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PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA Checkin' Off His List
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Okay, then explain to me, why the fuck have 0 republicans indicated support for the bill or for even debating the issue of health care on the senate floor? You're telling me out of all 40 republicans not one of them thought the bill was a good start? I'm sorry, but that's just not statistically likely, and it has happend with every major fucking piece of legislation since the obama administration began.RiskyChris said:
While some democrats support single payer, some don't, some wnat a public option, some don't, etc, we've seen debate, negotiations, compromises, leading to a bill that most agree is an okay or good start.
Through all the compromises, I haven't seen a single republican accept the concessions made as enough. They scream about socialism and a government takeover of health care despite no single payer, no public option, hell, not even anti-trust rules for the insurance industry. They yell about the bill costing too much despite the fact that it reduces the deficit for the government as well as the personal health care expenses for americans. It decreases costs for the american taxpayer while also decreasing the debt incurred by the federal government, yet it's too expensive. Saving money is too expensive, yeah, fuck that shit. Oh, all the while they're rallying people outside the capitol building to chants of "Kill the bill."
You're telling me that through all of these concessions, all of the debate, the compromises, that not one out of forty fucking people can honestly say that although they may not agree with everything in the health care bill, that it is a start? That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.
You're arguing to me that the bill isn't passing because it's a bad bill? Okay, explain to me why pretty much every fucking person voting against the bill is opposing it, because the primary reasons I've been hearing from them is that they're afraid of what a public option could lead to, and they're afraid of how much the bill will increase the debt.
And both of these points are bullshit, because single payer is out, any government provided public option is out, and every incarnation of the bill reduces the deficit after analysis by the CBO. What's the fucking problem? Their objections have been addressed. All I'm hearing is "NO NO NO" for no reason related to the quality of the bill.
You have the audacity to claim that the bill does too much when provisions that objective analysis reveals to be beneficial to society have been removed time after time again from the bill to concede to your objections, making the bill worse just so thedemocrats could say they didn't give you the cold shoulder because your ideology didn't fit with theirs.
You say the bill sees so much opposition because it sucks, yet I haven't seen conservative america say anything new after months of changes to the bill, while liberals bite their lips as good ideas are removed out of consideration to your ideological concerns.
Yet you continue to bitch and moan that the bill sucks.
Fuck you. The bill sucks because conservatives are fucking stupid. The rest of the civilized world has great models for health care systems that I and other liberals want the US to emulate to improve care and bring down costs, but we can't have that here because people like you think BAH GAWD THAT THERE'S A LIBRUL IDEA!!!111
FUCK.
It's days like this that I sometimes wish I hadn't got interested in politics. Election nights are always filled with overwhelming nervousness and fear of crushing disappointment, even if you're 95% certain what the result will be. :lol
And it seems I'm not alone: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31666.html
Even the pollsters are fearing a NH part 2 coming.
And it seems I'm not alone: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31666.html
Even the pollsters are fearing a NH part 2 coming.
cartoon_soldier
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Looks like Obama's campaign arm just sent out an SMS, asking for people to call MA? A bit late ain't it?
Father_Brain
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Tamanon said:
That's tracking polls, not exit polling. It's supposedly why the campaign didn't realize the extent of the Brown surge until that 9-point Rasmussen poll appeared two weeks ago, but exit polls are a completely different thing.
mckmas8808
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30 minutes bitches. It's come down to this.
I didn't realize that 51% of registered voters are independents. This doesn't look good for Coakley.
I didn't realize that 51% of registered voters are independents. This doesn't look good for Coakley.
Quadrangulum
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It would be a shame if Coakley loses. While her campaign wasn't that impressive, her track record as AG is quite laudable. I'd love to have her as a Senator for my state.
PhoenixDark
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I've been doing homework and following this race all day, most of which occurred in the library. I think I'm going to skip raiding (WoW) tonight to finish watching this trainwreck.
ClovingWestbrook
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GaimeGuy said:
Don't worry Gaime, the Republicans are simply waiting until they get more power in the Senate to bring the HCR they have promised for oh so long. We just need to give them their shot. They truly care about the little person. They truly don't think its right that tax payers can lose their homes because they went to the hospital. Republicans truly believe that the Insurance companies are evil and need to be regulated. The Republicans truly are more concerned with bringing health care coverage here in the states than they are bringing bombs to other countries. The Republicans just need their opportunity to show the country that they are the party who will truly bring the HCR that we need so desperately. Just trust them!
Anticitizen One
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I'm just amazed at how well and how quickly republicans can get the whole country fooled
ClovingWestbrook
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Anticitizen One said:
It isn't how well the repubs can fool the country, its how horribly the democrats can keep the country from being fooled.
cartoon_soldier
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Anticitizen One said:
Lets face it, the Democratic messaging machine sucks and Obama's campaign arm has been ineffectual at everything. The only thing Dems have/had going for them messaging wise is some people from Obama's WH team and Obama himself.
NullPointer
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Fixed for sad truthiness.LovingSteam said:
StopMakingSense
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Diablos said:
Also, pretty sure there wasn't going to be any real exit polling.
ClovingWestbrook
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MSNBC reporter stating dems bracing for a horrible loss. People at the polls are saying Brown win by 5+.
cartoon_soldier
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Diablos said:
Even then it was more of the Obama messaging machine and the way Obama's campaign was run by David Plouffe.
Then all those polls were correct!!
PhoenixDark
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Diablos said:
So did his team overall. It's really like watching an entirely different group of people. Sure they still ensure leaks are rare, but they have NO message control. After awhile, dismissing negative attacks as "old politics/not change/etc" doesn't work.
PistolGrip
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Its actually quite easy to do the wrong thing. you just to take into account these items:Anticitizen One said:
1. Fear
2. Public knowledge (majority of people are just plain dumb)
3. Political Mis information is easy to spread as the Media doesnt call you out on it. (If conservatives can make americans doubt Evolution is true with stupid already addressed arguments, then just think about how easy it is to confused people on complicated policy issues)
4. The Economy is bad, you can get people riled up easily... and many of them got nothing but time.
Norah O'Donnell says Dems Officials bracing for 5+ point loss, not getting votes from Boston that are needed.
http://twitter.com/JimPethokoukis
http://twitter.com/JimPethokoukis
mckmas8808
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Diablos said:
I agree. Sad but true.
mckmas8808
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Ripclawe said:
How the hell do they know that already?
cartoon_soldier
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:lol
What a cluster.
Generally, Ground game reports. Democrats do have a good on the ground machine in the state and they would be able to tell you how things are going.
ClovingWestbrook
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People at the polls are supposedly stating that is what they are seeing.
RT @daveweigel: Hot rumor at the party--Brown by 11. #masen
Ripclawe said:
RT @daveweigel: Hot rumor at the party--Brown by 11. #masen
PistolGrip
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fking Dems just had to get cute and put Coakley out there... What a mess... fk.
mckmas8808
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LovingSteam said:
I thought turnout was high. Maybe everybody voted for Brown then?
cartoon_soldier
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Y2Kev said:
Not Literally, but thats how she ran her campaign.
I don't think she even came out with her first TV ad until that Ras poll that showed it was only +8 Coakley. And then when she did some out with the ads, she decided to go all negative (when the fuck will people learn you can't just go negative and expect to win).
The Chosen One
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Pimpwerx said:
This.
I feel the same way.
cartoon_soldier
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mckmas8808 said:
But it could be that turnout was high amongst Repubs and Independents. Combine that with Coakley losing 25% of the Dem vote :lol
mckmas8808
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Okay here we go. Everybody agree that Brown will win by more than 5 points?
Isn't it sad that I look at TPM's headline
and rationally I want to say "haha, wtf how does one senate seat determine the fate of healthcare?" But then I think to myself "well this motherfucker is gonna vote no." In other words, fuck Senate rules.
and rationally I want to say "haha, wtf how does one senate seat determine the fate of healthcare?" But then I think to myself "well this motherfucker is gonna vote no." In other words, fuck Senate rules.
The Librarian
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What the fuck? No.mckmas8808 said:
ClovingWestbrook
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I am still going for a Coackley win at either 51-49 or 52-48.
PhoenixDark
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Brown 53
Coakley 45
Coakley 45
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