain campaign looks more and more like the tired Bob Dole campaign of 96.
 
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Tamanon

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Huckabee would've been tough, really tough. You really couldn't tie him to Bush effectively at all and the populist tone of his campaign would've kept it closer.
 
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Instigator said:
It ain't over until the fat lady sings, but polls after polls, Obama does consistently better than McCain, even if close to the margin of error. More telling is when you factor in third-party candidates and how the electoral college is likely to look like and McCain, to put mildly, has his work cut out for him.

I know there are 3 months to go and there could still be an October surprise, but hypothetically, do you believe had the Republican primary system chosen Huckabee, Giugliani (*vomits*) or especially Romney, maybe the race would have been a tad closer and more exciting at this point?

The McCain campaign looks more and more like the tired Bob Dole campaign of 96.
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Let's be honest, his campaign looks worse than Dole's to this point. Much worse.

BTW, why are you a junior member? PEACE.
 
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Mumei

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So, I know that Fox News was created with the intent of being a conservative counterpoint to the perceived liberal bias among other mainstream news outlets, but I was wondering if there was a good place where I could find some sort of history of the channel, examples of bias, even studies regarding bias in that channel compared with others.
 
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-- Veep Timing: The CW was that neither candidate could name their running mate during the Olympics. But with Obama planning a week vacation sometime in August, now the betting is he'll either name his running mate just before he leaves for vacation (sort of odd, but it would allow a week's worth of attention ONLY on the running mate) or he'll announce just after (meaning, second week of Olympics?). It may be tough to break through the Olympics (especially if something unexpected happens), but if there is one political story that could break through, it would be a VP pick. As for McCain, the backseat driving advisers -- those who don't work for McCain but send him advice through the media -- are saying that waiting is still the best bet for the candidate who holds so few timing cards.
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APF said:
lol, we already talked about this article in this very thread, dude
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Yet you still argue against verifiable facts, lols...troll-total.

Your arguements are getting weaker and weaker, King Media, your Highness.
 
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Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Did McCain's website rip off Obama's website's typeface wholesale? The visual style is such that I thought it was an Obama graphic talking about how long its been since Obama said, "Yes, I'll do townhalls and McCain hasn't done them yet."

WTF is up with this campaign...it's almost like a joke at this point. The only reason they're still afloat is because the media has ignored them.
 
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Learn2read

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APF said:
WTF are you talking about? Your trolling here is hilarious, if you actually bothered to read.
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Whaaa, whaaa...media <3 <3 <3's Hussein Obama! Unfair!!!, etc.

Anyways, I'm off to work and not gonna follow up on this, because it's a waste of my time and I've got better things to do.

Feel free to get the last word in bud.
 
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