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GaimeGuy

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Amir0x said:
We have all these ineffectual congressmen and women in Washington, and a particularly ineffectual Democratic party at the moment.
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No, we have a shitty senate majority leader with no balls, 40 obstructionist republicans and about 5-6 shitty democrats and independents that either have personal ties to the health care industry, are republicans ideologically, or want to milk this baby for all it's worth to them personally. And we have one legislative chamber of 100 members which requires not 50+ 1, but 60 votes to pass a bill, a chamber which is already skewed in favor of conservatives as it is skewed towards rural and low-population areas.

We have obstructionists and opportunists exploiting a shitty procedure that a certain Harry Reid doesn't have the balls to get rid of. THAT's why health care is failing. Because 45% of the senate isn't voting in good faith.

Blame the democratic party if you want. I, personally, am proud to have Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar as my senators, and am pissed the fuck off that Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, and the entire republican caucus, which don't even represent 45% of the senate, have been holding this bill hostage.

but whatever, I guess you'll be right to punish Arlen Specter and Bob Casey Jr for the actions of other senators. Maybe you'll enjoy having Pat Toomey as your senator after the 2010 elections instead.
 
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besada

Banned
Aaron Strife said:
Not that I disagree that it's near impossible with the current political landscape, but at least here in Minnesota, third party candidates (mainly, the ones belonging to the Independence Party) winning elections isn't exactly unusual. Dean Barkley won 20% of the vote in 2008 because we were tired of seeing TV swamped with mud-slinging from the Franken and Coleman camps. The last gubernatorial race where the winner came out with a majority was in 1994 with Arne Carlson. Tim Penny's performance in 2002 was considered underwhelming - when he won 16%.

Now obviously this doesn't hold for the rest of the country, but if it did, I think you'd have a lot more politicians who care about more than getting re-elected every 2/4/6 years.
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How many independent Congressmen and Senators have you guys sent up? Because that's what we're talking about, not gubernatorial races, which have considerably lower bars of entry. Hell, we gave a pot-smoking atheist Jew 12% of the gubernatorial vote in Texas.
 
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GhaleonEB

Member
cartoon_soldier said:
Basically, Brown is the winnar!!
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They're covering their bases.

Blast national Dems if it's a blowout.

Set the table for "irregularities" if it's close.


Nothing to see here!

Should be less than two hours until results start trickling in and we'll see how this really shakes out.
Averon said:
If these numbers hold, and Brown's strongholds doesn't post crazy numbers, Coakely may still have a chance. But that fact that the DNC and Coakely's campaign are sniping at one another this early tells me that they're seeing internal numbers that looks bleak.
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There is no exit polling. It's all anecdotal at this point.
 
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RiskyChris

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GaimeGuy said:
No, we have a shitty senate majority leader with no balls, 40 obstructionist republicans and about 5-6 shitty democrats and independents that either have personal ties to the health care industry, are republicans ideologically, or want to milk this baby for all it's worth to them personally. And we have one legislative chamber of 100 members which requires not 50+ 1, but 60 votes to pass a bill, a chamber which is already skewed in favor of conservatives as it is skewed towards rural and low-population areas.

We have obstructionists and opportunists exploiting a shitty procedure that a certain Harry Reid doesn't have the balls to get rid of. THAT's why health care is failing. Because 45% of the senate isn't voting in good faith.

Blame the democratic party if you want. I, personally, am proud to have Al Franken and Amy Klobuchar as my senators, and am pissed the fuck off that Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, and the entire republican caucus, which don't even represent 45% of the senate, have been holding this bill hostage.

but whatever, I guess you'll be right to punish Arlen Specter and Bob Casey Jr for the actions of other senators. Maybe you'll enjoy having Pat Toomey as your senator after the 2010 elections instead.
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I'm sorry I don't buy that we have a shitty health care bill because of 41 obstructionist members of the Senate. The bill is what it is because that's what the Democratic party created.
 
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Averon

Member
GhaleonEB said:
They're covering their bases.

Blast national Dems if it's a blowout.

Set the table for "irregularities" if it's close.


Nothing to see here!

Should be less than two hours until results start trickling in and we'll see how this really shakes out.

There is no exit polling. It's all anecdotal at this point.
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I'm not taking about media exit polls but exit polling done by the campaigns themselves.
I always thought it was standard procedure for campaigns on election day to do exit polling so they can send resources to specific areas while polls are still open
 
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Tamanon

Banned
Averon said:
I'm not taking about media exit polls but exit polling done by the campaigns themselves.
I always thought it was standard procedure for campaigns on election day to do exit polling so they can send resources to specific areas while polls are still open
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Coakley's campaign is claiming they couldn't afford exit polling.
 
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Diablos

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All of the behind the scenes crap going on right now would almost suggest that internal data is looking pretty grim.

Even if it's close and Coakley pulls out a win, it's quite obvious that the populist rage is high even in liberal Massachusetts. When you consider how MA has the closest thing to perceived government controlled health care besides say, maybe, Hawaii... I don't even know if HCR was the primary issue.
 
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GhaleonEB

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mckmas8808 said:
ARGH!!! Why did he have to win.
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:lol
Averon said:
I'm not taking about media exit polls but exit polling done by the campaigns themselves.
I always thought it was standard procedure for campaigns on election day to do exit polling so they can send resources to specific areas while polls are still open
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They're not doing any.
Diablos said:
All of the behind the scenes crap going on right now would almost suggest that internal data is looking pretty grim.
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Agree.
 
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GhaleonEB

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Diablos said:
Could prove to be a mixed blessing.
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Look at it this way: if there was exit polling, we'd have had the first round data released already. So we'd either be in even more of a panic than currently, or (possibly without cause) all excited.

Won't matter in two hours anyways.
 
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GhaleonEB

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quadriplegicjon said:
Nope, they going rouge!
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I got myself that book for Christmas. It's hilarious.

Greg Sargent is keeping a running list of updates on the election here.

John Zogby predicts Coakley win. Markos sees it as “more evidence that Brown will win.”
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Zogby is a terrible predictor, so he's probably wrong. Kos is a panicking buffoon, so he's probably wrong. :lol
 
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Sirpopopop

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RiskyChris said:
I'm sorry I don't buy that we have a shitty health care bill because of 41 obstructionist members of the Senate. The bill is what it is because that's what the Democratic party created.
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Yes, shame on the Democratic party for trying to create a bill which had a chance of passing instead of going down in flames, with what the majority of the country would view as a "radical" expansion of government.
 
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eznark

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I meant to ask the other day, but someone mentioned 100 filibusters, and the most ever. Do they all have to do with health care in one way or another? Seems like it's the only big thing going on. (Forgive my ignorance, I'm trying to get back up to speed on day to day politics since it's a dead season between football and baseball.)
 
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Kolgar

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I sure wish we got some exit polls or other reports throughout the day--the suspense is ridiculous.

All the finger-pointing between the Coakley people and DC doesn't bode well for that camp, though.

Both are to blame. Coakley for running a poor campaign and the Washington Democrats for trying to run so far to the left so fast.

Regardless. If Brown wins the "Kennedy seat" to become #41 in the Senate on the eve of Obama's first anniversary, well... The irony. You couldn't write a more riveting narrative if you tried.

I'm headed out soon to a "Filibuster 41" party at a nearby bar to watch the results on TV. Epic times!

Edit: What's this I hear about the Coakley memo on voting irregularities was dated YESTERDAY? :lol
 
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Diablos

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Washington Democrats running far to the left? Are you kidding? Obama's been solidly centrist thus far, and Congressional performance reflects that.

The party is in the center/center-left while the GOP is has already gone off the deep end.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Diablos said:
Damn, I wish Zogby said she would lose.
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smh.

You'd rather shout "SEE I WAS RIGHT!" than be proven wrong and not let that assshit named Scott Brown into the Senate.
 
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Diablos

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reilo said:
smh.

You'd rather shout "SEE I WAS RIGHT!" than be proven wrong and not let that assshit named Scott Brown into the Senate.
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No, it's just that whatever Zogby says, I typically believe the opposite. :D
 
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Aaron Strife

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besada said:
How many independent Congressmen and Senators have you guys sent up? Because that's what we're talking about, not gubernatorial races, which have considerably lower bars of entry. Hell, we gave a pot-smoking atheist Jew 12% of the gubernatorial vote in Texas.
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That's true (heh at bolded). I think Ventura would have had a chance at the senate, but whatev', Senator Franken was a much better outcome.

Still, Barkley did as well as anyone could have expected for a third party candidate. I think any point where America is in a "POPULIST RAGE!!!" type of mood, it's a perfect time for a third party to step up, but I dunno no one ever seems to get very far with it (see Doug Hoffman).

I think Nader should run in 2012 for Lieberman's seat. Just throwing that out there.
 
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Diablos

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Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
GOP bringing their spin for a possible loss:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ises-concern-dead-voters-massachusetts-rolls/

'Watchdog Group' Raises Concern About Dead Voters on Massachusetts Rolls

A conservative watchdog group on Tuesday blasted the Massachusetts secretary of state for dismissing concerns about the thousands of dead voters potentially on the rolls as living voters head to the polls in the high-stakes special election for U.S. Senate.

Though one study reportedly found as many as 116,000 dead voters on the rolls in the state, William Galvin, who oversees elections, said the dead voters are removed from the voter lists.
"These are conservative groups who don't know anything about this state," he said, according to The Boston Herald.

But Americans for Limited Government President Bill Wilson said Galvin should take the issue much more seriously considering the weight of Tuesday's special election.

"Massachusetts Secretary of State William Galvin has chosen to ridicule those concerned" about the dead voters on the rolls, he said in a written statement. "With so much at stake in his state and throughout the nation in today's election, one would expect him to be more serious and less cynical. After all, it's his job."

Americans for Limited Government was referring to a study conducted in October by data firm Aristotle International Inc. that found more than 16 million registered voters had either died or moved. Massachusetts had a particularly high number.

CNSNews.com reported that the Bay State had 116,483 dead registered voters, and 538,567 registered voters who had moved away from their listed addresses. The data apparently did not reflect end-of-year purges that states sometimes do to get rid of the excess names.

But the Herald reported that one conservative group was stirring concern by suggesting Coakley supporters and liberal groups like ACORN could pose as dead people to vote for the Democratic candidate.

"We guard the rights of voters here," Galvin said.
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Difference is, this isn't coming straight from Brown's campaign.. unlike Coakley's 'concerns.'

It's the top story on Foxnews.com right now.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
Bayh is right. I'd imagine many blue dogs won't be sticking their necks out for Obama after tonight.
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They haven't really been sticking their necks out at all. They've had their pick of the litter when it comes to additions to any legislation.
 
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eznark

Banned
PhoenixDark said:
Bayh is right. I'd imagine many blue dogs won't be sticking their necks out for Obama after tonight.
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Hands. Not necks. They've been sticking their hands out. Aaaand they will continue to do so.
 
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