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[Cheebs]

It's old news, but finally bearing fruit. This really could be a fascinating campaign.

This, by the way, is how Hillary will, day by day, be pushed out of the limelight.

Shouldn't be more than a few weeks.

Obama will not accept. I'd be pissed if he does. McCain cant draw crowds, Obama can. McCain would get the free chance to speak to a lot of people thanks to Obama if Obama doesi t.

 

[typhonsentra]

He's using that green background again?

 

[maximum360]

McCain sent Obama a letter inviting him to town hall meetings across America?

Interesting.

I think it's a bad idea for Obama really. Let McCain get his own audience instead of trying to leech off Obama.

 

[Tamanon]

Obama will not accept. I'd be pissed if he does. McCain cant draw crowds, Obama can. McCain would get the free chance to speak to a lot of people thanks to Obama if Obama doesi t.

Er.....he should accept. You think these will be friendly crowds to McCain?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Obama will not accept. I'd be pissed if he does. McCain cant draw crowds, Obama can. McCain would get the free chance to speak to a lot of people thanks to Obama if Obama doesi t.

I'd be pissed as hell if he doesn't. It flies in the face of everything he's said about looking forward to debating the issues.

By the way, it's a free chance for him to look completely ineffectual and old next to Bams in glorious high definition.

 

[Keylime]

McCain's speech last night was so lame.

*comment comment comment*

*pause*

<maniac laughter here>

"That's not change you can believe in!"

 

[Kitschkraft]

I don't like this, Obama can campaign McCain under the table, will win the debates, and can raise money like a fucking gambler...these town hall meetings would seem to me like they are holding back on the potential of Obama.

The fact that he wants these so soon, on such a short notice, shows that this is "political theater" on McSame's behalf.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

McCain tends to do better in town halls, so I'm not surprised he is setting this up. McCain wouldn't do well in situations where Obama's popularity comes into play. Even the crowd McCain has now doesn't seem too enthused...

 

[VanMardigan]

the town hall, while it may be a good idea and get them side by side to show just how bad mccain is, '

McCain is actually at his best at town hall meetings. That's why he suggested this in the first place.

 

[belvedere]

I'd love to see how these style meetings would unfold if just anybody could show up but it sounds as if pre-selected people will only be able to attend.

Imagine if people show up in the numbers that they have for Obama in the past. The message that could send.

 

[camineet]

President Obama might very well have to send U.S. forces to protect Israel, and/or retaliate against Israel's enemies.

President Obama would even be forced to nuke Iran, (Hillary threatened to nuke Iran) should the 'unthinkable' stuff happen.

 

[Revengeance]

Someone should tell McCain that the word "exploitation" should not be the center of your energy policy

my friends: 7

 

[maximum360]

Plus McCain keeps on trying to set the agenda, first on Iraq and now on town hall meetings. Obama needs to take a stand, set the agenda, and control the narrative.

Anyway, McCain is speaking....nap time.

 

[Cheebs]

I'd be pissed as hell if he doesn't. It flies in the face of everything he's said about looking forward to debating the issues.

By the way, it's a free chance for him to look completely ineffectual and old next to Bams in glorious high definition.

When McCain first mentioned the idea over a month ago Politico said Obama's campaign advisor's were dead set against the idea. So I highly highly doubt it will happen.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I don't like this, Obama can campaign McCain under the table, will win the debates, and can raise money like a fucking gambler...these town hall meetings would seem to me like they are holding back on the potential of Obama.

The fact that he wants these so soon, on such a short notice, shows that this is "political theater" on McSame's behalf.

They've been talking about this for months. There's no short notice.

Obama should be prepared to debate McCain in any setting, under any condition, or he's going to (rightfully) look weak.

As far as "free" publicity for McCain, come on. The dude is only other person on Earth running for POTUS.

 

[Revengeance]

"My friends" count: 9

Ok, fuck this game. I'm done watching this hack.

 

[Trakdown]

Wow, I guess last night's fiasco spurred this; his camp is probably scared to death of him trying to do more speeches and getting embarassed.

I say bring it. McCain doesn't have the high ground on the major issues.

 

[Cheebs]

They've been talking about this for months. There's no short notice.

Obama should be prepared to debate McCain in any setting, under any condition, or he's going to (rightfully) look weak.

As far as "free" publicity for McCain, come on. The dude is only other person on Earth running for POTUS.

Again, the obama campaign doesn't like the idea and will likely just totally ignore his requests for more debates and town hall meetings.

 

[Tamanon]

Someone should tell McCain that the word "exploitation" should not be the center of your energy policy

my friends: 6

Yeah it's a pretty bad choice of words:lol

"Them Venezuelans, Iranians are up to no good!"

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

When McCain first mentioned the idea over a month ago Politico said Obama's campaign advisor's were dead set against the idea. So I highly highly doubt it will happen.

That's just dumb. Welcome to months of "But Obama is afraid to talk about the issues in front of real Americans. What are you afraid of, Barack Obama?"

 

[JavyOO7]

MY FRIENDS

 

[Kitschkraft]

Obama can get 80 thousand fucking people ON A NICE SUMMERS DAY, and has been doing excellent in gigantic venues that RALLY BASES and GET PEOPLE FIRED UP AND READY TO GO! Obama will probably have to accept at least a few of these, but he doesn't need to be tied down to McSame for this entire election.

Obama and the dems can blow through McSame in these election on pure energy alone....this idea seems very sombering to me.

Obama should respond back that this should be an open event in a stadium and that he will accept it then.

 

[ZeroTolerance]

McCain sounds a little off today......

 

[Evander]

President Obama might very well have to send U.S. forces to protect Israel, and/or retaliate against Israel's enemies.

President Obama would even be forced to nuke Iran, (Hillary threatened to nuke Iran) should the 'unthinkable' stuff happen.

What we need is a President who would be willing to let Israel's own troops defend themself.

We've had a string of presidents who told Israel to stay still, and let us handle it, and that is NOT an appropriate use of American reasources. Israel has a highly trained and highly capable army that has defended against multiple attackers in the past. Forcing Israel to rely solely on US intervention is no good for anyone.

 

[Cheebs]

That's just dumb. Welcome to months of "But Obama is afraid to talk about the issues in front of real Americans. What are you afraid of, Barack Obama?"

That didn't work for Hillary.

 

[sangreal]

That's just dumb. Welcome to months of "But Obama is afraid to talk about the issues in front of real Americans. What are you afraid of, Barack Obama?"

Like Hillary in Wisconsin? That went over well

Begging for debates is always a sign that someone is losing

 

[camineet]

BTW, George W. Bush is a genious compared to McCain.

George W. Bush improved his speaking ability since becoming president. McCain sounds like an idiot compared to Bush.

McCain has not learned how to speak like Bush did. Bush started out as coming across really stupid but he improved. compare Bush's first 2-3 years compared to the last 4-5 years.

 

[Tamanon]

Hillary's didn't work because she was proposing debates after twenty of them. McCain is proposing to supplement the THREE debates.

And I think I figured out McCain's problems with applause, he doesn't have the ability like Obama to actually speak through the applause so he has to pause when he's not used to.

 

[Brannon]

Clinton: "Meet me here, here and here!"

Obama: "I defeat you!"

Clinton: "Ack it's not over yet, I'll be back"!

-meanwhile-

McCain: "Meet me here, here, and here and we shall do battle at those venues!"

Obama: "I must prepare!"

It's like some pokemon trainer goes to the rival gym scenario over and over again.

 

[whytemyke]

So now Israel is nervous? I thought you said AIPAC was.



Shit, I live in America, and we invaded a sovereign nation (even though I didn't support it) I guess that means I'm inherently evil as well.



Seriously, do some ACTUAL research before running your mouth. I don't think you're an anti-semite, I think you just have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.



Seriously, "single digit terrorists" are now okay? Nations should allow "single digit terrorists" in to their borders, because at least it isn't more of them? I personally DO NOT support many of Israel's methods, and I have no interest in defending them, but you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

1) Did I miss something where AIPAC is an organization designed to support the interest of Israel? It necessarily stems that if a nation is anything then the people who support them, especially their particular traits, are probably in that same vein. You can't say Israel is one thing but AIPAC is another when the two are so closely aligned (through no doing of Israel so much as thru AIPAC).

2) You live in America which invaded a sovereign nation under false pretenses. Intent is everything. As you said, you didn't support it so you're not inherently nervous/evil. If you were an active NeoCon sending money to the people in power who did support it (as AIPAC does) then yes, I'd classify you as nervous and/or evil.

3) Nations shouldn't allow any terrorists inside their borders, but I think you'd agree that if a cell popped up in New York City and Canada rolled tanks thru New England without our permission to bomb the shit out of them, we'd be a little pissed off. Israel continually dictates it's will to the region with not even so much as respecting the other nations in the area, and if you're as learned on the information as you claim you are then here is where you'll offer proof to me of Lebanese appeals to the UNSC or any NGO's for help in dealing with the problem. Of course you'll also be able to offer me evidene of Israel using the proper, accepted avenues of international appeal to support their cause.

But we both know that they didn't, at least not in regards to their most recent invasion of Lebanon. And yet here you are, stick in ass, arguing that a nation that acted unilaterally, hastily and without support by invading another sovereign nation without so much as giving them due notice is somehow not either nervous or evil. Please explain that to me.

(I'm guessing you're going to circumvent that entire paragraph in order for some cheap shot about how I either don't know anything or am racist. If it's because I don't know anything, then go ahead and teach me... seriously, I'm not closed off to learning if I'm uninformed. If it's cuz you want to keep calling me racist for my horrible attatchment of the word "nervous" to the idea of Judaism, well, don't waste anyones times. I'll cede the point that I classified nationalist Jews as nervous.

Also-- one more thing, don't try to say that this is about AIPAC and not Israel, because anything regarding Israel is intrinsically tied to AIPAC)

What we need is a President who would be willing to let Israel's own troops defend themself.

We've had a string of presidents who told Israel to stay still, and let us handle it, and that is NOT an appropriate use of American reasources. Israel has a highly trained and highly capable army that has defended against multiple attackers in the past. Forcing Israel to rely solely on US intervention is no good for anyone.

I actually love this idea but it does nothing to let them "fight their own battles" if we keep selling them our military technology with which to fight them.

 

[Cheebs]

Like Hillary in Wisconsin? That went over well

Begging for debates is always a sign that someone is losing

Exactly. Obama will do the 3 fall debates. He has nothing to gain by doing anymore than that.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

That didn't work for Hillary.

I don't see how this is the same thing at all. She was clearly desperate for air time, competing with Obama for the same Democratic Pool of donators and losing.

This is a completely different proposal and and there's really no reason at all for Obama to not want to have this opportunity.

If he really performs that poorly in a Town Hall setting, he's going to have a massive problem connecting with middle class Americans, and turning down this opportunity will only serve to highlight it.

 

[Frank the Great]

ugh, a "my friends" drinking game during debates would suck. he says it too often

 

[Kitschkraft]

And I think I figured out McCain's problems with applause, he doesn't have the ability like Obama to actually speak through the applause so he has to pause when he's not used to.

I think that his problem is cadence and bad speech writing.

I personally don't know when the crowd is supposed to respond. The only time I get a signal from him is when he puts on that annoying, condescending voice, and gives that disgusting grin of his.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Hillary's didn't work because she was proposing debates after twenty of them. McCain is proposing to supplement the THREE debates.

Thank you, exactly.

 

[sangreal]

Hillary's didn't work because she was proposing debates after twenty of them. McCain is proposing to supplement the THREE debates.

And I think I figured out McCain's problems with applause, he doesn't have the ability like Obama to actually speak through the applause so he has to pause when he's not used to.

Theres a lot of comments on Hillary blogs on Obama's speech last night complaining that he doesn't stop to acknowledge their applause

I found it odd because I can't stand when McCain and Hillary stop to just bask

 

[Trakdown]

 

[Brannon]

Yeah it's a pretty bad choice of words:lol

"Them Venezuelans, Iranians are up to no good!"

Would you say that they are... evildoers?

 

[belvedere]

Yeah, I don't get the "McCain will leech of the crowds that Obama will draw" perspective. Didn't McCain just state that people will be picked and numbers would be around 200?

 

[The Lamonster]

Exactly. Obama will do the 3 fall debates. He has nothing to gain by doing anymore than that.

I can't wait to see Obama on network TV, in HD.


Hopefully they'll film the debates in HD. I was hoping the ABC debate would be in HD but it wasn't. And the questions also happened to suck ass.

 

[whytemyke]

ugh, a "my friends" drinking game during debates would suck. he says it too often

maybe you're just not friendly enough for this game.

 

[Cheebs]

I don't see how this is the same thing at all. She was clearly desperate for air time, competing with Obama for the same Democratic Pool of donators and losing.

This is a completely different proposal and and there's really no reason at all for Obama to not want to have this opportunity.

If he really performs that poorly in a Town Hall setting, he's going to have a massive problem connecting with middle class Americans, and turning down this opportunity will only serve to highlight it.

McCain does well in townhalls, bad in speechs. Obama does well in speechs, struggles with townhalls.

He is not going to let McCain exploit his weakness. It'd be suicide.

 

[The Lamonster]

Is there a schedule or timeline somewhere of the planned debates?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

It's been wildly acknowledged that Obama needs to make strides to connect with working class voters. This is a fantastic and attention-getting way to do so.

Turning this down is doing nothing more than giving the impression that he is somehow scared of talking to voters in an unfiltered setting.

To me, that seems like a disastrous approach to take.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

McCain does well in townhalls, bad in speechs. Obama does well in speechs, struggles with townhalls.

He is not going to let McCain exploit his weakness. It'd be suicide.

Then dude, seriously, he needs to get better, and quickly, or he is going to foster a whole lot of resentment and McCain will become THE PEOPLE'S CANDIDATE in about three hours.

 

[Tamanon]

McCain does well in townhalls, bad in speechs. Obama does well in speechs, struggles with townhalls.

He is not going to let McCain exploit his weakness. It'd be suicide.

What are you talking about? Obama does just fine in townhalls, he only struggled early on in debates.

 

[Trakdown]

This tactic is more about trying to eliminate a death knell for McCain than it is about trying to get Obama against the ropes. McCain will get decimated if he keeps trying to do speeches.

*LOL* THEY CUT HIM OFF AGAIN!!! MSNBC FOR THE WIN!

 

[Kitschkraft]

It's been wildly acknowledged that Obama needs to make strides to connect with working class voters. This is a fantastic and attention-getting way to do so.

Turning this down is doing nothing more than giving the impression that he is somehow scared of talking to voters in an unfiltered setting.

To me, that seems like a disastrous approach to take.

He will take a momentary hit maybe but the truth is that he can't afford a bad showing at one of these things.

I feel that McSame would use the lack of moderators as a way to try and bully Obama in these events.

If Obama takes this, I see bad things coming out of them.

This doesn't even mention the fact that Obama would look like he's playing McSame's game instead of his own...I look at this like boxing, you've gotta have ring generalship.

 

[belvedere]

McCain does well in townhalls, bad in speechs. Obama does well in speechs, struggles with townhalls.

He is not going to let McCain exploit his weakness. It'd be suicide.

When did Obama ever have problems in town halls? The impact may not be as great because of the smaller nature and tone of the town hall events, but that doesn't have anything to do with his performance at them.

 

[sangreal]

Obama does fine in townhalls, and he does tons of them. I don't see how doing them jointly with McCain benefits him. It's just a ploy for McCain to benefit from Obama's draw