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Politico: Inside the bitter last days of Bernie's revolution

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Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

Given that a whole bunch of posters here aren't white, I don't see what difference a Sanders presidency would make.
 
Read the whole thing. I am glad more people are speaking on the fact that he will go until the end in case Clinton gets indicted. It's ad that things are currently turning they way they are, but if it is to be over, I will wait for that call. Until then, he needs to stay strong, specially in the face of a possible Clinton indictment. Still seemed biased, but at last they through that out there.


There is no "were" for the true Sanders support and voter, because it's not over just yet. DC vote hasn't happened, neither had the DNC.

He's going to get creamed in DC but you know this.
 

Zornack

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Why are Bernie's demands so delusional? Boot off Barney Frank, a long term respected Democrat, from the rules committee. Fire DWS and replace her with Gabbard, who suddenly resigned from the DNC halfway through the primaries.

These are completely unrealistic demands, not to mention incredibly petty.
 

DietRob

i've been begging for over 5 years.
He's an even more petty and bitter old man than I could have possibly imagined. I mean I've heard how awful he is as a peer in DC but some of this stuff is just so fucking pathetic. I know it's next to impossible in Vermont but I hope he gets voted out of his senate seat.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

This has actually been extremely tame cycle on the Dem side, except for Sanders wanting to stay in despite having no justification on why he should have the nomination. Clinton didn't just squeak by, she handily has gotten him in popular vote and delegates. Unfair how?

I'm not going to tease you or imply anything. I don't even want to change your mind, think whatever you want. But I'm really curious what was so unfair about any of this, especially in comparison to 2008, 2004, 2000 and beyond.
 

Oppo

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You know that's not happening.

yes, and despite throwing this horseshoe into every damn election thread, he will go "oh" when it happens and find the next contrarian bomb that gets attention.

Josh Marshall called this one a few weeks out. Bernie got Election Madness. sad.

i can't help but notice this weird rump party behaviour where you've got libs acting like conservatives usually do; i.e. voting emotionally
 
Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

By tomorrow you'll get over this. It just is what it is.

yes, and despite throwing this horseshoe into every damn election thread, he will go "oh" when it happens and find the next contrarian bomb that gets attention.

Josh Marshall called this one a few weeks out. Bernie got Election Madness. sad.

I don't believe that will happen.
 

Cipherr

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Spreading now.

This is the reality of waging a bitter campaign the way Bernie did. It doesn't result in some long lived legacy that "Begins here" and shoots off into the stratosphere becoming some fairy tale. It ends with you losing, your staff throwing you under the bus while the other 90% of Liberals post "YAAAS" 10k times per second in chatrooms and message boards everywhere.

He had his chance to exit gracefully and he didn't take it.

Ezra Klein suspects the on-the-record quotes are people trying to salvage future jobs w/ dem candidates..

Almost certainly. Their fault to begin with though for jumping aboard that ship. They knew he had just registered as a Dem for the benefits. I don't really feel for them at all. They got what they signed up for.
 

kirblar

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Why are Bernie's demands so delusional? Boot off Barney Frank, a long term respected Democrat, from the rules committee. Fire DWS and replace her with Gabbard, who suddenly resigned from the DNC halfway through the primaries.

These are completely unrealistic demands, not to mention incredibly petty.
Because he's the mouse who wants a cookie.

You cannot win playing his game.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Ezra Klein suspects the on-the-record quotes are people trying to salvage future jobs w/ dem candidates..

He's never going to win the game, because he's incapable of learning how to win.

So this is Dan and Amy throwing Jonah under the bus to save their jobs? But real life.

I know enough people in DC to believe it.
 

Nuu

Banned
Spreading now.

This is the reality of waging a bitter campaign the way Bernie did. It doesn't result in some long lived legacy that "Begins here" and shoots off into the stratosphere becoming some fairy tale. It ends with you losing, your staff throwing you under the bus while the other 90% of Liberals post "YAAAS" 10k times per second in chatrooms and message boards everywhere.

He had his chance to exit gracefully and he didn't take it.

Please. This is only the beginning of the rise of the left wing in America.
 

blackw0lf

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Ezra says this sounds like a bunch of dems who still need to work in the party and trying to cover their ass.

In other words take with a grain of skepticism
 
Spreading now.

This is the reality of waging a bitter campaign the way Bernie did. It doesn't result in some long lived legacy that "Begins here" and shoots off into the stratosphere becoming some fairy tale. It ends with you losing, your staff throwing you under the bus while the other 90% of Liberals post "YAAAS" 10k times per second in chatrooms and message boards everywhere.

He had his chance to exit gracefully and he didn't take it.



Almost certainly. Their fault to begin with though for jumping aboard that ship. They knew he had just registered as a Dem for the benefits. I don't really feel for them at all. They got what they signed up for.

It's worth being sympathetic here. No campaign looks good in its dying days, and the end of a long, exhausting primary will leave any candidate angry, emotional, and focused on slights and thin reeds of hope. My guess is the Sanders who ultimately ends this campaign will prove much more circumspect than the Sanders who appears in this article. Even so, the Sanders who appears in this article seems to be unnerving even his top aides, and any campaign that leaked this much to Politico is not in a functional place.

I think Ezra had a much better perspective on this article than some of the folks here who are taking it as 100% gospel.
 
Um, treating him like a nobody and a joke the entire way? Ignoring anything positive for him while constantly going out of the way to make Hillary look more favorable. Giving him shit while letting Hillary ride on a cloud to the general. And he still came close, which leaves no doubt in my mind if it was a fair race he would have won. Not that well ever know.

Very similar situation with Trump at least on the establishments end. Different canidates with different results of course.

Dude flat out gave up on the South.

Ooops.
 
I thought he built bridges, though?

People are finally learning he was always a politician no matter how he tried to spin it and a shitty one at that.
 

pgtl_10

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Uh, no. Until the last two months when his campaign was melting down before everyone's eyes, he was getting kid-gloved by EVERYONE.

Dems didn't want to have to attack him from the right and blow him up for the socialist/communist stuff.

The GOP didn't want to attack him because they wanted him to win.

And the media wanted him in so they'd have a horse race narrative.

I never thought he was kid gloved. The NY TIMES early on endorsed Hillary. Vox was pretty anti-Bernie. I know this board loves Hillary but I never thought Bernie was kid gloved.

It was more like the media never took Bernie seriously until he started winning. The media then started attacking Bernie's positions that I feel the media would normally support like healthcare.

I feel the media though of Bernie as the crazy old kook who Hillary would beat handily early on.
 

GutsOfThor

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...but it does prove pretty definitively that the man was NOT presidential material. I appreciate that I think he's basically right on what are the main issues gnawing away at America, but he was politically clueless and had no good policies for actually dealing with the problems he identified, only vague platitudes. Sad!

My feelings exactly. The right message but the wrong messenger.
 
Im not debating she won. But only the blind can claim it a fair victory.

And to whoever it applies to: Go ahead and post gifs to imply my foolishness or bitterness with no subtance to back it. Enjoy your president that doesnt care about you.

I could literally make this case for almost any politician you've ever liked.
I'll scroll to their wikipedia page, look for the controversies section, look up their donors, and then proceed to tell you that your candidate doesn't care about you.
 
That's regarding the Nevada drama, which yes was a total disaster. The other parts with unaccounted "aides" and staffers read like pure National Enquirer gossip.


Nathaniel Meyersohn said:
If you need anymore proof that Bernie Sanders's campaign was an organizational garbage fire:

Meyersohn was on Sanders' communication team in SC and is publically supporting the Politico story, so clearly some of his staffers agree with it.

https://twitter.com/nmeyersohn
 
I never thought he was kid gloved. The NY TIMES early on endorsed Hillary. Vox was pretty anti-Bernie. I know this board loves Hillary but I never thought Bernie was kid gloved.

It was more like the media never took Bernie seriously until he started winning. The media then started attacking Bernie's positions that I feel the media would normally support like healthcare.

I feel the media though of Bernie as the crazy old kook who Hillary would beat handily early on.
There's tons and tons of dirt on Bernie the media could easily bring up, but literally never even tried to
 

kirblar

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I never thought he was kid gloved. The NY TIMES early on endorsed Hillary. Vox was pretty anti-Bernie. I know this board loves Hillary but I never thought Bernie was kid gloved.

It was more like the media never took Bernie seriously until he started winning. The media then started attacking Bernie's positions that I feel the media would normally support like healthcare.

I feel the media though of Bernie as the crazy old kook who Hillary would beat handily early on.
Vox is anti-Bernie because Vox is technocratic, and Bernie is an ideologue.

"The Media" to most people is CNN/NBC/etc, and they never went in on him. The technocrat wing of the party did.
 
My feelings exactly. The right message but the wrong messenger.

This was me. I was for him when all I knew was his ideas, then the data theft, then PP, PP was the turning point for me, and I started to see just how not good a candidate he is, and it only got more obvious.
 

GutsOfThor

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So it looks like Bernie is delayed due to this exact article?

@justinsink
ok i guess go read the @IsaacDovere & @gdebenedetti story but not linking to it bc i suspect it's why Sanders is now so late
 
I never thought he was kid gloved. The NY TIMES early on endorsed Hillary. Vox was pretty anti-Bernie. I know this board loves Hillary but I never thought Bernie was kid gloved.

It was more like the media never took Bernie seriously until he started winning. The media then started attacking Bernie's positions that I feel the media would normally support like healthcare.

I feel the media though of Bernie as the crazy old kook who Hillary would beat handily early on.

There have been literally $0 spent on negative ads against Sanders and he still couldn't get the nomination. Republicans wanted him to win so they ignored him and Clinton couldn't go hard against him for fear of alienating his voters. Bernie has had the softest coverage of any candidate this cycle.
 

kirblar

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Like Ezra said, the reason this article leaked in the first place is that aides and team members would want to blame everything on Bernie. They threw him under the bus
just like Planned Parenthood and The Establishment
Don't forget HIV/AIDS activists!
 
Ezra says this sounds like a bunch of dems who still need to work in the party and trying to cover their ass.

In other words take with a grain of skepticism

Yeah, reading it, and with the timing in mind, it certainly reads like a hit job, and while I don't doubt that Bernie probably is salty as fuck over being rejected for a candidate he likely views as compromised and inferior, I doubt he's quite as bad as this article indicates.
 
Also it shouldn't be a surprise that some of his former campaign employees speak out, especially in states he lost, he rarely if ever publicly thanked anyone be it staff or supporters in states he lost.
 
The bigger picture here tho, is that if Bernie can get this upset during the primary, I can't imagine how he'll feel when he's POTUS. "Don't get on my bad side, or else!" would probably be the worst attitude to embody in that position, especially when you'd be very limited in what you can pull off with the current congress.

All that being said though, Bernie is still right in how the whole political process needs to be redone, but the path to doing it is long and probably won't happen until we secure the empty SCOTUS seat.
 
PP + John Lewis. John F'ing Lewis, man.

Yep, and god by the time Nevada rolled around and that AIDS thing, christ did it feel like I was way ahead of the game as people started to come around.

I'm honestly glad I got away from him before getting sucked in. I want someone to represent progressive values who won't be a risk of setting them back by doing it poorly.
 
And all that coverage was negative, which was my point.

No this is bullshit revisionist history. Bernie Sander has been given the equivalent of a free political ride throughout this primary. Hillary has been treating him with kid gloves this entire time and the Republicans have actually been positive towards him in hope that he can damage Hillary.

Bernie Sander has has every conceivable advantage given to him and he still decided to run a fucking horrible campaign. He lost decisively and now we know just how much of a piece of shit he really is behind the curtain,
 
Y'know what's damned absurd?

Bernie has been plenty critical of Hillary, and a lot of that is admittedly pushing her to the left (and sure, he could have been a lot more critical)

And yet Bernie's campaign is upset that they criticized his right-wing view on gun control?
 

Cipherr

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Quickly penciling in a few extra lines in the CA speech to call his campaign workers untrustworthy tools of the establishment.

I think Ezra had a much better perspective on this article than some of the folks here who are taking it as 100% gospel.


I've been in savage mode on Bernie for a while now. He gets no sympathy from me. Im done with him.
 
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