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[SRG01]

Just, ahem, acquired Dreams of my Father for research purposes...

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etc., sounds most of it is him quoting a friend.

Surprised he'd actually let himself get recorded saying that though.

:lol A bit off topic, but I totally disagree with Obama's friend. Asian guys have it worse than black men when it comes to the dating scene.

 

[Ether_Snake]

:lol A bit off topic, but I totally disagree with Obama's friend. Asian guys have it worse than black men when it comes to the dating scene.

Start making rap videos.

 

[Shiggie]

:lol A bit off topic, but I totally disagree with Obama's friend. Asian guys have it worse than black men when it comes to the dating scene.

maybe not in Hawaii.

 

[PhoenixDark]

:lol A bit off topic, but I totally disagree with Obama's friend. Asian guys have it worse than black men when it comes to the dating scene.

As a black dude I think we have it pretty damn good. Asian dudes are totally fucked, on the other hand

 

[SRG01]

Start making rap videos.

... We can't rap either. ;_;

 

[Imm0rt4l]

... We can't rap either. ;_;

what about Jin? and Tai Mai Shu?

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

what about Jin? and Tai Mai Shu?

Have you listened to them? They aren't exactly shining examples of good rappers :|

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

That is badass

 

[Maxwell House]

I very much doubt Palin does well in the debate at all. She really is as dumb and unprepared as she has looked so far.

 

[Gantz]

As a black dude I think we have it pretty damn good. Asian dudes are totally fucked, on the other hand

As an Asian guy who has no problems getting women of different ethnicities I think you're just feeding into the stereotype.

 

[Maxwell House]

Palin has had a shaky voice in all her post VP nomination interviews, which is a clear signal that she knows that she doesn't have a clue about the issues.

I doubt that changes before Thursday. I expect her to get slaughtered.

 

[Hootie]

I very much doubt Palin does well in the debate at all. She really is as dumb and unprepared as she has looked so far.

 

[CharlieDigital]

I've been horribly stressed out about the stock market, so I decided to do some research about the current situation and if there is an upside: THERE ISN'T. Bail out or not, I've come to the conclusion that America is really fucked. This is the beginning of the end for us. Obama can have all the hope he wants, but I think when he gets in, the burden will be too great. Some of you might laugh and say I'm being reactionary, and that's fine. I'd love to hear your take on it because you might have some bit of info I can draw some optimism from.

It just stuns me that a lot of people, like my friends and family really don't seem to have a clue about what's going on. It's like they're one-month slow. They think everything that happened last week is still just the Fannie and Freddie shit. They just don't get it.

George W. Bush and Bill Clinton and other scheming pieces of shit in DC and Wall Street have effectively taken the most powerful nation on Earth and turned it to shit. I'm sure that inspires so much confidence in other democratic free market countries. America is a whore. A big fucking whore, plain and simple. We are a joke, and our credibility, if we ever even had it, is gone for a very long time.

I'm not even sure why the fuck we're even arguing in this and other threads about the Right and Left. I can't even tell the difference anymore. All I know is that there is now a huge Socialistic push taking place, and it's happening with a Right wing cowboy in office. "Oh, but he had to do it!" Great, so "we're getting all the shitty parts of Socialism" like Bill Maher said.

All I know is that, save for a miracle, the dollar will be dumped, and the great and mighty America will be left floundering to its fate. But wait, we still have our military! Will we try to pull another Iraq to help project our so-called might? Or was that just Iraq to begin with?

I just hope everyone in this country pulls their goddamn heads out of their asses and realizes that pretty much everyone in charge of Washington and Wall Street are awful human beings that deserve nothing but the worst. The next decade is going to be rough, and I hope they have it even rougher.

Speaking of 9/11 conspiracy theories lol!), I came across this little gem of information when I was researching our current state of affairs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpWqdPMjmo

I'm not sure how I missed this originally, but if 2.3 trillion can somehow go unaccounted for, there's no telling what kind of corruption our government is responsible for. Nothing can be ruled out. This is a whorehouse nation and we're going to get what's coming to us. As much as I hate the scumbags at the top, we the people are lazy, fat and stupid, and we are just as guilty. I feel sick to my stomach thinking about how I even towed a party line. Why? For what? The bottom has fallen out and the house of cards is crashing down. We're a joke of country that doesn't produce shit and borrows money from China to fight a fucking joke of a war.

Congratulations, America, you big horrible slut.

I've been feeling this way for a month now...

Same here. I have no idea what the hell they were doing. Tied up with Al Qaeda?

Bin Laden achieved his goal from the outset. Why attack the World Trade Center of all buildings? It was symbolism of the collapse of the US as an economic superpower.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/09/18/osama-bin-ladens-dream-of-us-economic-collapse/

In November 2004, CNN reported that Bin Laden released a video monologue to Al-Jazeera where the terror-savvy, extreme fundamentalist announced plans to continue a “policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy” using similar tactics to those used when fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 80s, “guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers.”

Bin Laden bragged at the time that al Qaeda has found it “easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations.”

“And it all shows that the real loser is you,” Bin Laden said. “It is the American people and their economy.”

Bin Laden said of President Bush that “the darkness of black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.”​

And from CNN in 2004: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/

Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S.

"We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said.​

It's pretty amazing when you think about what's happened...it's all worked out as Bin Laden wanted.

 

[vitaflo]

So, what you're saying is, if she doesn't fall completely on her face, then that is better than expected?

I hate this notion that since expectations are so ridiculously low, anything other than a complete collapse is somehow a victory.

She didn't even speak to anyone after the first Presidential debate, which is customary, isn't it?

Everyone here is expecting her to fall flat on her face, so yes, if she doesn't she will do better than expected. Is this a victory? No. Even if she just gives generic answers and doesn't ramble incoherently, most independants will see her as being too vague. GAF on the other hand might have a meltdown given it's overreaction to everything.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

http://joshuatrevino.com/?p=675

From a right winger, courtesy of dailykos


He created the website RedState.com

It is therefore with an admixture of satisfaction and sorrow that I read Trevino's post today lashing McCain and admitting Obama won their first debate. Satisfaction because of the refreshing admission of the fact by one of the Right's few remaining straight shooters; sorrow because, as a fellow politico, I know much it must have pained him to write those words.

The whole thing is well-worth a read, and tough to cut-and-paste from. But I'll lift a few excerpts here:

Most shocking is the Democracy Corps survey which, though a Democratic outfit, stacked its focus group 2-1 with ‘04 George W. Bush voters — and yielded a plurality for an Obama win.

The bottom line is that John McCain did not accomplish what he needed to: discredit Barack Obama as a responsible steward of America’s fortunes abroad. A major theme of his campaign is Obama’s callowness and consequent unfitness to lead in wartime. The failure to expose this posited shallow grasp of the wider world — a remarkable proposition about a half-Kenyan raised in Indonesia anyway — is a serious erosion of credibility for McCain. To find a foundational proposition of one’s candidacy rendered ineffectual is a tremendous blow.

Josh is right: that's really the heart of the matter. It's not just that foreign policy is supposed to be McCain's strong suit, and that further debates won't be on as friendly a turf for him. It's that McCain again and again attempted to reinforce Obama's greatest negative in the minds of voters, and it completely backfired on him. Not only did Obama appear to be ready and presidential in spite of McCain's assertions to the contrary, McCain himself appeared to be condescending and provincial compared to Obama, whose very identity is one a multi-racial one drawing from a background and heritage which spans continents.

Josh goes on to say that the key turning point in the debate was Obama's verbal excoriation of McCain for being wrong on Iraq from the beginning. Not only did McCain set himself up for the hit by claiming to have superior judgment on the surge, he also had no ready comeback for what should have been an obvious line of attack from Obama. Says Josh:

In one swoop, the superiority of John McCain on foreign affairs was laid waste. An effective debater would have responded with a series of his foe’s own grievous errors in the same sphere — and despite his thin public record, Barack Obama has several. Instead, McCain lamely replied, "I’m afraid Senator Obama doesn’t understand the difference between a tactic and a strategy," and segued into a non sequitur about General Petraeus. To paraphrase Tallyrand, this was worse than a crime — it was a mistake. Assaulted on the very pillar of his candiacy, John McCain yielded.

Nor will he have a chance to get it back. The rest of the presidential debates (with the exception, perhaps, of a few townhall questions) will focus on the economy and domestic policy. If Sarah Palin is lucky, her vice-presidential debate with foreign affairs expert Joe Biden will have as few foreign policy questions as possible. This was John McCain's last real chance to discredit Obama's ability to keep America safe in the minds of American voters, and he blew it badly.

Of course, McCain's debate failure wouldn't have been such a big deal if it hadn't come in the wake of at least two weeks of bad press and even worse polling numbers for his campaign. Instead, McCain looked nasty and testy at a time when he could least afford to. After a couple of weeks marked by erratic inconsistency, McCain needed to show a warm and steady hand. Instead, he appeared snarly, off-center, angry and unable to look his opponent in the eye. It reinforced the image of McCain as an unpredictable loose cannon set to go off at any moment, without respect for either friends or opponents. Josh ends his post thus:

The larger story here is not the debate. Rather, it is the story of which the debate is merely the culminating chapter: the three-week-long implosion of the McCain campaign itself. At the end of the first week of September, that campaign boasted its first lead in the national polls, a surprisingly successful convention, and an energizing vice-presidential nominee. At the end of the last week of September, the lead is gone, the convention is forgotten, and Sarah Palin is more disaster than delight. How this happened demands exploration, and we’ll get to it next.

I'm looking forward to reading what he says next. His analysis of how Republicans got themselves into this mess is bound to be an eye-opener, and I'll be very interested to see what he has to say.

In the meantime, progressives can take heart: honest conservatives know who won this debate, and it wasn't McCain. Conservatives, too, should take heart that they still have guys like Joshua Trevino around to let them know when they're in trouble, and what they should do about it. If the Republicans had more like him and less like Krauthammer or Bill Kristol, they'd be in much better shape than they are today--and so would America.

 

[gkryhewy]

I've been horribly stressed out about the stock market, so I decided to do some research about the current situation and if there is an upside: THERE ISN'T. Bail out or not, I've come to the conclusion that America is really fucked. This is the beginning of the end for us. Obama can have all the hope he wants, but I think when he gets in, the burden will be too great. Some of you might laugh and say I'm being reactionary, and that's fine. I'd love to hear your take on it because you might have some bit of info I can draw some optimism from.

It really isn't that simple. For example, in the EconiGAF thread, there's some interesting stuff about the larger European banks being even more loose with their lending than US banks (something like 40x-60x actual holdings, as compared to 20x here). America is NOT fucked, and more than any of these other developed nations are.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Figure I'd pass this on in case it interests anyone:

http://vote4real.com has a sweepstakes for a 2 person trip to the Inaugural Parade. Bottom right of the page, the "Go 2 DC Sweeps" link. It's limit one online entry per person/email per day, so you can enter once a day till Nov 4th I think.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I've been feeling this way for a month now...



Bin Laden achieved his goal from the outset. Why attack the World Trade Center of all buildings? It was symbolism of the collapse of the US as an economic superpower.

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/09/18/osama-bin-ladens-dream-of-us-economic-collapse/

In November 2004, CNN reported that Bin Laden released a video monologue to Al-Jazeera where the terror-savvy, extreme fundamentalist announced plans to continue a “policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy” using similar tactics to those used when fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the 80s, “guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers.”

Bin Laden bragged at the time that al Qaeda has found it “easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations.”

“And it all shows that the real loser is you,” Bin Laden said. “It is the American people and their economy.”

Bin Laden said of President Bush that “the darkness of black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.”​

And from CNN in 2004: http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/11/01/binladen.tape/

Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S.

"We, alongside the mujahedeen, bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden said.​

It's pretty amazing when you think about what's happened...it's all worked out as Bin Laden wanted.

Bullshit, the Bush administration was responsible for the actions it took after Sept 11. On Sept 11 the terrorists lost, but the Bush administration gave them victory over time by carrying out a foreign policy written by neocons, a policy that has only led to the empowerment of Iran and given justification for Russia and others to act as they see fit, all by creating a huge permanent deficit while doing nothing for Americans at home and leaving them with an economical collapse.

Don't given Bin Laden credit, he achieved nothing. It was the neocons that drove their country in the wrong direction all the way to the end, only to end up where they thought they were driving away from, AGAIN.

No wonder Cheney built a fucking bunker under his house.

 

[CharlieDigital]

Don't given Bin Laden credit, he achieved nothing. It was the neocons that drove their country in the wrong direction all the way to the end, only to end up where they thought they were driving away from, AGAIN.

Bush and the neocons in his administration were like a supersaturated solution and Bin Laden was the agent that caused a condensation reaction. We wouldn't have started two wars if it were not for his actions.

 

[The Librarian]

I want the VP debate naow.....

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Bullshit, the Bush administration was responsible for the actions it took after Sept 11. On Sept 11 the terrorists lost, but the Bush administration gave them victory over time by carrying out a foreign policy written by neocons, a policy that has only led to the empowerment of Iran and given justification for Russia and others to act as they see fit, all by creating a huge permanent deficit while doing nothing for Americans at home and leaving them with an economical collapse.

Don't given Bin Laden credit, he achieved nothing. It was the neocons that drove their country in the wrong direction all the way to the end, only to end up where they thought they were driving away from, AGAIN.

No wonder Cheney built a fucking bunker under his house.

Umm...

It could be viewed that Bin Laden knew his enemies and that the reaction that the Bush Administration had following 9/11 was in line with his assumptions, thereby bringing us to the point we are in today.

That's what I got out of that post.

 

[ronito]

oh Palin will be at the debate. Make no mistake. She'll be there. She'll be there with an ear piece or a suspicious lump in her coat back.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Bush and the neocons in his administration were like a supersaturated solution and Bin Laden was the agent that caused a condensation reaction. We wouldn't have started two wars if it were not for his actions.

Of course you would have. Cheney and Co. pressured Clinton for years to invade Iraq, they would have done so with or without Bin Laden in the picture.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

oh Palin will be at the debate. Make no mistake. She'll be there. She'll be there with an ear piece or a suspicious lump in her coat back.

Or Tina Fey is mysteriously absent from home and has a $10 million dollar deposit in her account.

Seriously, I think she could prolly debate Biden more efficently than Palin and she isn't even in public office.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Of course you would have. Cheney and Co. pressured Clinton for years to invade Iraq, they would have done so with or without Bin Laden in the picture.

But look at our increased security spending post 9/11.

Forget the war, look at things like the TSA and Homeland Security as two new huge spending arms of the government that Bin Laden's actions created.

A friend of my works for the TSA. In an odd, almost sick way, he owes his job and ability to care for his family to 9/11 and the actions of the terrorists.

 

[EMBee99]

oh Palin will be at the debate. Make no mistake. She'll be there. She'll be there with an ear piece or a suspicious lump in her coat back.

But a loose-fitting coat to fit that wireless earpiece receiver makes it very hard to show off her sexy bits for people who vote with their wangs!

How awesome would it be if she just treated it all like a beauty pageant. Right down to singing "The Greatest Love of All" to a shocked and stunned Joe Biden.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

A friend of my works for the TSA. In an odd, almost sick way, he owes his job and ability to care for his family to 9/11 and the actions of the terrorists.

Sociology would call that Functionalism.

 

[Hootie]

I want the VP debate naow.....

Patience, my young padawan. The day of McCain's collapse (VP debate) shall be here in due time.

 

[Lemonz]

Guess who's not coming to dinner
BY ROGER EBERT / September 28, 2008

I do not like you, John McCain. My feeling has nothing to do with issues. It has to do with basic decency. During the debate, you refused to look Barack Obama in the eye. Indeed, you refused to look at him at all. Even when the two of you shook hands at the start, you used your eyes only to locate his hand, and then gazed past him as you shook it.

Obama is my guy. If you are rude to him, you are rude to me. If you came to dinner at my house and refused to look at or speak with one of my guests, that would be bad manners and I would be offended. Same thing if I went to your house. During the debate, you were America's guest.

I'm not the only one who noticed your odd, hostile behavior pundits were wondering if you might explode in a display of your famous temper. I think we saw that happen, all right, but it was an implosion. I have instructed my wife to exclude you from any future dinner parties.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997

 

[Particle Physicist]

oh Palin will be at the debate. Make no mistake. She'll be there. She'll be there with an ear piece or a suspicious lump in her coat back.

i doubt it.. those things are much smaller nowadays.

 

[ronito]

Patience, my young padawan. The day of McCain's collapse (VP debate) shall be here in due time.

don't get your hopes up

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Guess who's not coming to dinner
BY ROGER EBERT / September 28, 2008







http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997

McCain is really falling out with the media, even people not related to politics:lol

 

[Ether_Snake]

But look at our increased security spending post 9/11.

Forget the war, look at things like the TSA and Homeland Security as two new huge spending arms of the government that Bin Laden's actions created.

A friend of my works for the TSA. In an odd, almost sick way, he owes his job and ability to care for his family to 9/11 and the actions of the terrorists.

Again you give too much credit where it's not due. Making America more secure within its borders is not exuberantly costly. Of course there is abuse, kickbacks, fraud, etc. But look at Iraq, trillions are unaccounted for. There is where the money is being lost, and the current economical crisis. Both are a results of the Bush Administration's desires, not a reaction. The Sept 11 attacks just made it easier for them to justify their agenda. Some guy in a cave cannot force the CIA, NSA, Pentagon, etc., to fall in a fucking predictable trap. Iraq is to the US what Afghanistan was to Russia, but Bin Laden fits nowhere in the whole ramp up to the war with Iraq nor its current evolution. He has nothing to do with any of this, he just likes to act all smart and take credit for it.

"Look, I read Noam Chompsky and I recommend it my dear American infidel fellow."

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

maybe bristol's wedding should be at the VP debate :lol

 

[worldrunover]

http://joshuatrevino.com/?p=675

From a right winger, courtesy of dailykos


He created the website RedState.com

Yeah he's got a level head on his shoulders. I hear him on POTUS 08 a lot and seems to be fair even when it doesn't benefit the right.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Yeah he's got a level head on his shoulders. I hear him on POTUS 08 a lot and seems to be fair even when it doesn't benefit the right.

What's this now? I could go for a good politics podcast....

 

[Hootie]

don't get your hopes up

*snorts Hopium*

wut?

 

[worldrunover]

A friend of my works for the TSA. In an odd, almost sick way, he owes his job and ability to care for his family to 9/11 and the actions of the terrorists.

You could say the same thing about Bush.

 

[Blackhead]

Could somebody link me to a sight with a compilation of all we know about voter suppression, diebold etc in 2008? What's the margin within which 'lost' votes will determine the election (i.e. by how much should Obama be ahead to negate any efforts to steal the election)?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Guess who's not coming to dinner
BY ROGER EBERT / September 28, 2008







http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/COMMENTARY/809289997

Dunno if I'd look at Ebert while eating either

 

[NewLib]

What's this now? I could go for a good politics podcast....

Its an XM Channel thats existed for about a year now. Really great coverage of the election and by far the least biased I have listened to outside of PBS/CSPAN.

 

[worldrunover]

What's this now? I could go for a good politics podcast....

It's a channel on XM dedicated to political coverage. They have every full event, no commercials, and no bias (although they do have guests on from the DNC, RNC, etc). They even play full conference calls (WAY boring). It's kind of like NPR completely dedicated to the presidential race. Occassionally they have Washington Post or NY Times podcasts also.

If you have XM (or possibly even sirius now) it's worth checking out, definiately. channel 130 on XM.

 

[numble]

Who thinks that the next gimmick will occur Friday morning? McCain had his latest gimmick just when they started to talk about Rick Davis's lobbying activity, Palin's Couric interview, and the constant soundbite of him saying the fundamentals of the economy are strong. I really feel like there will be a gimmick launched to take away any aftermath of the VP debate.

 

[Y2Kev]

Let's take predictions on what stunt McCain will pull this week.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Drudge owned
http://www.nbc15.com/state/headlines/29864149.html

edit: also out of interest, if McCain got the same debate response Obama received - ie most polls showing he won - I bet that would be plastered all over Drudge.

 

[worldrunover]

Let's take predictions on what stunt McCain will pull this week.

I'm thinking that ytmnd will end up in an attack ad.

 

[Tamanon]

Drudge owned
http://www.nbc15.com/state/headlines/29864149.html

Yeah, as soon as I saw that was based on the wife's ex-husband speaking for her, I immediately just threw that "scandal" away.:lol Divorces are messy as hell.

 

[The Librarian]

*snorts Hopium*

wut?

You're high.

 

[AniHawk]

I'm thinking that ytmnd will end up in an attack ad.

I'm still going with Obama's face with the Ghostbusters end of the world rant.

 

[StoOgE]

Yeah, as soon as I saw that was based on the wife's ex-husband speaking for her, I immediately just threw that "scandal" away.:lol Divorces are messy as hell.

Doesnt make Drudge any less of a POS though.

He posted an intentionally misleading headline trying to create a controversy to distract from his parties implosion.