PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)
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sangreal said:
Cap and trade systems tax industries for going over a certain level of carbon emission. That raises prices.
Investing money in other energy sources is good long term, but doesn't help the man Obama mentioned in his speech.
Energy efficiency is good, but if you can't afford 6 dollar gas how are you going to spend 20k or more on a new more efficient car?
The rest don't have a whole lot to do with the man in his speech either.
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Nobody can force a private corporation to do anything(well you can, but I think you know what I'm trying to say). Research/innovation/evolution is up to the respective companies' board of directors. You're simply not going to get a detailed breakdown of every policy at this time... not tonight. I don't know why anyone would expect that now -- that is something that would and should come out in the coming months.King_Slender said:
I think he was just suggesting that he'd encourage such research and innovation. And if the established companies don't want to wake up to the necessary change in the next years and decades, then I'm sure other companies will be happy to step it up -- with the possible Obama administration behind them (initially).
I agree on nuclear power plants... it's sad that one hasn't been built in decades, but oil is nothing more than a stopgap -- I mean, yeah its cheap as hell, but in due time we'd be right back where we are now.
The second part, I haven't done research.. that will come later once I go over both candidates and other offices and make my final decisions on who I want to vote for come November.
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
Similar thing happened to me.I left the room to watch Obama's speech in another room since my mother,father and brother are all Clinton supporters and changed the channel as soon as he came on. Now my brother is in the next room showing them the video of that Pastor guy making fun of Clinton. They are so pissed off. :lol
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Lemonz said:
I have been looking for this picture for so long!
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You see, I usually don't bother getting too involved in politics or vested in particular candidates. The more I think about it, the more frustrated I tend to get. Maybe I'm too cynical.
What a fucking speech, though.
I pumped my fist at the "religion as a wedge and patriotism as a bludgeon" line, but there were so many others. Graciously acknowledging Clinton's efforts, and then tearing into McCain while never loosing his calm and maintaining respectfulness, Obama simply brought it tonight. If he can pull off even half of what he says, then we're well on our way to getting past the bullshit of the last 7 years.
Going up against McCain and all his vitriol and arrogance, if America doesn't elect Obama in November, we've had it.
GOBAMA
What a fucking speech, though.
I pumped my fist at the "religion as a wedge and patriotism as a bludgeon" line, but there were so many others. Graciously acknowledging Clinton's efforts, and then tearing into McCain while never loosing his calm and maintaining respectfulness, Obama simply brought it tonight. If he can pull off even half of what he says, then we're well on our way to getting past the bullshit of the last 7 years.
Going up against McCain and all his vitriol and arrogance, if America doesn't elect Obama in November, we've had it.
GOBAMA
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You heard it here first. Obama will get 512 votes to McCain's 25.6 in the electoral college.iapetus said:This may be speculation, but I'm confident in my numbers: you won't find that ratio applies to votes when it comes to election time.
TWO THOUSAND PERCENT MORE!
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TiVo said:
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Jesse Jackson is a great and very important figure.
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onemic said:
Seriously, all they would be proving is that race, gender, & the primary outcome determined their vote as opposed to the issues since Obama & Hillary are almost indentical policy wise.
I hope that no American would sacrifice the good of the country for such reasons.
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harold ford jr. is choking on barack obama's cock
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SemanticsHitokage said:
I meant corporations as a whole.Illuminati
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Sci-Fi: Tremors 4: The Legend BeginsTiVo said:
Again, I don't think there is any good way to substantially lower oil prices within four years. What solutions would you propose? Would you like the government to subsidize a large portion of his car, or eliminate tariffs on automobiles so they are cheap enough for him to buy? I honestly don't know if the man he mentioned in his speech really has much of a recourse at this point, but that rhetoric does not go over very well (see: Jimmy Carter). I don't think you have realistic expectations for his speeches.Gaborn said:
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Tamanon said:
awww
Star Power
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:lol :lol Jeff Toobin "the deranged narcissism of the Clintons"
Jason's Ultimatum
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Obama is going to run circles around McCain during the debates. It isn't even going to be funny.
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I didn't say there WAS a good solution. He shouldn't have said it if he wasn't going to address the man's concern though. I think the best solution in all honesty is to increase the supply of oil. I don't have a problem with other things, encouraging new research, working to convince companies to adopt other forms of energy usage, etc. But I think the best way to lower prices is two fold. You have to decrease demand, but you also have to increase supply, that lowers prices naturally.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/us/politics/04obama.html?hp
One of the curiosities about Mr. Obama is his professed lack of interest in the writers who pore over that life, trying to deconstruct his fractured family and geography. He claims not to read profiles that pile high in his plane.
It just encourages the narcissism that is already a congenital defect for a politician, he says. I find these essays more revealing about the author than about me.
One of the curiosities about Mr. Obama is his professed lack of interest in the writers who pore over that life, trying to deconstruct his fractured family and geography. He claims not to read profiles that pile high in his plane.
It just encourages the narcissism that is already a congenital defect for a politician, he says. I find these essays more revealing about the author than about me.
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