grandjedi6
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He doesn't seem totally recanted. As far as I can tell Bob Barr is the same right wing nut he has always beenGaborn said:
PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)
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Regarding the sudden pressure on Hillary after she tried to continue doing what she's done for weeks now I can only conclude that they key difference between then and now is that now all the contests are OVER. The party feels it doesn't need to wait for voters anymore and is free to ACT... and act it has. 
Gary Whitta said:
I have to say after today's press coverage, I am a little spooked. They way they're dismissing/laughing at McCain, it feels like New Hampshire all over again. I'm trying to just enjoy the moment though, as there'll be plenty of time to worry in these upcoming months.
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McCain Rips Off Obama's Slogan And Logo :lol
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Hitokage said:Regarding the sudden pressure on Hillary after she tried to continue doing what she's done for weeks now I can only conclude that they key difference between then and now is that now all the contests are OVER. The party feels it doesn't need to wait for voters anymore and is free to ACT... and act it has.
Yup. Her "hand" is gone. Her leverage is gone. This story is going to go away in a week, and so will she.
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Seems like it to me, and in any case, I'm not getting into an argument on the internet about libertarianism. It is an utterly pointless endeavor.grandjedi6 said:
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DEO3 said:
Well, of course it's consuming all of the media's attention, as the President currently has the worst approval rating ever recorded and all the pundits believe November is a forgone conclusion even if they aren't allowed to explicitly say so or suggest such an idea yet.
Ergo, they feel that the Democratic primary was essentially the election for the next President.
grandjedi6 said:
Well, that's always a concern. I don't think he's totally changed his stances on all issues. I believe he's totally flipped on marijuana (used to be a drug warrior, now has worked as a lobbyist for marijuana legalization), I think he regrets his PATRIOT act vote. I'm troubled by DOMA, but he's said a few times he never should have written it in the first place. I don't think he's the ideal Libertarian candidate, but for me he's a LOT better than the other two candidates on just about every issue.
Tamanon said:
I'm guessing the interview was editted. Barr has said repeatedly the Patriot act was a mistake. The executive branch should NEVER have that much power, even putting aside how much of the constitution it royally fucks over. Again though, I agree Barr isn't the ideal candidate. At least he flipped the GOOD way on marijuana, unlike Obama who completely flipped on decriminalization though.
Hitokage said:Regarding the sudden pressure on Hillary after she tried to continue doing what she's done for weeks now I can only conclude that they key difference between then and now is that now all the contests are OVER. The party feels it doesn't need to wait for voters anymore and is free to ACT... and act it has.
The emperor has no clothes.
Until Tuesday night she had everyone quaking in their boots, after how vicious she showed herself to be during the campaign no one dared cross her for fear she'd take the party down with her. And then something happened - she lost. Suddenly, everyone realized there was no longer anything to fear. She had no power. And within a couple of hours the media had turned on her, the party leadership swung behind Obama, and all of her surrogates/lieutenants/enforcers/thugs scurried back into the shadows from whence they came. Like rats abandoning a sinking ship.
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Bill swears at Rep. Clyburn
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/wsj-clinton-used-expletiv_n_105161.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/wsj-clinton-used-expletiv_n_105161.html
Bill comes across as the least presidential ex-President in recent memory with his antics.
This was already discussed. It's a comparatively minor issue considering how much it could affect his campaign due to how many retarded anti-marijuana people there are out there. What's more important, his honesty on his stance on pot during the campaign, or actually winning? A very large percentage of the population is borderline mentally retarded. A candidate has to appease them somewhat, and there's always going to be some level of bullshit.Gaborn said:
polyh3dron
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Moar like a leader we can xerox amirite?
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In light of all of this, how will the Clintons, primarily Hillary be framed in history by all of this. A lot of the media has wanted to nail them to the wall for the longest time and she certainly gave them ammunition galore, especially with last night's speech. Just curious for thoughts on this.
demon said:
Sure, I don't disagree. What I'm saying is I fundamentally disagree with Obama on many issues, the fact that he is either lying about his position on marijuana or truly now believes in leaving criminal marijuana use is just one clear example of why I disagree with him.
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Now it's time for Hillary to pay lip service to the Democratic Party while secretly hoping for the Republican to win so she can run 4 years from now. Just like last election.
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Tamanon said:
I'm quite sure she is the goat in all of this already.
Cheesemeister said:
She'll have to do it without the black vote.
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The DECISION CENTER :lolpolyh3dron said:
Moar like a leader we can xerox amirite?
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no presidential candidate with a real chance would be candid about the decriminalization of pot. not even barack christ.
that's why it will never be decriminalized in our lifetime. because it would cost somebody everything.
that's why it will never be decriminalized in our lifetime. because it would cost somebody everything.
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Agent Icebeezy said:
Like that stopped her this time. :lol
...Oh, wait.
Does anyone have any thoughts on why Obama has chosen Caroline Kennedy to be part of his VP vetting team? Someone on another forum was joking about how Cheney was on Bush's VP vetting team and ended up picking himself, and if the same thing played out here we'd have an Obama/Kennedy ticket. Not that it would ever happen, because as far as I know she's shown no desire to hold public office, but still, seeing that bumper sticker would be quite the mind-fuck.
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Lemonz said:This might have been from today.
Obama has quite the "I can't believe this shit" look on his face.
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Deus Ex Machina said:McCain Rips Off Obama's Slogan And Logo :lol
Wow... McCain looks so INCREDIBLY old in that picture. Photoshop a Palpatine robe on him and you've got a winner.
On the subject of Hillary, I've been arguing for a few months now that Hillary has just been gearing herself up to be shored up as VP. That's her winning scenario here. If she can't get that she will probably run indie. That said, I have a hard time believing that Obama really has ANYONE else in the democratic party that will make a good running mate. Its not so much that Hillary is that good, its that:
a) everyone else is so bad and has poor visibility or position
b) if you can partner up with one of your opponents in your own party, you will not be able to go across the aisle to people who will go against you just because of some arbitrary philosophical position... and trust me, the Repubs will play THAT card up considerably.
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Cheesemeister said:
She will need that to win an election, not to mention how many people she has turned off with this process. Do you think her selfishness, egotistical behavior is going to be condoned and forgotten in the future? No way in hell.
More like, "Give me a fucking break."minor effort said:
It's awesome that he confronted him, though. I'd imagine that he simply said not to pull this shit, wagged his finger a bit, and boom.
I'd rather have a guy like that negotiating with foreign leaders than a guy who will put them to sleep after declaring them all to be his friends.
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Marvie_3 said:
Italian Spiderman. Just search youtube for it. Hi-larious.
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Cheesemeister said:
I think she's done to much damage for her to have ANY chance of running in 4 years should Obama loose. She's set herself up to take the brunt of the blame should Obama loose in November. She'll be the scapegoat.
The only way I can see her getting to the White House is to wait till 2016, saying that her continued candidacy in 2008 made Obama a stronger candidate. But to be honest, I expected Clinton to try and spin this way in yesterday's speech. I also think they've done to much damage to their name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhHhXukovMUMarvie_3 said:
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Agent Icebeezy said:
DrForester said:
True, she just doesn't know when to quit. Even though her path to victory has been blocked off this time 'round, I still don't think she's going to give up on running again. Hillary ignoring all of the numbers and party members telling her that it was time to drop out just makes it seem really obvious that she wants to win very badly. She's incredibly power-hungry.
grandjedi6
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Gaborn said:
Bob Barr has either flip flopped or has been quiet on so many issues like this I'm not sure how you can trust his policies so quickly. You may complain that Obama has flipped on his marijuana stance to pander for votes but I can say the same for Bob Barr on almost every position of his.
grandjedi6 said:
absolutely, but I'd rather a candidate flipped to a generally unpopular position that I agree with than away from it to appear more electable. I think that any candidate or any person for that matter is going to change their opinion over the course of their life. They're certainly flips, and they're inconsistencies, and that's not a good thing usually. However, I think it's human nature to respect more if someone flips to a position closer to your beliefs. Obama abandoned a position I greatly respected him holding, Barr has chosen to adopt several I respect after previously supporting several I find odious. As I said, he's NOT my ideal candidate, he's just better than the others.
And, oddly, probably increases the credibility of the Libertarian party marginally because he's slightly higher profile having been a prominent former Republican in the House.
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