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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)

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The Librarian

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ConfusingJazz said:
I am tired and laughed at this political cartoon way too much:

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:lol :lol :lol :lol
 
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Kitschkraft

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JoshuaJSlone said:
Maybe this has come up in one of the thousands and thousands of messages I didn't read, but... plenty here seem to watch the MSNBC coverage. Remember how the night of North Carolina and Indiana the big discussion was whether Clinton would drop out the night of Oregon/Kentucky or sooner? The sole holdout was Maddow, whose argument was basically "Clinton didn't quit when her situation was impossible before, why would she now?"

Considering how things have gone over the last few weeks, did she ever bring some crow for her fellow commentators to snack on?
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This is old (For Poligaf topics at least), but I was wondering something about Maddow.

I remember she was on one time saying that she didn't think Obama could win, and seemed to have some great explanation for her opinion, but she didn't give it at the time.

Does anyone know why she doesn't think he'll win? Was she a Clinton supporter?
 
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worldrunover

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Liara T'Soni said:
This is old (For Poligaf topics at least), but I was wondering something about Maddow.

I remember she was on one time saying that she didn't think Obama could win, and seemed to have some great explanation for her opinion, but she didn't give it at the time.

Does anyone know why she doesn't think he'll win? Was she a Clinton supporter?
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She's not a Clinton supporter, or at least not anymore. But I do think she's probably one of the best people on MSNBC.
 
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Cheebs

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Seeing how Hillary is endorsing Obama Saturday does that mean we get to add "Senator Hillary Clinton" to the list of Obama's super delegates? :lol


EDIT: I listen to Rachel Maddows radio show as often as I can, she always mocked Hillary. Not a supporter at all.
 
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Stumpokapow

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So, I'm trying to get everyone's favorite songs on record. Unfortunately, candidates seem to lie about their favourite song and just answer something that has political significance.

John Edwards: Bruce Springsteen - The River (2008) / John Mellancamp - Small Town (2004)
George W. Bush: John Fogerty - Centerfield (actual not-lie favourite)
Howard Dean: Wyclef Jean - Jaspora

Politicians that I can't find a solid answer for:
Barack Obama: Stevie Wonder / Earth, Wind and Fire
Hillary Clinton: Carly Simon / Aretha Franklin / The Rolling Stones / U2
Mitt Romney: Roy Orbison, The Beatles, The Eagles, The Kingston Trio, Alan Jackson, Toby Keith, Brooks & Dunn, George Strait, Clint Black, and Garth Brooks
Huckabee: Can't even find a favorite band, but mentions his favorite election/running song is Rolling Stones - Start Me Up

I wish there was a website about this stuff.
 
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Kitschkraft

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Cheebs said:
EDIT: I listen to Rachel Maddows radio show as often as I can, she always mocked Hillary. Not a supporter at all.
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I'm just wondering why she seemed so certain that he wouldn't win the general election.

She was adamant about it on MSNBC, and this was like 2 or 3 weeks ago.
 
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Kitschkraft

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grandjedi6 said:
Bob Kelleher -- the Republican Candidate for Montana's Senate Seat

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-85 and has lost 14 times
-former Democrat
-former Green Party candidate
-got rejected by the Green Party when they choose no one over him
-against the Iraq War
-believes the Iraq War was started to get oil and to distract Americans from the growing European Union
-believes we should set up a counter Pacific Union between Japan, China, Korea and the US to compete with the Euro
-Compulsory draft for men and women always. You get the choice between the military or civilian projects
-Wants to eliminate our form of government, representative democracy, and replace it with a parliamentary system
-His only fame really comes from being in a Daily Show segment that... well... actually summed him up pretty well



.......... :lol
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McCain / Kelleher 08 please!!!
 
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iapetus

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Stumpokapow said:
Huckabee: Can't even find a favorite band, but mentions his favorite election/running song is Rolling Stones - Start Me Up
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He makes a grown man cry. I also hear rumours that he can't compete with the riders in the other heats.
 
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birdman

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Stumpokapow said:
So, I'm trying to get everyone's favorite songs on record. Unfortunately, candidates seem to lie about their favourite song and just answer something that has political significance.

John Edwards: Bruce Springsteen - The River (2008) / John Mellancamp - Small Town (2004)
George W. Bush: John Fogerty - Centerfield (actual not-lie favourite)
Howard Dean: Wyclef Jean - Jaspora

Politicians that I can't find a solid answer for:
Barack Obama: Stevie Wonder / Earth, Wind and Fire
Hillary Clinton: Carly Simon / Aretha Franklin / The Rolling Stones / U2
Mitt Romney: Roy Orbison, The Beatles, The Eagles, The Kingston Trio, Alan Jackson, Toby Keith, Brooks & Dunn, George Strait, Clint Black, and Garth Brooks
Huckabee: Can't even find a favorite band, but mentions his favorite election/running song is Rolling Stones - Start Me Up

I wish there was a website about this stuff.
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What's McCain's favorite music? Big Band?
 
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Triumph

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Stumpokapow said:
So, I'm trying to get everyone's favorite songs on record. Unfortunately, candidates seem to lie about their favourite song and just answer something that has political significance.

John Edwards: Bruce Springsteen - The River (2008) / John Mellancamp - Small Town (2004)
George W. Bush: John Fogerty - Centerfield (actual not-lie favourite)
Howard Dean: Wyclef Jean - Jaspora

Politicians that I can't find a solid answer for:
Barack Obama: Stevie Wonder / Earth, Wind and Fire
Hillary Clinton: Carly Simon / Aretha Franklin / The Rolling Stones / U2
Mitt Romney: Roy Orbison, The Beatles, The Eagles, The Kingston Trio, Alan Jackson, Toby Keith, Brooks & Dunn, George Strait, Clint Black, and Garth Brooks
Huckabee: Can't even find a favorite band, but mentions his favorite election/running song is Rolling Stones - Start Me Up

I wish there was a website about this stuff.
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lol @ Dean.

I think Edwards genuinely does like Springsteen, tho- correct era and he's been using Bruce's "The Rising" for his campaign. It's funny, when Edwards endorsed Obama they played that song to bring him out and ever since Obama has been using it- it actually played directly after his speech Tuesday before Signed, Sealed, Delivered.
 
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DrForester

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Bringing back up an old topic (sure it's old). McCain's secret service code name finally came out.

Phoenix.

Cindy McCain is Parasol
 
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Kitschkraft

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worldrunover said:
You realize he wasn't even born until '36, right? He was 8 when WWII ended and probably doesn't remember the depression.
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The fact that there is a "probably" is LOL-worthy.
 
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Mermandala

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DrForester said:
Bringing back up an old topic (sure it's old). McCain's secret service code name finally came out.

Phoenix.

Cindy McCain is Parasol
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What good are code names when everybody knows them? "Is that him? Do we make our strike?" -- "Not sure sir, they seem to be talking about escorting around a mythological bird with a fancy umbrella".
 
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DrForester

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Mermandala said:
What good are code names when everybody knows them? "Is that him? Do we make our strike?" -- "Not sure sir, they seem to be talking about escorting around a mythological bird with a fancy umbrella".
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well, I the code names are they can say something faster rather than the name of the person.

Also lets say you have someone monitoring the secret service communications or something before an attack. It probably wouldn't take them to long to figure out that they keep referring to some code name at a McCain rally or something and that that's them.
 
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Stumpokapow

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birdman said:
What's McCain's favorite music? Big Band?
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I'm getting mixed messages on that one. His website says "50s and 60s music", his facebook has no info listed at all. Chicago tribune says: "Tunes on his iPod: Naval and maritime songs, a gift from the United States Merchant Marine Academy's graduating class of 2007". I'm assuming he's just not that into music. :(
 
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sangreal

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Change I can believe in
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is moving on two fronts to make transparency a linchpin of his campaign, opening his fundraisers to reporters and clamping down on the Democratic National Committee’s fundraising from Washington insiders.

The moves, announced on his second full day as the party’s de facto presidential nominee, are designed to drive a campaign message of change versus more of the same, aides said.

His likely opponent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), closes his fundraisers to the press. Beginning last night, Obama will open all of his fundraisers to at least a pool reporter, who will share the information with the rest of the press corps.

Beginning Thursday, the DNC will no longer accept checks from federal lobbyists or political action committees, mirroring the strict standard Obama adopted for his presidential campaign.

“This is an important step that shows Sen. Obama is willing to take tough steps to change the way Washington works,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the campaign’s deputy communications director.

The policy, which will not hurt fundraising appreciably, is not retroactive.
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Farmboy

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Possibly older than McCain: TIME on how Obama did it.

Barack Obama was campaigning last October in South Carolina when he got an urgent call from Penny Pritzker, the hotel heiress who leads his campaign’s finance committee. About 200 of his biggest fund raisers were meeting in Des Moines, Iowa, and among them, near panic was setting in. Pritzker’s team had raised money faster than any other campaign ever had. Its candidate was drawing mega-crowds wherever he went. Yet he was still running at least 20 points behind Hillary Clinton in polls. His above-the-fray brand of politics just wasn’t getting the job done, and some of his top moneymen were urging him to rethink his strategy, shake up his staff, go negative. You’d better get here, Pritzker told Obama. And fast.

Obama made an unscheduled appearance that Sunday night and called for a show of hands from his finance committee. “Can I see how many people in this room I told that this was going to be easy?” he asked. “If anybody signed up thinking it was going to be easy, then I didn’t make myself clear.” A win in Iowa, Obama promised, would give him the momentum he needed to win across the map — but his backers wouldn’t see much evidence of progress before then. “We’re up against the most formidable team in 25 years,” he said. “But we’ve got a plan, and we’ve got to have faith in it.”
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He's the best, mayne.
 
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Trakdown

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10871.html

Mr. Obama is announcing today that the D.N.C. will no longer accept contributions from federal lobbyists or political action committees, which follows the rules he established for his own campaign last year.
"We want the Democratic Party to conform to his standards of openness to reduce the influence of special interests," Linda Douglass, a campaign spokeswoman, told reporters today before Mr. Obama flew from New York City for a campaign stop in Virginia.
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Taking charge already.

Edit: Damn, Beaten.
 
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Mumei

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On Halperin's blog, regarding Clinton's female House supporters pushing for her to be VP:

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I dislike Tubbs more every time I see her.
 
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Mermandala

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DrForester said:
well, I the code names are they can say something faster rather than the name of the person.

Also lets say you have someone monitoring the secret service communications or something before an attack. It probably wouldn't take them to long to figure out that they keep referring to some code name at a McCain rally or something and that that's them.
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You know, it probably also serves as a psychological distancing from whom they are assigned to protect, depersonalize them to fully concentrate on the task at hand without any personal distractions.
 
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sangreal

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From Wikipedia:
According to established protocol, 'good' codewords are unambiguous words that can be easily pronounced and readily understood by those who transmit and receive voice messages by radio or telephone regardless of their native language.
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BenjaminBirdie

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Farmboy said:
Possibly older than McCain: TIME on how Obama did it.



He's the best, mayne.
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SUCH a great article.

I love this:

Meanwhile, Obama's Chicago headquarters made technology its running mate from the start. That wasn't just for fund-raising: in state after state, the campaign turned over its voter lists — normally a closely guarded crown jewel — to volunteers, who used their own laptops and the unlimited night and weekend minutes of their cell-phone plans to contact every name and populate a political organization from the ground up. "The tools were there, and they built it," says Joe Trippi, who ran Howard Dean's 2004 campaign. "In a lot of ways, the Dean campaign was like the Wright brothers. Four years later, we're watching the Apollo project."
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It brings home the idea that just because someone might not have mouths to feed or be a "working class blue collar" type of American doesn't mean they're not in dire straights right now. I know such is the case for me. Not every "young voter" listens to Good Charlotte and skateboards to work every day. Most are facing the exact same problems as this supposed "Hillary Base" of the working class.
 
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Mermandala

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Stumpokapow said:
I'm getting mixed messages on that one. His website says "50s and 60s music", his facebook has no info listed at all. Chicago tribune says: "Tunes on his iPod: Naval and maritime songs, a gift from the United States Merchant Marine Academy's graduating class of 2007". I'm assuming he's just not that into music. :(
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Cool. So, McCain is into The Decemberists and British Sea Power. indie maverick.
 
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Triumph

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Mumei said:
On Halperin's blog, regarding Clinton's female House supporters pushing for her to be VP:

wassermtubbs.jpg


augh

I dislike Tubbs more every time I see her.
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Wasserman-Schultz is in a safe district, but if I were Tubbs-Jones I would shut the fuck up lest she get beaten by a pro-Obama candidate in the primary for her district, which is probably 70% African-American.
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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How does "no other woman but Hillary for VP" work for feminists?

Apparently it would be an insult to Hillary?

I don't get why women would feel like this. It only makes a female on the ticket a truly impossible dream.
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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sangreal said:
Change I can believe in
Beginning Thursday, the DNC will no longer accept checks from federal lobbyists or political action committees, mirroring the strict standard Obama adopted for his presidential campaign.

“This is an important step that shows Sen. Obama is willing to take tough steps to change the way Washington works,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the campaign’s deputy communications director.
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Wow, President Obama is wasting no time is he?
 
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cjdunn

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sangreal said:
Change I can believe in
Beginning Thursday, the DNC will no longer accept checks from federal lobbyists or political action committees, mirroring the strict standard Obama adopted for his presidential campaign.
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/10871.html
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Man this is huge. Establishment Dems just got a wakeup call.

John Edwards from August '07:
We cannot replace a group of corporate Republicans with a group of corporate Democrats, just swapping the Washington insiders of one party for the Washington insiders of the other.

The American people deserve to know that their presidency is not for sale, the Lincoln Bedroom is not for rent, and lobbyist money can no longer influence policy in the House or the Senate.

It's time to end the game. It's time to tell the big corporations and the lobbyists who have been running things for too long that their time is over. It's time to challenge politicians to put the American people's interests ahead of their own calculated political interests, to look the lobbyists in the eye and just say no.
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Obama's Democratic Party got a great start.
 
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Deus Ex Machina

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Hitokage said:
Stop insulting non-crazy feminists please. ;)
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Those that say it would be an insult to Hillary prove that they are not about the equal rights for all or concerned about the party - they only care about Hillary.

I also don't believe that this is a widespread feeling.
 
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Kaeru

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cjdunn said:
Man this is huge. Establishment Dems just got a wakeup call.

John Edwards from August '07:


Obama's Democratic Party got a great start.
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Jesus Obama, be careful.
You saw what they did to Russel Crowe in The Insider.
 
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Tamanon

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Considering the massive amount of lobbyist cash that Fowler brought in during his time, I wouldn't be surprised if there's some pushback.
 
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