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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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The Lamonster
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:OAmir0x said:
Tyrone Slothrop
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Tim-E said:
Karma Kramer
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So Obama basically doing really well right now huh?
The Lamonster
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Over 9,000 electoral votes!
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CharlieDigital said:
I don't see how you can watch something like that and not be moved. I teared up too.
artredis1980
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Chichikov said:
oh yes he is
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0908/Brokaw_pushes_OprahPalin_story.html
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3601
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/sep/25/e26speechweb/
I can bring other sources too
The Librarian
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IT'S OVER TWWWOOOO HUUNNNDDDRRREEEED AND SSSSEEEVVVVVEEENNNNTTTYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Tim-E said:
The Lamonster
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I bet Palin will do better than you think.Y2Kev said:
PoliGAF is going to be crushed if Palin doesn't implode on stage. The media will totally be all shock and awe and "she has removed clearly any doubts that she could be president in-worst-case" if they don't have a story of her epic collapse to cover, so she better make big mistakes!
Karma Kramer
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Amir0x said:
I agree... I think she will do better then expected which in turn will give her a win or tie...
At the same time though... can you imagine the amount of pressure she has right now. Thats got to have an effect on ones confidence.
The Lamonster said:
Yes she will. It's like her RNC speech where after 4 days of lowered expectations she came out with a bang. She is not going to implode and she will land a few scripted jabs on Obama and Biden. Neither she nor the McCain campaign are going to implode after the debate, it's just wishful thinking.
Edit: Edited for less stupidity and more sense.
ezekial45 said:
Do you really believe the woman in those interviews is capable of going toe to toe with Joe Biden for 90 minutes?
I think this is just Poli-gaf being the chicken littles that we are and assuming the worst out of everything.
Edit: this is nothing like her RNC speech. At that point there was no reason to believe she couldnt give a good speech, the arguements were she was not qualified. Reading a scripted speech written by a team of pros in front of 20K hard-core republicans and giving an interview/debate are two very different things.
You have to go off script and think on your feet and I have seen no evidence that she can do either when it comes to these national issues. She hasnt been focusing on them because she is a state governor, its not her fault. She is just in over her head. Its not like Dubya where he prepped for a year because he was running for president, she came out of left field with little to no prep.
starchild excalibur
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hot damn, indiana is slightly blue.
soul creator
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does Y2Kev's tag refer to the people that the right wing blames for the economic crisis?
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Seriously, have you followed the news or the political scene for 10 minutes?artredis1980 said:
Let's look at them one by one -
It is a rather unusual move for a talk show host to back up a candidate, and he asked Biden a fair question about the perception it might create. What did you expect him to ask? Hannity-esque queries like "Joe, just how awesome you are?"artredis1980 said:
What's wrong with this quote?artredis1980 said:
He's making a tactical political analysis, and a smart one, remember the shit-storm that Clark got into when he made a correct observation about McCain military record.
Most of GAF thought it was a smart tactical move as well; he was wrong about it (mainly because it was SOOOOOOO poorly managed by McCain and his surrogates), but being wrong does not equate bias.artredis1980 said:
Wait, I can bring them too -artredis1980 said:
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2003/fax20030903.asp
OMFG teh liberul!
The thing about Palin in the debates....
I have looked at her performance in the Alaska governers debate. She did really well there, and she always seemed to know all the pertinent issues very well. She was very combative and aggressive and absolutley held her own.
But here's the thing, in her interviews with the press since she was picked, you can see this look in her eyes that she doesn't know the issues at hand. This is not even remotley the same person you see in those alaskan debates. She was very well informed on the issues an alaskan governer would need to know, but she is absolutley NOT informed on the issues a vice president needs to know. This is not the type of person who has a great deal of curiosity about things beyond her immediate world and close-to-home problems.
How she does in the debate will depend on how much she can cram in a short period of time. I think it may be impossible for her to learn without 8 or 9 months of study. She is actually a very good debater, but obviously you can't win a debate if you don't know any of the important issues that well, especially against Biden, who is also a naturaly good debater.
I have looked at her performance in the Alaska governers debate. She did really well there, and she always seemed to know all the pertinent issues very well. She was very combative and aggressive and absolutley held her own.
But here's the thing, in her interviews with the press since she was picked, you can see this look in her eyes that she doesn't know the issues at hand. This is not even remotley the same person you see in those alaskan debates. She was very well informed on the issues an alaskan governer would need to know, but she is absolutley NOT informed on the issues a vice president needs to know. This is not the type of person who has a great deal of curiosity about things beyond her immediate world and close-to-home problems.
How she does in the debate will depend on how much she can cram in a short period of time. I think it may be impossible for her to learn without 8 or 9 months of study. She is actually a very good debater, but obviously you can't win a debate if you don't know any of the important issues that well, especially against Biden, who is also a naturaly good debater.
It's sad seeing posters here talking about McCain being a LION 
lol ) in foreign policy and OMG HE KNOWS HIS STUFF MAKE HIM SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PLEASE.
All he did was bullshit his way through and pretend to know what he was talking about, mentioning some foreign countries and leaders to make him look knowledgeable while telling Obama that he 'doesn't understand' or whatever, just repeating it over and over to stick with the idiots.
I guess all it takes is the appearance of having knowledge and wisdom, even from somebody who graduated at the near bottom of his class and did nothing but survive in the senate for decades with nothing special on his record. Oh wait, he was a former prisoner of war. What does that mean? That logic can't be used when talking about McCain. Even if he's running for president of the most powerful country in the world in one of the most dangerous and tumultuous times in recent history. What a dumb fucking world we live in.
If anything his story if refusing release unless everybody was released with him was most likely a calculated move for his future. The more I learn about McCain the more I suspect that was the case.
As for the debate in general, I think Obama failed pretty hard. I don't care what the polls say, he could have ripped McCain to shreds and he didn't. He didn't screw up though and that's something. Sigh.
Yeah they both messed up. The Republican Guard was from Iraq, the Iranians have the Revolutionary Guard.
lol ) in foreign policy and OMG HE KNOWS HIS STUFF MAKE HIM SECRETARY OF DEFENSE PLEASE. All he did was bullshit his way through and pretend to know what he was talking about, mentioning some foreign countries and leaders to make him look knowledgeable while telling Obama that he 'doesn't understand' or whatever, just repeating it over and over to stick with the idiots.
I guess all it takes is the appearance of having knowledge and wisdom, even from somebody who graduated at the near bottom of his class and did nothing but survive in the senate for decades with nothing special on his record. Oh wait, he was a former prisoner of war. What does that mean? That logic can't be used when talking about McCain. Even if he's running for president of the most powerful country in the world in one of the most dangerous and tumultuous times in recent history. What a dumb fucking world we live in.
If anything his story if refusing release unless everybody was released with him was most likely a calculated move for his future. The more I learn about McCain the more I suspect that was the case.
As for the debate in general, I think Obama failed pretty hard. I don't care what the polls say, he could have ripped McCain to shreds and he didn't. He didn't screw up though and that's something. Sigh.
Dot50Cal said:
Yeah they both messed up. The Republican Guard was from Iraq, the Iranians have the Revolutionary Guard.
My official prediction on Palin is: She doesn't completely fail, the failure that would have people throwing their remotes at their TVs and setting things on fire. She'll do alright in the context of the media not trashing her. Her favorability may improve... race remains in Obama's favor till next Presidential debate and we'll see what's going on.
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Just wanted to quote this for anyone who missed it in the barrage of fivethirtyeight graphs. I'm part way through the second section, and it's really good. Obama has gotten very good at quick, punchy answers that flesh out his positions well. He's much more confident than in comparable interviews during the primary.theviolenthero said:
Krowley said:
That is the exact problem. It may not be that she is dumb, she just doesnt know this stuff because even she said, she was focused on Alaskan issues.
Now she is trying to cram a shitload of new information in just a month. You can tell she was given talking point in these interviews, and she is trying to hit them all but they are coming off jumbled and messy. She is trying so hard to get them all they come out in a random order and there is no cohesiveness to her thoughts.
CharlieDigital
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Chrono said:It's sad seeing posters here talking about McCain being a LION
No.
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StoOgE said:
I've been saying this for quite some time but other board members insist that Brokaw only does what he does to counterbalance the likes of Keith O. and Maddow.....even though for a show such as MTP he should be totally impartial. Go figure.
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StoOgE said:
This doesn't even need to be discussed. The very fact that she has to cram says that:
- She is NOT ready for this position as McCain can keel over any day.
- She is NOT ready to have a role in international politics as we've seen Cheney perform recently in the Georgian conflict.
- She is NOT ready to do much of anything for the US. As she so stated herself, I would imagine her vice presidency being about how she can funnel even MORE government funds to Alaska.
- John McCain should NOT be allowed to attain the presidency for such a misguided choice and putting his own interests before that of the nation. We deserve a vice president that is versed in world affairs and understands the concerns of the country, not just his or her own state.
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